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Quote So far you are the only one that asked ! undecided

How much $$ should Cyberlink put into development of this feature for a seemingly small amount of users.

Are you just typing to save $$ on a DVD vs CD cost?


"Development of a feature"???

All they need to do is REMOVE A RESTRICTION. STOP CHECKING DISC CAPACITY BEFORE PLAYING! It doesn't require "investment" or the addition of a "feature" to disable a disc capacity check before allowing files to play!

If you believe this is a complicated request, you don't understand the problem.


Perhaps this request is not "complicated", but it would be against DVD or BD video disc spec whatever.
I don't think a commercial software company will remove restrictions to implement the idea.
Open source free player could be very flexible to do everything, but commcercial player is not on the same page.

Why there are universal specs for video discs (BD DVD AVCHD...) to let every hardware/software companies follow?

You can consider it's a capitalism action made by those greedy enterprises trying to grab more money.
But the spec can help the produced video discs can play by all other players in case "complicated" compatibility problems.
And the video players can follow the industrial standard to design playback features accordingly.


Honestly, if your need is to burn full hd video on cheaper DVD disc, just use the universal AVCHD format to produce them.
Quote Hi QC2.0

Could you post an image showing the turn off Aero setting? Thanks. I can;t seem to find it.


Per help file, this option is only available in pdvd setting on Windows 7 or Vista.
Quote Hi

this is my first post,so,excuse my question!

why illigal update always ahead of legit ones?

etc,now build 17.1806.60 is out,on the update section it's still 17.1523.60!


Did you try that illegal updates? Take care of your PC from unknown malicious code, trojan, or ransomeware.
It might not be an authenticated installer, and don't give trust on it unless you 100% sure they are genuine.
Quote when I play a blu-ray disc windows Aero disables. Windows Aero doesn't disable playing a video file, but a physical blu-ray disc always disables aero.

I have noticed some troubling issue regarding performance too. on video files it is a gamble. some times the run fine, other times they run aa a <10FPS slideshow.

blu-rays seem to always be below the 24FPS they natively are designed for. feels like 18-20fps, and the rest of the frames are being dropped.

Rather disapointing for an liquid cooled Octo-Core i7-4790k @4.4Ghz , 32Gb Corsair Vengeance Pro 2,400Mhz DDR3 RAM and a liquid cooled 8Gb Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming GTX1080. I am really considering terminating my PowerDVD Live subscription if these issues can't be rectified.

Has Cyberlink sold out to Microsoft to inhibit performance on Windows 7 and 8/8.1 and only deliver full capabilities on Windows 10?



On a positive note at least 3D MVC video files are supported, rather than just 3D Side-By-Side or Under-Over. But TrueTheater HDR won't work on a monitor, only a HDR Tv plugged into a PC.




How about checking powerdvd setting > blu-ray disc > more setting? and disable the "Turn off Aero" setting for playing BD?

Performance concerns? Turn off TrueTheater video effect (software decoding), and use your powerful NVIDIA HW decoding.
Quote WHICH PROVIDES THE BEST SURROUND EXPERIENCE? AND HOW ARE BOTH DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER?




It's something like "Hey, there are Windows and Mac OS, which one is better?"

Dolby speaker is powered by Dolby. TT suround is made by CyberLink. Both of them aims to emulate stereo sound as surround sound feeling on 2ch stereo speakers.

I think their differences are not explicit, but just made by 2 different companies. The feeling of sound quality is sort of subjective depending on different individuals.

Just try which one fits your ears.
Quote It seems you have adjusted SGX setting to the right place in the BIOS, but it still failed on advisor detection occassionally.
Did you try the 6th steps to uninstall pdvd, and Intel SGX component to refresh the software configuration?

http://www.cyberlink.com/support/faq-content.do?id=19871

I may also try uninstall Intel ME as well with above uninstallation, then reinstall them after reboot.

fyi




Intel ME driver newer version:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25881

Install this one to try.



