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I have a PDR13 saved as a packed project.
When loading into PDR14 I get 23 Cannot Load fix.png errors. (See attached LoadErr img)
Once the project loads all video, pics and sound files are there.
When I playback the timeline I get a "Media Source Error", Error Type = Video Cut, Material Type = Template (See PlayErr img attached). I click "Save As" on error popup and get a meaningless (to me) report (See ErrorLog.txt attached). It's hard to isolate the clip as it jumps back to start of timeline as soon as error is displayed.
It's a large 1hr HD project.
Thanks - Al
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Hi Alek - You don't say which i series 4 core CPU you have.
Two possible suggestions
First make sure you are using Shadow Files and wait until PDR14 finishes generating all of them (Green indicator). It can take some time to complete with 4k clips.
Second - for smooth 4k editing without Shadow Files try the procedure in this thread. Using this tool I can smoothly edit 4k on my core i5 cpu.
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46177.page
Hope that helps.
Al
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Dafydd,
Suxsem may have, at last, solved the nVidia GPU support problem with latest drivers.
Please investigate and if there is merit in this proposed solution, start a new thread asking other users to test it - and pass on to Cyber Support.
Thanks,
Al
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gypsycomp
Here is the correct link from Robert's post above.
"Now even better and much faster again is the "new kid on the block" Magic+PD. It's a very fast way of converting files with a lossless codec that's results in problem free editing and faster rendering times too. The final results are fantastic .
I thoroughly recommend you have a look at this thread and consider using this great little free program. It really will speed up your editing experience. http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46177.page
I hope this information helps you
Robert"
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Thanks Barry
My projects are 1080/25p (PAL)
What file format do you produce for DVD and for Bluray ie AVC, MTS, etc??? What framerate?
What settings do you use for each? Do you use custom settings for bitrate etc.
Do you re-import the files into PDR14 Create Disc to create the menu and create ISOs?
I do create ISOs from Burn Disc and use the ISOs to burn discs with Win10.
I have Power2Go 10 but it won't burn BluRay video DVDs from files - only normal DVDs. It can burn BluRay data discs but not video. Can't believe Cyberlink expect people to buy P2Go when even freeware does both. It sucks.
Thanks Again,
Al
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Hi Barry,
You seem to have cracked DVD production in PDR14. I've had mixed results (quality) so would appreciate some advice.
What PDR14 settings would you recommend for a 1080/25p project that I want to produce DVDs and BluRay for best quality? (I'm using Verbatim DVD-R and BD-R discs). I'm wasting a lot of discs experimenting with various settings and don't need any more coasters!
Thanks
Al
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kmjk333,
As you will see in the above link it was created by Optodata, a senior contributor to the form. It is not a Cyberlink product but rather a "front end" to Power Director resulting from many users having performance issues when trying to edit 4k. My PC worked fine for HD but could not handle 4k and I would have been forced to replace it with an expensive upgrade. Using Magic+PD, I can smoothly edit on 4k my little i5 cpu.
It is freeware for all to use. Please read the "Magic+PD Overview (Rev D).pdf" on the first page of the Magic+PD thread for more info on why and how to use it.
It is "Magic".
Al
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Hi kmjk333,
Magic+PD is a free conversion tool developed by PDR14 users for 4k editing.
You will find all the info on the first couple of pages of the forum thread here:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46177.page
Al
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3. Note that this software (PowerDirector) is not licensed to be used for commercial work. More exactly the MPEG2 and MPEG4, H264 and H265 licenses don't allow that.
CL got around the issue making their default format for the "youtube" profile WMV (that doesn't have commercial use limitations).
How do you define commercial use? We upload to Youtube to share our videos with others free of charge - like the free Power Director tutorials available from several sources including Cyberlink. Is this any different to passing DVDs on to friends and family? It looks like a bit of a grey area trying to define commercial use. I have not seen this restriction even in other free edit prorgrams that output H.264 using the free industry standard AVC1 codec. Is it because Cyberlink are still using the old Sony PSP (Playstation) codec for H.264 MP4 (which is regarded as poor quality codec)??? (See MediaInfo on your H.264 MP4 files from PDR14)?
