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Quote: Most Blu-rays run at 23.976 fps, UK uses 24 fps and are region "B".
There is the odd one that is 24 fps and is region "A" eg "The Christmas Candle" (converted for North America, but left at 24 fps)

If Power DVD (what ever version) reports 23, it's actually 23.976 fps, there is no such thing as 23 fps.

Just like my NVIDIA control reports either 23 or 24, also 30, 60 and 59 fps (59.94 fps).
It reports this and gives these choices because that is what my projector can deal with.

Most displays are capable of accepting 23.976 and 24 fps, if they can't, then 3/2 pull down is used so they can be played back at 30 and/or 60 fps.

Frame judder occurs from a bad 3/2 pull down process. (not realy frame judder, but jerky and not smooth)

It's also a natural occurrence from too low a frame rate used and it's very noticeable when the camera pans.
The industry could go to 48 fps, but everyone would complain that it's too smooth and unnatural looking.

As you know Power DVD has an auto frame rate detection and this pop up tells you that your frame rate doesn't match your display, would you like to change it.

IMO, this function is not very good and I don't use it, tick the box not to show this again and close it off. It tells me this even though I know for a fact that my frame rate in te NVIDIA control panel is correct for the Blu-ray.
Most Blu-rays run at 23.976 fps, UK uses 24 fps and are region "B".
There is the odd one that is 24 fps and is region "A" eg "The Christmas Candle" (converted for North America, but left at 24 fps)

If Power DVD (what ever version) reports 23, it's actually 23.976 fps, there is no such thing as 23 fps.

Just like my NVIDIA control reports either 23 or 24, also 30, 60 and 59 fps (59.94 fps).
It reports this and gives these choices because that is what my projector can deal with.

Most displays are capable of accepting 23.976 and 24 fps, if they can't, then 3/2 pull down is used so they can be played back at 30 and/or 60 fps.

Frame judder occurs from a bad 3/2 pull down process.

It's also a natural occurrence from too low a frame rate used and it's very noticeable when the camera pans.
The industry could go to 48 fps, but everyone would complain that it's too smooth and unnatural looking.

As you know Power DVD has an auto frame rate detection and this pop up tells you that your frame rate doesn't match your display, would you like to change it.

IMO, this function is not very good and I don't use it, tick the box not to show this again and close it off. It tells me this even though I know for a fact that my frame rate in te NVIDIA control panel is correct for the Blu-ray.

By disabling the auto frame rate function in Power DVD the 3/2 pull down process is totaly done by the video card on your PC and it should be much better
You can always run the trial first, but it will play region free Blu-rays when set to region one _ or any region.
Yes.
There is also the Philips BDP7501/F7 and the Panasonic DMP-UB900.
Get your money back if you can.
With the release of Power DVD 16 there should not have been an option to purchase Power DVD15 _ at least not from Cyberlink.
Something sounds very odd here.
I'm going to say it's not a pull down issue.
I'm still running version 14, but I think it's pretty much the same. Click on the "Gear" icon and go to general settings.
Scroll to the bottom and there should be an option there to reset "Never ask again" dialogs.

I'm more familiar with Blu-rays and I have my cards refresh rate set to 23.976 refresh rate and even with this setting I can get Cyberlink asking me to match the refresh rate of the disc even though I know it's correct, so I just close it and ignore it.

Most Blu-rays are filmed at 23.976 fps with the odd one at 24 fps, most of those are out of the UK, but some are imported into the North Amaerican continant, are changed to region "A" , but are still 24 fps. An example of this is "The Christmas Candle".

With a DVD, a refresh rate can be 60, 59.94, 30 or 29.976 fps.
Try these different refresh rates until stutter stops.
Start with 30 Hz in your Irises control panel.

I don't what refresh rates your Samsung monitor supports, but the various refresh settings will show up in the control panel if they are available.
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Quote: There was a report over at AVS forum of someone trying to use PowerDVD 15 with a LG W16NS40 BDXL drive (SVC code NS50, a drive with the same model number and the old code of NS40 does not work)
Power DVD 15 would see the title, but nothing would happen when the play button was pressed.

I suspect the problem is that DVD 15 is not AACS 2.0 enabled, even if it has all the correct codecs and capabilities to play the new UHD Blu-ray's.