By the way, do you mind to share your dxdiag here to let us check it out?
It seems you have adjusted SGX setting to the right place in the BIOS, but it still failed on advisor detection occassionally.
Did you try the 6th steps to uninstall pdvd, and Intel SGX component to refresh the software configuration?

http://www.cyberlink.com/support/faq-content.do?id=19871

I may also try uninstall Intel ME as well with above uninstallation, then reinstall them after reboot.

fyi
Quote I presume Cyberlink developers are not even looking at this yet. Please can Cyberlink buy & test the following on 15 + 16 Ultra as none work as advertised so this is a pretty serious issue! All these Blurays are region free and where ever you buy them from they are the same VC1 codec as all use the existing masters none have been remastered since initial release many years ago.

Thank You

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/ft7/2001-Space-Odyssey-Blu-ray-Region-Keir-Dullea/B0013K1190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494721535&sr=8-1&keywords=2001+a+space+odyssey+blu+ray

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Fears-Blu-ray-Region-Free/dp/B00DW67LVU/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1494721556&sr=1-1&keywords=the+sum+of+all+fears+blu+ray

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/DVD-Blu-ray/Shining-Blu-ray-Region-Free/B0013K11AE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494721582&sr=8-1&keywords=the+shining+blu+ray

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gremlins-30th-Anniversary-Blu-ray-Region/dp/B00KRB0CK0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1494721632&sr=8-4&keywords=gremlins+1+blu+ray



"Decrypted video can be played flawlessly" is not news, but you know...
In your test, the old powerdvd 12 can play them well.

As a community user here, my opinion:
Disable truetheater video effect to play them again.
Install powerdvd at other PC, which has different brand/model vga to check out.

By the way, it seems you specifically want to talk to cyberlink and ask them do some testing for your case on those remastered movies. Contact their support directly although "you think" it's waste of time. Why? Because it's user sharing community here for user experience sharing and talk.

Go to dedicated channel for your needs.

no offense, fyi
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Quote autoframrate doesn't work on ultra hd blu-ray disc copy

if I try playback ultra hd (4k) disc copy from my hdd the autoframerate doesn't work. movie playback with the windows default display refrash rate


In my memory, powerdvd won't do any screen rate adjustment while playing video files. it does not support. you ripped the videos from disc to hdd, right?
It is only availble for video disc playback.


PowerDVD support autoframerate not only physical disks and also the BD folder structure and ios files too

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/43409.page

I have UHD BD folder structure on the HDD but auto frame rate doesn't work with it


UHD BD folder??
Is there first fully-decrypted UHD-BD video folder that stored on HDD amazingly existed in the world?

BD video format does not support 4K no matter it is a folder or image file.
You use "UHD BD" to describe your video folder. It really let me confused what things you are actually playing in powerdvd.

Is it a real UHD BD folder?
BDXL video folder is not UHD BD video folder, but allows 1080P only.
BDXL disc that stored 4k video files is still a BD data disc.

I suspect that you were just playing 4K video files, but not playing "UHD BD" video disc/video folder.
Quote autoframrate doesn't work on ultra hd blu-ray disc copy

if I try playback ultra hd (4k) disc copy from my hdd the autoframerate doesn't work. movie playback with the windows default display refrash rate


In my memory, powerdvd won't do any screen rate adjustment while playing video files. it does not support. you ripped the videos from disc to hdd, right?
It is only availble for video disc playback.
Quote Had a similar issue with PowerDVD 14. Looking at the error report it's a permissions issue and lies within the registry. It seems the permissions aren't carried across on the HKEY_CURRENTCONFIG registry key. A quick and dirty solution is to make sure Full Control is ticked for HKEY_CURRENTCONFIG/Software - this will need to be ticked for all users in the list. This sorted this issue (and many others from other vendors) for me, anyway.


It's not news that Windows 10 significant update screwed up things.
Your suggestion seems quite clever to resolve Windows 10 update mass.
Are there any screenshots available as reference? I'm worried if I do it myself, it might corrupt the registry.
Tks a lot.
Netflix 4K online video streaming is not equal to UHD-BD movie disc playback.
HDCP2.2 might be requried for both of them, but they are really different stories.

e.g. You may use a "web browser" to watch 4K protected video (Netflix) streaming.
But, you cannot use a web browser to play any commecrcial movie discs so far. The behavoir is different at the begining.