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DAFYDD decided to close the "Curious Thing - Shadow Files" thread following Tony's (ynotfish) last post yesterday revealing some important information about Shadow Files which PDR users should know and understand.
The thread did wander a bit so I am starting a new one for a better understanding of what shadow files are and what really happens when we use them to edit. Tony did some Shadow File tests yesterday in the previosu thread in the post below and his results will suprise many users - like me!
Please refer to http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/preList/48815/256631.page#256631
Thanks again Tony,
Please correct me if I'm wrong but using Shadow Files means:
- HD preview of the timeline is not posible. If we are editing HD, we all want to preview in HD to see the quality of our editing before render. Selecting HD realtime preview is misleading as it's not possible using proxy files. to quote Tony (ynotfish) above "It doesn't matter if the source videos are 720p, 1080p, 1440p, UHD, 4K or 8K shadow files will always be 720x480." If I'm editing 1920x1080 I can only preview a very low quality, lower bitrate 720x480 image - regardles of the settings I choose in the playback window.
- Many PDR14 users are forced to use shadow files for HD editing to avoid timeline playback problems unles they have very powerful PC's - and virtually ALL PDR14 users trying to edit 4K have to use Shadow Files. 4k editig (4096x2304) while viewing a 720x480 image is just plain madness. Is that 4k editing???
It's clear that PDR14 is mislesding us when we use Shadow Files and select HD Realtime Preview - It is not possible!
Here is another reason for 4k users to use Magic+PD.
With Magic+PD you can edit 4k with realtime preview and Shadow Files turned OFF - on a mid-range PC!!!!
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Hi Matt,
GoPro Studio does the same thing using Cineform codec instead of MagicYUV. See link below for a simple explanation.
https://gopro.com/support/articles/why-does-gopro-studio-convert-file-to-the-gopro-cineform-format
"CineForm files are better for editing than camera source files. They improve on image quality and playback speed" Same is true for Magic+PD.
If you want more info (i have lots) maybe start a new thread on Codecs. Thanks
Al
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Thanks Neil,
Tony is correct - Magic+PD is not the right solution for you. I misunderstood your original question. It is worth a try if you ever move to 4k. Got the clear picture now, thanks (pun appreciated).
Al
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Thanks Tony - point taken - but I have to disagree with "To anybody else, the program will have little value"
What was you conclusion about Shadow Files? What are we looking at in preview if we have shadow files on?
Why don't you ever use shadow files? What about 4k?
Neil - sorry thing got so confusing - let me try and go back to your original post.
My understanding is that your camera captures MP4.
You edit sequences and produce out to H.264 AVC(MP4) files (All HD I assume?)
From your post:
"I figure MP4 to be a lossless file type(meaning I don't expect it to degrade after a couple of renderings)."
I assume you are re-importing the rendered AVC files back into your timeline (new project?). If so, you will lose quality with each additional generation re-rendered - unless you are not making additional changes to the AVC files and you can use SVRT in PDR14. Just click on SVRT before produce your final output and PDR14 will analyze your timeline and avoid re-rendering if it is not necessary. If that works you lose nothing.
H.264 MP4 is "lossy" and not a good intermediate format.
You also said "I want to know if I can get them into this AVI "Cineform" file type I've seen mentioned elsewhere on this forum."
Here your idea is good. Cineform is an excellent intermediate file type. If you have GoPro Studio (free) installed, you will also have Cineform. Cineform files are a bit smaller than MagicYUV but still much larger than your MP4 files. PDR14 edits Cineform files easily on the timeline but cannot output Cineform format - so there is no easy way for you to use Cineform. (MagicYUV does the same thing as Cineform)
Your workflow thinking is 100% correct. This is why we need Cyberlink to add intermediate file types, like Cineform, as an output option in PDR14. PDR14 does import and edit Cineform as input files - but no output.
