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UHD discs have three layers on one side and will need new burning laser and firmware for the task.
Only commercial UHD 4K disc use the odd 66GB. However, several UHD Bluray burners already support dual, triple and quadruple layer burning (25, 50, 100, 128GB).
I've read several other forums on this subject and most posters appear to be hung up on the idea of the 'commercial' standard. Consumer software has never been able to produce 'commercial' quality or most of the 'commercial' standards.
If PD16 could just create a regular Bluray structure and menu, but encode the file to 4K (AVC or HEVC), the disc would probably play in any 4k player. Personlly, I could care less HOW the disc was create as long it played with the menu.
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I have tried that, using TsMuxer, it creates the structure as BR but the video is 4K. The Samsung 8500 does not recognize it but it plays fine on the pc with Media Player Classisc and VLC including menus.
The file structures of a commercial 4K and HD BR are exactly the same except for their content of course. The 4K and the HD version have both the exact same files:
AACS
BDMV
CERTIFICATE
Below is contend of BDMV:
AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM
Indexbdmv
MovieObject.bdmv
But the content on some must differ from UHD and HD, and perhaps that is all that needs to be altered by CL. Their 4K HEVC is playing fine on the 8500 and is looking great, that part is the most complex and difficult, yet was already done years ago.
The disc is ROCKY MOUNTAIN EXPRESS filmed in IMAX and true blue 4K and is reported to be one of the best UHD experiences. And who can resist the impact of a steam engine with the sound turned up !!!
It has a 25GB HD and 50GB UHD version in the same box. Both discs are 95% full, so here, to obtain spectacular UHD, the storage capacity is only doubled.
An other outstanding one I like is BBC PLANET EARTH II reported to be downconverted from 5K original video.
The sad fact is that perhaps 75% of UHD discs are hardly better looking than their HD versions because they did not originate in 4K.
I have hours of 4K video of our vacations captured by the Sony FDR AX100, still the standard as far as PQ is concerned and I like to play that in the UHD standard w/o resorting to tricks.
As mentioned in my last post, anyone who can edit stutter free HD should be able to do so in UHD using shadow files. No new BR optical drive needed.
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Hello,
I never said that the burner does the authoring, not sure how you got that. What I did say is that it takes an incredible amount of processing and drive power to author a disc and new drives were needed in the past with the new technology. UHD is a new technology that requires a new drive, processor and motherboard to play, so expecting the Blu-ray burning laser to work burning should not be expected.
UHD discs have three layers on one side and will need new burning laser and firmware for the task. If it is possible to provide UHD BD burning, from what I have learned about CL is they usually want to be the first. I would not expect it as a simple search will tell you that there are no UHD burners out there yet. I guess we'll find out next month for sure though.
Dave
It does not take " incredible processing and drive power" , my previous now 8 year old pc did it just fine, for UHD you simply need more time since there is more data. And the burning time is limited by the disc and that has not changed much over the last 3 years or more. The main reason I got a new optical drive was to accomodate the new BDXL format.
My first experience with UHD was in March 2014, I was able to edit 4K using PD12 ? and burn to BR as a file and play pack w/o problems on an i7 in 4K using a $60 GPU. Changing that to a $180 GTX960 made a huge improvement in rendering time and allowed pb at 60 fps. rather than 30.
For UHD you do not need to burn 3 layers, 66GB discs are available pressed only, you can only buy 3 layer 100GB blancs.
Using HEVC a 2 layer 50GB disc can give us 2 hours, and 50GB blancs are a UHD standard. I have some commercial UHD 50 GB disc videos.
I too hope that CL will want to be the first, they had a whole year to cook this up.
So UHD is no big deal, same bunch of numbers only at a faster rate, assuming you have a good GPU, the CPU is not that critical any more for video editing.
I think that PCs that can do HD w/o stutter will be just fine with UHD as long as shadow files are used.