It's exciting and happy to know that NVIDIA provides 4K streaming supports on Netflix.
But, the movie "disc" playback demand for PC users is shading largely nowadays.
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That's the old BIOS. I have the latest F21, but it does not have an SGX option under peripherals.


The Intel SGX feature is optional for motherboard even the chipset on the board is capable to do it.
That is, although the chipset is a "right" one, if the manufacturer doesn't implement the Intel SGX feature on their "firmware", still no Intel SGX.

And, this feature is usually controllable in the BIOS. If no such options, probably no Intel SGX support.
Unfortunately, any confirmation should refer to Gigabyte as there are various motherboards support it or not support it.

For other users who might be reading this topic, I personally think that's the thing (the motherboard supports SGX or not) which CyberLink cannot and "should not" provide the answer, because the answer is not appropriate to refer to a software vendor but the hardware manufacturer.

What they wrote in the support article is neutral statement as a testing result which is sufficient information at least to me.


I would disagree that the software vendor is immune to hardware implementations. Especially in this case. If your advertised software functionality, in fact your premium feature, is UHD, then you are responsible for hardware support. This is further complicated by the fact that Cyberlink both posts hardware compatibility on thier website and provides a software advisor tool which is used to establish hardware compatibility.

In this case, UHD depends on very specific hardware which is just hitting the market and there are practically no drives to support playback. The claimed selling points of the software are not widely available to existing hardware or customers.

I am sure that if you bought software that had no hardware support or implementation, you would question the advertising claims of the software retailer. Software cannot run without hardware.


So, ask CyberLink do not manufacture a UHDBD software player and do not release it when the hardware support is not sufficient currently, will it satisfy you?

As you said "Software cannot run without hardware", blame software vendor won't help you or other user resolve their problems.
And, you do have your free choice not to buy it as it is a commcercial software.

"PC" is an industry and ecosystem need every participants (software, hardware, etc) to deliver every piece of features and functions on the devices.

For what you said:
"I am sure that if you bought software that had no hardware support or implementation, you would question the advertising claims of the software retailer. Software cannot run without hardware."

Yes, I will definitely question the software vendor.
But, I saw CyberLink made "big" efforts to provide free advisor and support articles to help users before they puchase sofware, and they did NOT across the red line to GUARANTEE something they do not manufacture or test with basic "integrity".
Therefore, I left my questions and blame, and search for the helps what they currently provides or users provide in this forum.

For now, use PC to play back UHD-BD is such a geek thing, such as you want to play BD movies decades ago.
UHD-BD requirement is not CyberLink's "product" but it's a "fact" in the PC industry.

Sure, this fact is not well acceptable for enthusiasts if they want it at this very early stage for PC markets.
Quote I am sorry for not explaining this better in my previous post.

You are right with HDMI, HDCP and SGX, of course.

What I am saying is that HDR, the fourth thing you listed, is not a requirement. The previous three certainly are requirements.

UHD BD with HDR becomes available after you meet the three requirements. Better?


Per my understanding,
HDMI, HDCP, SGX, APVP (Advanced Protected Video Path) are mainly for UHD-BD playback security.
UHD-BD advisor directly present it in detection.

GPU, Display Device, OS version affect HDR.
Of course, UHD-BD and HDR have many requirements in common.

By the way, your motherboard list is such an awesome reference to help people here.
Regular users have no available access to know that much on so many motherboards compatibilities on their own.
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That's the old BIOS. I have the latest F21, but it does not have an SGX option under peripherals.


The Intel SGX feature is optional for motherboard even the chipset on the board is capable to do it.
That is, although the chipset is a "right" one, if the manufacturer doesn't implement the Intel SGX feature on their "firmware", still no Intel SGX.

And, this feature is usually controllable in the BIOS. If no such options, probably no Intel SGX support.
Unfortunately, any confirmation should refer to Gigabyte as there are various motherboards support it or not support it.

For other users who might be reading this topic, I personally think that's the thing (the motherboard supports SGX or not) which CyberLink cannot and "should not" provide the answer, because the answer is not appropriate to refer to a software vendor but the hardware manufacturer.

What they wrote in the support article is neutral statement as a testing result which is sufficient information at least to me.
Quote I was lead to believe when I purchased Power DVD17 that I was being charged in Canadian dollars, you can pick your native cuurency at the top of the page in your shopping cart.