Here is an explanation from GoPro - Hope it helps
https://gopro.com/support/articles/why-does-gopro-studio-convert-file-to-the-gopro-cineform-format
Please bear with me - I'm trying hard - but may be getting old!!!
Al
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Haha - the "flow" of that thread is akin to a washing machine in action. 
More like a washer/dryer combo!
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AIS, wow thanks. That's a lot of information, and very useful. Obviously the file size is significantly restrictive with either RAW (which, now you come to mention it, I have heard of) or lossless. So, with PDR which format is the *least* lossy? As I often use 2 or 3 - sometimes more - layers of rendered shots/scenes, having a format that is as lossless as possible is a big consideration.
Matt
I'll try to keep this one short and sweet.
Hi Matt - Compressed files are generally grouped into three categories:
- Capture formats or codecs - as caputred by your camera. Consumer cameras use highly compressed files due to storage restrictions.
- Edit formats - Professional edit programs can decompress the highly compessed camera files into the lossless codec AVI or MOV files using the codecs I mentioed above - before you start editing. These are larger files on you PC but manageable and the best for editing.
- Delivery formats - This is basically what you choose to output from PDR14. These are highly compressed files like H.264 and H.265 for smaller, managable files which are good for viewing and distribution on PCs, media players and the Web.
The good news is that even though PDR14 can't decompress your camera files for editing, our forum members have created an easy to use method of decompressing your camera clips using the new lossless Magic YUV codec. It is not only "least" lossy, it is truly mathematically lossless. It's slick, easy to use, and enables you to edit even 4k in realtime without buying big expensive hardware.
You can find all the info and instructions here on the forum in the link below:
Magic+PD SOLUTION
Al
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Hi Matt
I'll leave the shadow files to Tony.
Re compression format -
Fully uncompressed video is a camera capture format called RAW. It's used by the pros for the broadcast and movie industry and is the best possible image quality. Camera prices and file sizes are HUGE!
The difference between professional editing and the rest of us is video compression. Professional cameras record uncompressed video and a single half-hour TV program can be more than one terabyte! This requires a lot of very expensive equipment and computer hardware which is both out of reach and just not practical for nearly all of us. The closest we normally get is editing RAW uncompressed photos. Uncompressed video size is much worse in 4k and 8k. 30 minutes of RAW 4k needs 36 terabytes of high speed storgae!
As a result pro cameras are now more commonly using a "non-lossy compression" that you mention. All compression uses CODECs (COmpression-DECompression). Non-lossy, or lossless codecs include Cineform (motion picture industry standard) and MagicYUV as MOV or AVI files - plus others.
These lossless codecs are nearly as good as uncompressed video but again file sizes are still too big for anything but very expensive professional cameras.
Unlike uncompressed video, these lossless AVI and MOV formats can be edited on a normal desktop PC as long as you have the corresponding codec intalled. Eg PDR14 can edit Cineform and MagicYUV AVI files in HD and 4k easier and faster than most highly compressed consumer camera formats like H.264 MP4 etc.
Hope that helps.
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Robert - I think it's just a misunderstanding of how it works and why to use it.
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Neil - Magic+PD doesn't render anything. It only decompresses your camera clips to large AVI files. You import those AVI files into PDR14, edit as normal and render out to your H.264 AVC(MP4). You're almost there. Give it a try before you say bye-bye.
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Thanks Tony - Great images but sorry I'm confused. Did you capture those images from the PDR14 preview window? 8k? So each frame I preview, PDR14 is reconstructing from the original compressed MP4 (HD or 4k) capture file in my bin - rather than showing me the shadow files its using in the timeline? My theory was that M+PD decompresses the MP4 file, does not use shadow files, and therefore is giving a better quality HD preview when scrubbing or playing the timeline.
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Provlima - I think you can see the general consensus is that laptops are not ideal for editing. If you have to use a laptop and need 4k editing it can be done.Here is a list of laptops for editing similar to Steve's but 4k editing is pushing the limits.
http://teradatariver.com/1119/best-laptop-for-video-editing/
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