@stevek

What article, was the link removed ?




Well, i upgraded to the new Cyberlink PowerDVD 16 Ultra and...

No 4K UHD Blu-Ray disc support! It seems that currently it's not AACS 2.0 enabled, so, it can't play those new discs. Why? It seems that the BluRay consortium it to blame at this time... IF it's true!

I'm VERY disapointed ... I always thought the new version 16 would support the new 4K UHD Blu-Ray discs. Will have to buy the player, no other way to play it on any PC.

Best regards,

HR_Muadib



I just bought a Samsung SE-506CB/RSWD and updated the firmware to TS02. I intended to use that with the laptop to play the new 4K / UHD XL Blu-Ray films that launched recently.

As a Cyberlink gold customer I spoke to product support today on the USA number and asked them if PowerDVD Ultra 15 supported the new 4K Blu-Rays....

They said it supports 4K video but NOT 4K Blu-Rays.

OK. Fair enough, but they also said (and I got him to double check this) that PowerDVD Ultra 16 DOES SUPPORT 4K Blu-Rays.

Now I read here that it doesn't!!!!

WTH? I'm confused and miffed big time.

Any feedback welcome.

Like buying an Nvidia Shield TV Box and Sideloading Kodi / VLC Player...
That box is HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 ect...


I couldn't find any info on that drive and its firmware update _ does the update say somewhere that it will enable the drive to read UHD Blu-ray's ?

Can you see the files on the disc in Windows from an UHD Blu-ray ?

If you can't, then no matter what software you have, it won't play anything to do with UHD Blu-ray's.
Quote: Hi Jeff R 1

That is why I am asking. The release date of UHD Blu-ray disc drive is 2017. So at the moment, there is no drive on the market, that supports UHD Blu-ray disc's playback.

Best regards
Hicham


You're the first person to ever mention a release date of an UHD-Blu-ray drive.

Where are you getting your info. from, LG ?

If not LG, then where and from whom ?

And Apparently even though those drives that I mentioned can see the files on the disc, the drives themselves have no AACS 2.0 authentication _ and that's the problem.

I would have simply gone out blew the 600.00 Canadian dollars on the Samsung player, but UHD Blu-ray is still filmed at 24 fps.

The frame judder from that destroys any gains in resolution, sharpness and clarity. So at this point the only way to deal with that is with your program and AMD's Smooth Motion video _ assumimg that's going to be appied to UHD Blu-ray in Power DVD.

The only 4K projector that can do frame interpolation at 2160p is the Sony 5000es, but at 60,000.00 dollars, it's out of my price range, and even if I did have that money, I would not spend that much on a projector.
Quote: Hello Muadib,

Can you give me the name and reference of your PC blu-ray drive UHD?

Best regards
Hicham


I don't know what happened to the OP, so I'll answer.

There appears to be 3 drives that can read the files on an UHD Blu-ray disc (66GB) and they are all from LG.

WH16NS40 with a service code of NS50

and two Eupean models, WH16NS50 and WH16NS55.

I have the WH16NS40-SVC NS50.
The 980ti doesn't natively support HEVC/H.265 decoding.
See post #67
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/845270/geforce-900-series/gpus-with-hdcp-2-2-support/post/4679550/#4679550

You're also going to run into problems when it come UHD Blu-rays and HDCP 2.2.
The only NVIDIA cards that support that are 950/960.
They have the GM206 GPU in them.

You GTX 980ti will work OK with unprotected 4K content, but not protected.
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Quote: The review for powerdvd 16 on cnet said....

" a CyberLink representative confirmed to me that the software will support 4K Blu-ray once PC hardware becomes available (and the Blu-ray Disc Association releases a PC-based standard)."



And that's the problem, there are no drives with AACS 2.0 authentication yet.


Also very few graphics cards that support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2


That's about to change with Pascal and Polaris.
I've submitted many support tickets over the years, it can take a few days or even a week or more depending on what you asked them.
Quote: The review for powerdvd 16 on cnet said....

" a CyberLink representative confirmed to me that the software will support 4K Blu-ray once PC hardware becomes available (and the Blu-ray Disc Association releases a PC-based standard)."



And that's the problem, there are no drives with AACS 2.0 authentication yet.