Mine worked out to be 44.95 Canadian after my 10% discount for the upgrade.

I then found that I was actaully charged 44.95 US, so I eneded up paying around 61.00$ Canadian.

If Cyberlink is charging everyone in US dollars, why does the shopping cart page allow one to choose the currency of their choice ?

Why even bother to allow people to choose their cureency when everyone pays in US dollars then.

I have requested a refund, I don't need Power DVD 17 that bad.

I would say that's fraud.

https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/powerdvd-17-ultra-officially-released.72481/page-3#post-464835


Hi Jeff,

I don't use US dollar for credit card purchase overseas. Just let shopping cart select the curreny by default, and no issues before when purchasing on CyberLink store.

Any update of this case?
Do they help you cancel this order or clarify any problems?
Is it shopping cart bug or fraud?
Quote I wouldn't call HDR a requirement. The software (PDVD17) is able to send the videosignal to the monitor or TV and then it is the monitor's job to show you a HDR picture. If the monitor does not support HDR, PowerDVD gives you an error message and switches to SDR. I believe the motherboard has nothing to do with this, am I right?

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If your motherboard has HDMI output for Intel integrated GPU, motherboard matters at this moment.
Video processing: Intel GPU -> motherboard chip -> HDMI port.

So, no matter desktop or laptop PC both need their motherboard supports UHDBD or HDR requirement.

Go to their support article to search what you (blackcoffee) need:
http://www.cyberlink.com/support/faq-content.do?id=19860&isDraft=1
http://www.cyberlink.com/support/faq-content.do?id=19871&isDraft=1

Those 2 almost answer everything "available" currnetly.
Quote Makes no sense to me.

1) I can browse my commercial UHD discs on the PC, go to BDMV then STREAM and then pick a file that contains the main video. It is the one with largest M2TS file size.

2) I can play that file, the disc is spinning and light blinking, just as if it was a DVD or BR.

3) The PC player software displays the title to be played but says "No can do"



That means to me that the correct player software, perhaps DVD17 could do it if I have the correct PC hardware.



So the reason, as I see it, that I do not have a picture is the copy protection system, NOT the optical drive.

My optical drive fills all the functions that are needet to produce a data stream that only needs to be decoded by suitable software.

And how do you know that my drive does NOT fullfill all those requirements you list ????



And remember what PANA said: "If you can browse the disk the drive is ok"


As I said, we will find out in time.



Eugene


Your statement:
"I bought my LG drive to be able to BURN UHD discs and the Samsung reads my 4K disk files ok."
Take a photo, and show us your so called "UHD discs" cover that you burned by your LG drive.

Deryption or reading such protected video content will not just need software player or HDCP supports.
You already mentioned "AACS" on UHDBD yourself.
It needs optica drive hardware support, too.
And, your LG drive is not a UHDBD drive to support commercial UHDBD playback.

Put all responsibilities on software player or other hardware won't help users here, but just give them false hopes that they don't need to purcahse a new UHDBD drive.

By the way, sorry for my ignorance. Who is PANA? LG engineer?
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Quote i have got answer from the pioneer:

Are you able to browse the contents of the disc?

If so, the drive is working and you will need to contact the playback software company for further assistance with the software.


Drag Pioneer support agent out to see Pioneer's press release for their 1st UHDBD drive releasing news on 2017Q1.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11069/pioneer-announces-ultra-hd-bluray-supporting-bdrs11j-drives

It is totally a shame that they are not familar with "What is a UHD-BD movie disc drive".

A drive that doesn't have UHD-BD certified/license can claim support on UHD-BD movie playback? Ridiculous!!!

You can see the files in Windows file explorer, but it does not justify or 100% proof the drive compatibility/capability.
The movie content is digitally protected by UHD-BD security.

BDR207 does not have the decryption capability for UHD-BD movies.



A UHD-BD drive spec should like this:
http://pioneer.jp/pcperipherals/bdd/products/bdr_s11j_x/

I know it's Japanese. Just take a look that it specifically mention "Ultra HD Blu-ray", and placed it everywhere in introduction.