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New versions arrived mid Sept. in the past. So an other 2-3 weeks
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Eugene,
Your question is asking whether there will be Ultra HD Blu-ray authoring, i.e. you can burn 4K video to a disc that plays in a UHD Blu-ray standalone player. The key word is "authoring". This is what the King was referrring to, and there is no drive that can do this yet. Just like DVD burners could not burn Blu-ray Discs (or like my Blu-ray drive that can burn DVDs, but not Blu-rays) this is a new technology that will need a new type of hardware. It is NOT all on the software side.
What you are currently doing is burning a 4K video file to a Blu-ray disc, which is a data disc. The video file is playable as you said with any software video player that can play the video file, but is not the same quality disc as an Ultra HD Blu-ray. Similar to the difference between an audio CD and an MP3 data disc.
Authoring a disc and burning a video file to a data disc are different. The file structures on the disc are different. Burning a data disc is essentially like copying a file on a hard drive disk.
PowerDirector doesn't burn data discs (which I am sure you know), it authors Blu-rays or DVDs in the "spec format" for playback on supported players that have the official DVD or Blu-ray logos.
Dave
Dave,
for your information, optical disc drives do not author, all they can do is read a data stream or burn a data stream. Just a bunch of numbers, that is all.
They need external software to tell them what to do and need external software to process the data stream they provide, like in a VLC LAN or Pot video player. Or Roxy or Nero burning software or PD15. They can only stream or burn, no data processing. Just like a hard drive.
That is what I am after in PD16, to burn the proper file tree to enable menus, chapters etc. The 4 K 265 HEVC video files produced by PD14 are perfectly adequate and are recognized by most desk top UHD players or 4K TVs. And the PD14 265 HEVC encoder has excellent video quality and renders 4K on my pc at about 3X real time.
So, for us to be able to play our own 4K material properly, the desk top or pc optical drive has to be told what to do and what file to stream by instructions burned onto the disc. As simple as that. As PD14 does now for the BR HD format.
And I believe that even a 3 year old LG BR optical drive will do just fine burning UHD 25/50 GB compatible dics. 66GB discs are not for sale, pressed only, and 100GB makes no sense because of cost.
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Yeah...there isn't even a UHD Blu-ray burning drive yet for sale yet that I can see, so I wouldn't expect the 4K burning software to be first.
Not true.
25 and 50 GB discs are part of the spec. I have some commercial UHD discs that are 50 GB.
So any old BR burner that can handle those will do UHD.
I have a LG burner that will read my commercial UHD discs and will stream the data just fine,including pressed 66GB discs but it is of course encrypted, so no picture.
My old 3 year old LG does the same but of course no playback of pressed 66 or 100 GB discs.
CL knows all about UHD since DVD16, burning UHD is just a matter of telling the UHD player what file to play and were it is. I am talking about 4K home videos, no encryption.
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Is any 4K BR burning software around that is reasonably priced?? PD16 ??
Gene
I have just bought a 4K TV LG 55UH950V.
I have with CyberLink Power2Go 11 burnt
all my 4K Video file to a DVD & BLU-RAY media as backup.
From the above media transfer the 4K Videos to a USB 2 flash stick.
When I connect this USB drive to the 4K TV
I get a Menu for each Video file, so the need to
wait for UHD 4K Authoring Software & Hardware
is not important for me any more.
Best regards
I understand what you are doing and I have done the same. But I rather have the video on an 80 cent BD disc in UHD BR than on a USB drive that costs 10X more.
At the moment I burn my 4K material to BR 25GB as a 265 file and it plays fine on the Samsung 8500 and my pc. And just burning it in 4K onto a 4.7 GB DVD works too on the 8500.
We are app 2-3 weeks away from PD16, hopefully that version will take care of the problem.
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Hallo zusammen,
es wäre sehr hilfreich,
- wenn in Magic Motion für die bewegten Bilder weiche Ein- und Ausblendungen (ease in / out) einfügen könnte
- wenn ich hinter dem Filmmarker alle Objekte mit einem Klick markieren könnte
- wenn ich im Titeldesigner die Hintergründe von Titelvorlagen einfach bearbeiten könnte
Freundliche Grüße
Klaus
Es waere ja schoen 4K UHD brennen zu koennen
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Thank you Carl for posting these items. I replied to Jargon some time ago and had no reply since I identified myself as a hobbyist, did not want to waste their time.But I tried it again today.
