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Thanks for the info.
There are now... WOW.......... 4 requests for UHD video on the future feature site, WOW.
That site had 16 users, requests for some items already incorporated and 1100 viewers.
Does that show that 25% of users requested UHD..............
It closes soon, so make your wish now, or you have to wait an other year, over 300 days!!
Still puzzled by the UHD burning absence in PD15. Should have been relatively easy to implement.
Would have been a nice feature for the CL advertising department to list in the "WE HAD IT FIRST" collum.
Just editing an other video of a very recent vacation cruise, I enjoy the editing just about as much as the original. And PD14 on my PC is so stable that I cannot remember the last crash I had. And 99% of my editing is in UHD.
That does not speak well for PD16, it needing over 20+ patches only a month after its debut.
Eugene
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Well the PC is certainly fast enough to do HD w/o proxy files. Are you using them?
Eugene
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Have you enabled shadow files on PD16?Did you use them on PD14?
If not do so and wait to have them created. Little green tab lower left corner in library images.
Would be easier to help if you had the specs of your system listed near the bottom.
Eugene
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Its no news that I too am disappointed, been waiting for UHD burning, apparently nobody wants it and that is the bottom line.
From time to time I look around to see if there are greener pastures on the other side of the hill. Tried a sample download yesterday from a major brand name and had 3 crashes in 30 min, so for me PD has been for years the best software to use. PD works well, has most of the features I want and is very stable because simple editing, albeit in UHD, is all I do.
Some of the audio features are of interest so I might update yet. And like PMIKEP, after the first patch.
Andy W let us know how you like the color feature. My camera, if I pay no attention, will sometimes shift white balance. Wonder if that feature would help.
360 has me puzzled too, I watched some youtube samples and you only see less than half of the video and don't know what you are missing. Unless you have a 360 degree projector.
Even in 4K the video looks poor because the potential 8 million pixels are spread over the entire 360 degrees including top and bottom. Looks to me like an other 3D fad.
But it can be very useful in still pictures.
Tony, I am surprised that you have not asked tor UHD burning, no interest or not a viable format for hobbyists?
I wish CL would not wait a year for upgrades, but have a new version when something new is available as some competitors do.
And inlude pasting and a dictionary.
Happy editing
Eugene
Wish all those not interested in 360 would clamor for my pet pewee.. ![]()
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Nathan,
I found this German website very informative, it is in English too.
camcorder-test.slashcam.com
I do not think that you have much of a choice.
Wish they had spell check and paste!!!!
Canon XF400/405 ? 1" sensor
Eugene
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If 4K UHD Blu Ray might be in your future, even a year from now, you may want to ask for it now because of the long lead time. Sept 2018.
If your PC will do HD BR w/o problems, it will do UHD BR too, just takes longer as long as shadow files are used.
Eugene
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Looks like I am beating a dead horse, but here goes.
As I see it:
There must be 20 or more editing programs competing with PD. Justifiably, PD has consistently appeared in the top 3. That is mostly due to incorporating innovative features like 360 video in PD15, that nobody else had at the time.
I too joined PD because of these innovations, namely shadow files, something that Pinnacle did not have at the time. This in spite of a new learning curve.
PD is now a mature product, PD16 did not generate the excitement of previous versions and many of he competitors now offer the same features to edit and produce videos.
So PD increases market share by offering their product at a very competitive price rather than past major innovations like SRVT,use of GPU for rendering, proxy editing, Blu Ray and 360 just to name a few.
Those innovations caused many editors to abandon their products and join the ranks of mostly satisfied PD users.
Why not keep that tradition alive by adding UHD, nobody else has it (yet).
A major problem is that many PD users are not aware that their PC's are fast enough to create regular UHD BR discs if they are capable of editing and burning HD BR discs, without stuttering (using shadow files). The step from HD to UHD is a small one, far less than fro SD to HD. All it takes is more processing time, NOT MORE PROCESSING POWER.
Why not make it a plug in, sold as an addition, that way only users would pay. And there must be thousands of potential PD customers that are now using competitive products, judging by the comments I read on competitors forums.
Quoting an other PD user:
Creating a compliant UHD BD structure is not a big change from normal BD. There are some headers and meta differences to allow players to know it is a UHD BD Disc and of course it will be 265 encoded ( that PD already does).
Why not be bold, do it. And see your sales skyrocket!!
So, if 4K UHD Blu Ray might be in your future, even a year from now, why not ask for it now?
Eugene
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- Lossless Video/Audio Editing (Zero Quality Loss When Editing & Producing)
- Unlimited Number of Video/Audio Tracks
- Every Video & Audio Container Formats That Exist For Importing/Exporting
- Keyword Tag Media
- Trim Video Without Re-encoding
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Most of that came in PD14 already, like SVRT. 100 timeline tracks not enough?