Regular BD drive only has this:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-207MBK



BTW, it's not surprising that the world 1st UHDBD drive would launch in Japan first, because the manufacturer and movie disc market share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Corporation








As Pana says : Are you able to browse the contents of the disc? The rest is just a stream of 0s and 1s regardless of format. Nothing magic about UHD. The hangup is the ability of the pc video player software to decrypt it. The drive has nothing to do with that.

I bought my LG drive to be able to BURN UHD discs and the Samsung reads my 4K disk files ok.

LG supposedly makes the Pana drive, I remember reading on AVS Forum.



But patience, we will know in a few weeks for sure.


BDXL Tri-layers or Quad-layer disc is not equal to UHDBD movie disc.

Commercial UHDBD movie disc has its own encryption.
And, "The hangup is the ability of the pc video player software to decrypt it", this is not correct, or only partially correct.

Why UHDBD needs Intel SGX? Why UHDBD needs UHDBD certified drive?
They all matters the content encryption and decryption.


Let's clarify a UHDBD certified drive should have what capabilities.
They have to be compatible with commercial UHD-BD movie disc spec to build a secured path to decrypt/transmit those protected video data from the disc while a software player requests to do it.

I have no idea if there is a homemade UHDBD video disc already existing on the consumer market.
What I know is that those produced homemade disc has big chance that is just a regular Blu-ray video BDXL disc or a data disc that stores 4K video files.



UHDBD applied BD-ROM Profile 6.0
NO consumer disc drives currently can burn a protected UHDBD BD-ROM, or a UHDBD movie disc, but just BDXL-QL or BDXL-TL BD video disc
BD-ROM cannot produce by a disc writer, it is produced at factory in mass production.


I studied those info on the Internet for such a long time before pdvd 17 rolled out.

All in all, we do need to purchase/upgrade new hardware to meet UHDBD playback requirement but not just a "CyberLink PowerDVD" requirement if we want to do the playback using Windows PC.
Whatever, as a software player, currently only pdvd has UHD-BD playback compatibility. It is not well acceptable, but it is a fact.
Quote i have got answer from the pioneer:

Are you able to browse the contents of the disc?

If so, the drive is working and you will need to contact the playback software company for further assistance with the software.


Drag Pioneer support agent out to see Pioneer's press release for their 1st UHDBD drive releasing news on 2017Q1.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11069/pioneer-announces-ultra-hd-bluray-supporting-bdrs11j-drives

It is totally a shame that they are not familar with "What is a UHD-BD movie disc drive".

A drive that doesn't have UHD-BD certified/license can claim support on UHD-BD movie playback? Ridiculous!!!

You can see the files in Windows file explorer, but it does not justify or 100% proof the drive compatibility/capability.
The movie content is digitally protected by UHD-BD security.

BDR207 does not have the decryption capability for UHD-BD movies.



A UHD-BD drive spec should like this:
http://pioneer.jp/pcperipherals/bdd/products/bdr_s11j_x/

I know it's Japanese. Just take a look that it specifically mention "Ultra HD Blu-ray", and placed it everywhere in introduction.

Regular BD drive only has this:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-207MBK



BTW, it's not surprising that the world 1st UHDBD drive would launch in Japan first, because the manufacturer and movie disc market share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Corporation
Quote I upgraded PowerDVD 14 to PowerDVD 17 last night. The upgrade left both versions intact. I have some video files saved to my harddrive that I normally start playing by double-clicking on the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. PowerDVD 14 will still open and start playing the video, but PowerDVD 17 does nothing. Even if I right-click and select "open with PowerDVD 17", it will not open and start playing the video. No error message, just nothing happens. PowerDVD 17 will play DVD/BDs inserted in the optical drive.

Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Some sort of conflict during the upgrade?


New PowerDVD version places the disc folder playback entry on the playback control bar (at the bottom of movie disc playback page).
No longer support to launch IFO file solely to open disc folder playback.

You can find a folder icon button there to play your disc folder.

---The above information is from CyberLink support---


I think the IFO file is video disc info file for disc folder playback and identification.

If it is solely stored at any folder or the folder is not a complete video disc folder, your double-clicking launching would cause more compatibility or disc folder recognition problems for a player.
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