As to Nero, there are a number of reports that it does not burn the complete UHDBR standard yet. As you pointed out there is nothing in our price bracket yet. I pin my hopes on PD16 but that is at least 4 month away. All it takes is something along the lines of TsMuxer, just to instruct the 4K BR player what to do.
My UHD player is a Samsung 8500, got it for @220 at CC and it will play PD14 4K HEVC, but as a file only, no menus or chapters etc. Basically what Nero and PD14 and most others can do now.
Some of these outfits could make some money by selling a barebones version, like TsMuxer but too much trouble I assume.But would be hacked and copied in no time, so why bother.
Odd, considering that most new mid range camcorders, point and shoot and cell phones have 4K recording ability.
Thanks again
Eugene
Well,Cyberlink is advertising "Final Sale" for PD15, so maybe PD16 is around the corner with 4K UHD burning capability!
Sadly I was the only one in the "New features for the next PD version" thread that asked for this feature.
Carl, you felt it was too early for 4K, but here in the stores like BB and CC only 4K UHD TVs are available if you want anything over 55". And the availability of HD TVs in less than 55" is disappearing fast.
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I use that device to record HD component RGB from a cable tuner, then import the video file into PD14 and edit. Works well in HD.
After typing the above I looked in PD and it does not show here either. But no big deal
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The ability to burn Blu RayUHD, PLEASE
Hope it will be in V16, in September. Would be a leg up on ALL of the competition. I am using V14, V15 has nothing of interest for me.Hope V16 is different. A VU meter would be nice too but not enough reason by itself to buy.
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Thank you Carl for posting these items. I replied to Jargon some time ago and had no reply since I identified myself as a hobbyist, did not want to waste their time.But I tried it again today.
As to Nero, there are a number of reports that it does not burn the complete UHDBR standard yet. As you pointed out there is nothing in our price bracket yet. I pin my hopes on PD16 but that is at least 4 month away. All it takes is something along the lines of TsMuxer, just to instruct the 4K BR player what to do.
My UHD player is a Samsung 8500, got it for @220 at CC and it will play PD14 4K HEVC, but as a file only, no menus or chapters etc. Basically what Nero and PD14 and most others can do now.
Some of these outfits could make some money by selling a barebones version, like TsMuxer but too much trouble I assume.But would be hacked and copied in no time, so why bother.
Odd, considering that most new mid range camcorders, point and shoot and cell phones have 4K recording ability.
Thanks again
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Is any 4K BR burning software around that is reasonably priced?? PD16 ??
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Hello There,
Been using PowerDirector for about 4 years now. Currently have PD 14 version. Had old LCD 21'' monitor 1080P and decided to upgrade to a 4k Monitor (Samsung 28'')
What I noticed is that my powerdirector started lagging while editing in the timeline! When I presss "Space" to freeze the frame sometimes it stops with a small delay. When I try to split 2-3 files at the same time, there is a little delay in splitting as well. Sometimes when it jumps from one to another cut clip there is lag.
NOTE: I ve never had any problems with lags and stuttering with my old monitor! I do not have any problems with other apps and programs using my 4K monitor. The problems come up when I start editing videos in Power Director.
NOTE: If I reduce the monitor resolution from 4k to 1080p then problems stop!
Looks like PowerDirector cant work properly with 4k monitors? Tried the new version of the PD and had the same issue!
PLEASE HELP, Would be much appreciated!
Krasi
MY PC CONFIG:
NVIDIA GTX 960 2GB
i7-4790K 4.0 GHz
16 GB RAM
WINDOWS 10 (latest build 15063)
Are you running at 60FPS ? I have the same card, use the HDMI output and no problem. Perhaps your pc uses the onboard GPU ?