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No reply, but their other competitors that I asked claim not enough demand and that is unfortunately the case. For the whole last 12 month only two requested that feature for PD16. So I use PD14, I have absolutely no use for the additional stuff in PD15-16.
Weird since you can only buy a UHD TV if you want a screen larger than 42" and literally any still camera will meet or exceed 4K resolution to make UHD slide shows, not to mention iPhones etc.etc. for videos.
And why use a $10.00 USB drive if a $0.65 cent BR disc will do. Fortunately my UHD player will handle 4K HEVC files on BR, that is what I send to family and friends. I use youtube in (private mode) too but any 4K material takes a serious PQ quality hit, ok really only for cell phone watching.
Bummer
Eugene
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Amen!!Long overdue
Eugene
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Cyberlink has always been a leader with new inovations. So I am wondering why there is no 4K UHD burning. What are the reasons?
Very disappointing, see no reason to buy since V14 has all the features I need.
Eugene
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I wonder what the reason is not to have UHD ? License fees or does that format not allow it?
Very disappointing, no reason to buy V16, PD 14 has all I need.
Eugene
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7PHIL77,
Even after owning a AX100 for about 3 1/2 years I am still amazed as to what it can do. The detail and color of
your video is just outstanding. Thanks for posting it
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I've been quiet lately, but I too am keen to see what PD16 has in store for UHD BD Authoring as I'm looking at the new range of UHD Camcorders that also do High Frame Rates (50/60p). Creating a complient UHD BD Structure is not a big change from normal BD. There are some header and meta data differences to allow players to know it is UHD BD Discs and of course it will be 265 encoded (that PD already does).
I would be surprised if PD16 does not include a UHD BD Authoring option, but you never know.
Thanks
Nathan
Welcome back Nathan.Yes, CL has the people that know how to do this, after all they came up with a UHD BD player PD DVD, so they are familiar with the BD structures, should be a piece of cake. And that is all that is missing. And that structure is not encrypted, so it could be reverse engineered.
Surprisingly, in spite of all the many 4K video sources, nobody else has done it yet for any other than the big league studio market.
Cannon has some good 4K camcorders, so das Panasonic. Sony has disappointed a lot of people wth their new FDR AX700, replacement for my AX100, by not having 60P.
Guess we will know in a few days.Keeping my fingers crossed.
Eugene
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Hopefully, a month from now we will be able to burn UHD compatible discs with PD16. For those not having a 4K capable camera, and there should not be too many, (considering 4K cell phones and that literally any camera on the market now has 4K), downloading from youtube is the answer. The best material looks great even with the amount of compression yutube uses
An other way to burn in 4K would be as a slide show, most still cameras have a resolution at or above uhd.
Google "Amazing 4K Flowers" on youtube, perhaps one of the best samples of what 4K can do, including deep blacks. Looking great even on a regular HD TV.
That material can be put on a memory stick and played in 4K on a UHD TV.
Enjoy
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I never said that the burner does the authoring, not sure how you got that. What I did say is that it takes an incredible amount of processing and drive power to author a disc and new drives were needed in the past with the new technology. UHD is a new technology that requires a new drive, processor and motherboard to play, so expecting the Blu-ray burning laser to work burning should not be expected.
UHD discs have three layers on one side and will need new burning laser and firmware for the task. If it is possible to provide UHD BD burning, from what I have learned about CL is they usually want to be the first. I would not expect it as a simple search will tell you that there are no UHD burners out there yet. I guess we'll find out next month for sure though.
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It does not take " incredible processing and drive power" , my previous now 8 year old pc did it just fine, for UHD you simply need more time since there is more data. And the burning time is limited by the disc and that has not changed much over the last 3 years or more. The main reason I got a new optical drive was to accomodate the new BDXL format.
My first experience with UHD was in March 2014, I was able to edit 4K using PD12 ? and burn to BR as a file and play pack w/o problems on an i7 in 4K using a $60 GPU. Changing that to a $180 GTX960 made a huge improvement in rendering time and allowed pb at 60 fps. rather than 30.
For UHD you do not need to burn 3 layers, 66GB discs are available pressed only, you can only buy 3 layer 100GB blancs.
Using HEVC a 2 layer 50GB disc can give us 2 hours, and 50GB blancs are a UHD standard. I have some commercial UHD 50 GB disc videos.
I too hope that CL will want to be the first, they had a whole year to cook this up.
So UHD is no big deal, same bunch of numbers only at a faster rate, assuming you have a good GPU, the CPU is not that critical any more for video editing.
I think that PCs that can do HD w/o stutter will be just fine with UHD as long as shadow files are used.
Eugene
Eugene, What a fascinating discussion above! Helpful to one who is not really up to speed with the latest technological developments like me!