Where did this Cyberlink representative confirm that the software will support 4K Blu-ray; in a support ticket answer ?

A review on cnet ??? Who ever reviewed that, I think jumped the gun or the Cyberlink rep sure did.

Post a link to that review, my support ticket is still open, so I will confront Cyberlink with it.

I asked them too and I didn't get any answer like that _ the just said "we're wrking on it"... more or less...
Quote: As stated above there already are drives that can read the information on UHD disks. It's more of a question of firmware and software at this point. Since CyberLink is one of the very few if not the only company still selling software Blu-Ray players, it's pretty much in their hands to drive for it.

Note Cyberlink has been a member of the Ultra-HD Blu Ray Development Group since October of 2015.


And that's the question, will a simple soft/firm-ware update autenticate these drives that can see the files of a UHD Blu-ray, with AACS 2.0 ???
Here's a bunch of OEM Cyberlink stuff branded as "Media Smart"
There is also an older version of Power DVD, but it is kept up to date as far as I know.
It should all install on your HP machine.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/popular-hp-notebook-software.519991/
AMD is coming out with Polaris too, looks impressive _ HDMI 2.0a and DP 1.3 _ doesn't say HDCP 2.2, but that's a given as it's one of the specs for DP 1.3.

http://wccftech.com/amd-unveils-polaris-11-10-gpu/

With this and Cyberlink there should be AMD Smooth Motion at 2160p
The GTX 950/960 are already capable of running UHD and are HDCP 2.2 enabled.
The Pascals are just around the corner with more guts and DP 1.3.
I think some time in April.
Quote: Jeff the real benefit is not so much the 4K resolution, it is the 10 bit colour space with HDR and true life colours. The difference there is truly night and day but you need the gear for it. As it stands PowerDVD has no support for 10 bit GPU accelerated content in 4K for either VP9 or HEVC. You need to be using madVR configured right, with nightly builds of ffmpeg based lav filters. Then I found on my GTX 960 atleast that VP9 and HEVC in high bit colour was GPU accelerated.


I'm not that sensitive to things like colour and HDR, I have to have side X side comparisons to see the difference with those things, but what I am sensitive to is resolution and motion.

However even with the higher resolution, it was a barely noticable improvement, especially on just the upconverted 2K UHD discs.

The other disasterous thing is that they are not using HFR (at this point).

I'm even more sensitive to 24 fps judder. I can solve this with Cyberlink and AMD's smooth motion (mote waiting there for an AMD card enabled with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2)

Or MPC-HC and the proper output filters, including a computer based FI program like SVP or DmitriRender.

And even more waiting there, if that is even going to happen, but would not require HDCP 2.2.

Sigh....
Mike, see this thread, I started you at post 65, Dougindy was the first to report that a BDXL drive can see the files on a UHD disc.
I also asked LG about this, and have received no answer, I tapped them on the shoulder and was told to be patient _ it's been a good couple of weeks now.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2293498-uhd-blu-ray-disc-bdxl-drive-test-request-3.html#post41583457
You're not missing much, I got so impatient I went and blew the almost 700.00$ bucks here in Canada for a Samsung UBD-K8500. I use my HTPC, MPC-HC, MadVR and a Sony 300ES 4K projector.
I could not see any real difference with "X-Men, The Days of Future Past". With "Chappie" (which was drawn from a 4K master) I noticed that the trees and the beginning of scene 3 were sharper _ the 1080p Blu-ray with my HTPC was not as sharp _ almost 720p resolution, that was just with the trees though, everything else appeared just as clear and sharp as the 2160p Blu-ray as with the 1080p version.
No difference with the "Peanuts Movie" either. If you have HDR and a display that can make use of the wider colour pallet, then apparently that is more noticeable, but I have been told that these early UHD releases are still using REC.709 colour space, like the old Blu-rays.
I'm returning the Samsung player.

If and or when Cyberlink does release a version that will play UHD discs, I will buy it, mainly because I can buy an AMD video card and use its Smooth Motion feature _ my 300es doesn't have it's Smoothe Motion function at 2160p.

And the other problem with that is AMD has no video card (yet ???) that is HDCP 2.2 enabled or an HDMI port that is HDMI 2.0 enabled.

There was so much frame judder on X-Men, it pretty much spoiled the movie for me.
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