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Ability to produce and burn UHD BR DVDs
Eugene
Sorry about posting twice. It looked like the frst post did not work
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Ability to produce and burn UHD DVDs
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Makes no sense to me.
1) I can browse my commercial UHD discs on the PC, go to BDMV then STREAM and then pick a file that contains the main video. It is the one with largest M2TS file size.
2) I can play that file, the disc is spinning and light blinking, just as if it was a DVD or BR.
3) The PC player software displays the title to be played but says "No can do"
That means to me that the correct player software, perhaps DVD17 could do it if I have the correct PC hardware.
So the reason, as I see it, that I do not have a picture is the copy protection system, NOT the optical drive.
My optical drive fills all the functions that are needet to produce a data stream that only needs to be decoded by suitable software.
And how do you know that my drive does NOT fullfill all those requirements you list ????
And remember what PANA said: "If you can browse the disk the drive is ok"
As I said, we will find out in time.
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As Pana says : Are you able to browse the contents of the disc? The rest is just a stream of 0s and 1s regardless of format. Nothing magic about UHD. The hangup is the ability of the pc video player software to decrypt it. The drive has nothing to do with that.
I bought my LG drive to be able to BURN UHD discs and the Samsung reads my 4K disk files ok.
LG supposedly makes the Pana drive, I remember reading on AVS Forum.
But patience, we will know in a few weeks for sure.
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The Details from Speccy
HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH16NS40 Media Type BD Writer Name HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH16NS40 Availability Running/Full Power Capabilities Random Access, Supports Writing, Supports Removable Media Read capabilities CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-RAM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-R DL, DVD+R DL, BD-R, BD-ROM, BD-RE Write capabilities CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-R DL, DVD+R DL, BD-R, BD-RE Config Manager Error Code Device is working properly Config Manager User Config FALSE Drive E: Media Loaded FALSE SCSI Bus 0 SCSI Logical Unit 0 SCSI Port 3 SCSI Target Id 0 Status OK
and id si working
No, "Ultra HD Blu-ray" is not on the list.
I think it is very clear that Ultra HD Blu-ray has new spec for software and hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_HD_Blu-ray
"Ultra HD Blu-ray discs are incompatible with existing Blu-ray players"
Ask LG for an official confirm or save your time to accept the fact that this drive is just a normal BD drive, but not a Ultra HD Blu-ray drive.
The BH16NS40 reads all the files on commercial 66GB and 50GB UHD disks I own just fine. I do not have any larger UHD discs. But of course cannot not decrypt them. Bought the drive in Oct 16.
On Planet UHD Earth II it shows 52GB used and files like AACS, Certificate,BDMV under the last one various files including STREAM. That in turn has about 30+ files m2ts - MPEG Video Files, including size in GB of all files
So it is a matter of not being to decryt them, even with DVD17 my 4K PC i76700 GTX960 GPU would not be able to do it.
However that disc looks fantastic on a 70" UHD TV and Samsung UHD player. I see no reason why to buy this software when the Samsung UHD player sells at Cosco for $220.00 and refurbished from Samsung for a lot less than that.
less than 1% of PC,s if that, can use this software for UHD anyway.
Eugene
Still waiting for 4K burning software. And waiting....
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Jeff, anything hapening in UHD BR burning for the likes of PD et al users?
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Speed up Shadow File creation . PD hanoman tops out at 30%, make it adjustable or better yet use full CPU capacity when there is no editing activity.
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Yes, still kicking.
PD has bee inproved since that post. I now use PD14, one of the updates doubled the speed of Shadow File creation, so while it is a pain it does make editing of 4K possible.
Eugene
thanks! i am using PD15 is using shadow files just as fast as using a coverted clip to avi and doing the swaping out?
I have used Tony's suggestion and at the time ,using PD13 ? it did save time. With PD14 I think it is a wash, being lazy plays a part too.
My pc is fairly fast so it is not an issue any more, it simply is a part of the editing process to me. Since I only use 4K there is no way around it. Using HD you may not need to use it if the pc is fast enough.
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