Well 4k has been around for a couple of years now in both TV's and cameras of all brands and still we can't burn 4K onto a Blu Ray disc. It seems that the only way enthusiasts can see 4K/UHD on their TV's is via USB memory sticks and even then mine won't play MP4 audio which I had to convert to .MKV to play the audio. This too on a Panasonic Blu Ray player from a Panasonic camera! Ha! Don't the Lumix Dept talk to the Blu Ray Dep't?
Someone on Google search said you can stream 4K video via Windows Media Player to your 4K TV but I couldn't make that work.
But we are all used to burning Blu Ray discs for HD videos and we would automatically expect the technology to keep pace with 4K TV's and 4K Blu Ray players. So why isn't it?
And all the time I am inundated with Cyberlink ads pushing me to buy PD15 just before they bring out PD16 so it seems. Mmmm! And some here are hoping for PD16 to be able to burn 4K discs.
Is that likely to be the case now that we are well into September, 2017?
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you are an oldtimer! It must have been fascinating to see all these various inovations as they appeared over the years!. I used to be a user of Pinnacle for a very long time but changed to PD when P* failed to keep their software up to the prevailing standards. In particular the absence of proxy editing, it's lack made it difficult to editit HD on a slow PC.
So here we are approaching an other milestone, UHD burning, and we will find out in a few weeks if our hopes are fullfilled. Unfortunately at this time there is no other software to switch to. Last year rumors circulated that UHD burning was not incorporated in PD15, that proved to be true. So far nothing this year, apparently samples of PD16 have not gone out yet.
I wonder why CL has these end of version sales, buyers invariably will feel cheated when they discover that a new version appeared shortly after purchase.
Google " amazing 4K flowers" on youtube, it is perhaps the best video I have ever seen and it plays just fine in 4$ using the Window player. A lot depends on the video card.
Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Eugene
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I tried to do the same thing some time ago, burn several of my SD movies to a 4.7 GB blanc. Gave up on that and now use Freemake Video Converter for that.
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And invariably complaints and howls by buyers not aware that they bought software less than one month before the latest version.
How can there be "low stock" if it is a download from their HD???
My hope is that PD16 includes UHD burning, a slim hope since since only two (thanks Gary) asked for it. But CL prides itself to be an inovator and justifiably so, so it may come to pass.
Eugene
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Get an external HDD and back your stuff up. AOMEI makes a terrific free backerupper. And for video two HDD come in handy anyway.
Good luck
Eugene
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Just curious, how is the 1060 performing in PD? and what card did you have before? Can you stream Netflix or Amazon 4K with it?
I suspect that on my pc going from the 960 to 1060 is not going to make much difference. For me the change to GTX 960 was just amazing, a more than 10 fold increase in HEVC UHD rendering speed. I render HEVC UHD at about 3X real time.
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UHD discs have three layers on one side and will need new burning laser and firmware for the task.
Only commercial UHD 4K disc use the odd 66GB. However, several UHD Bluray burners already support dual, triple and quadruple layer burning (25, 50, 100, 128GB).
I've read several other forums on this subject and most posters appear to be hung up on the idea of the 'commercial' standard. Consumer software has never been able to produce 'commercial' quality or most of the 'commercial' standards.
If PD16 could just create a regular Bluray structure and menu, but encode the file to 4K (AVC or HEVC), the disc would probably play in any 4k player. Personlly, I could care less HOW the disc was create as long it played with the menu.
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I have tried that, using TsMuxer, it creates the structure as BR but the video is 4K. The Samsung 8500 does not recognize it but it plays fine on the pc with Media Player Classisc and VLC including menus.
The file structures of a commercial 4K and HD BR are exactly the same except for their content of course. The 4K and the HD version have both the exact same files:
AACS
BDMV
CERTIFICATE
Below is contend of BDMV:
AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLIPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM
Indexbdmv
MovieObject.bdmv
But the content on some must differ from UHD and HD, and perhaps that is all that needs to be altered by CL. Their 4K HEVC is playing fine on the 8500 and is looking great, that part is the most complex and difficult, yet was already done years ago.
The disc is ROCKY MOUNTAIN EXPRESS filmed in IMAX and true blue 4K and is reported to be one of the best UHD experiences. And who can resist the impact of a steam engine with the sound turned up !!!
It has a 25GB HD and 50GB UHD version in the same box. Both discs are 95% full, so here, to obtain spectacular UHD, the storage capacity is only doubled.
An other outstanding one I like is BBC PLANET EARTH II reported to be downconverted from 5K original video.
The sad fact is that perhaps 75% of UHD discs are hardly better looking than their HD versions because they did not originate in 4K.
I have hours of 4K video of our vacations captured by the Sony FDR AX100, still the standard as far as PQ is concerned and I like to play that in the UHD standard w/o resorting to tricks.
As mentioned in my last post, anyone who can edit stutter free HD should be able to do so in UHD using shadow files. No new BR optical drive needed.
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