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Which W10 laptop to buy that will handle 4k video editing well in PD 14???
Provlima [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 13, 2011 12:08 Messages: 11 Offline
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My 4 year old Dell 14z W7 laptop crashed and I have to buy a new Windows 10 laptop to use with PD14
I am seeking recommendations from the community on what has worked for them as far as laptops they are successfuly

using to edit 4k videos I am not a pro but an avid hobbyist who uses a Lumix FZ1000 camera which captures 4k mp4's.

My old W7 using an i5 processor had difficulty in playing (stuttering) 4k vids.

I have heard that Windows 10 with an i7 processor is more 4k friendly.

Any help with my research on which laptop to buy would be greatly appreciated!
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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What is your budget, weight limit and is there any location issues.

Why a laptop rather than a desktop?
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Provlima [Avatar]
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Thanks for your reply. About $1000

Laptop to use during travels, preferably under 6 lbs
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: Thanks for your reply. About $1000

Laptop to use during travels, preferably under 6 lbs
I think there are many choices for Laptops with i7 CPUs that would work. I do not think laptops are a good choice for editing video.

They are less capable, you cannot use good Video cards (you must use the built in video).

$1000 is a bit on the low end, I would expect to pay $1500-2500 for a laptop capable of video editing. Check the price of high end gaming laptops. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Quote: Thanks for your reply. About $1000

Laptop to use during travels, preferably under 6 lbs


Good luck finding a 4K laptop for $1000 that will be good enough for you to be happy with. Weight and battery life will be other problems.

Yes, i7 or equivalent. ultra hight definition screen, lots of memory and a large SSD all add up.

Perhaps others will offer some suggestions. Here is something to get you thinking:

=http://topreviews.best/main-review/best-ultra-hd-laptops?t=4k%20laptop&gclid=Cj0KEQjwwMi7BRDGptbvwOCDj8oBEiQAIALyDNhivvy6vRLWAfTKAR_Zl8cCJ4UQDCvisP-U8PNDSnAaApEq8P8HAQ

Have you done any research on your own? Why don't you post what you like and let others offer upgrades to it.

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Laptops are just convenient toys. They are seldom useful in any productive work, and when they are the cost (and weight) reflects that.
A desktop workstation costs 1/3 for the same performance and is less likely to have compatibility issues. Almost all of the complains about PD compatibility here are from laptop users.

90% of the laptop users claim that they are using it during "travel". Really? Are you vacationing and edit the video from the day at night?

I have a laptop that could edit videos (Dell E6420 with a quad i7-2760QM and nVidia Quadro video, 8GB RAM, plus 300GB SSD) but I just choose not to.

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BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Is a laptop with a 4K-capable screen different from a laptop with 4K-capable editing power? The edit preview screen is still rather small (though resizable) so who cares if it's a 4K screen? Now, Sonic, I totally agree with the bang-for-buck and general laptop theory you tout, I have a 1st gen i7 DV7T-3000 I use for storage! But for SOME people maybe a lappy is all they can deal with, or who knows what reason, it's good to warn them, advise them, ahead of the purchase, no doubt about it. But to the question I posed, is the cost of a 4K screen necessary for 4K video editing? HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
Longedge [Avatar]
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Quote: is the cost of a 4K screen necessary for 4K video editing?


In case it's not a rhetorical question - definitely not. You can edit 4K on an HD screen I have done on my old Sony Vaio. I've since given it to my grandson after I bought my new desktop as he needed a 'new' laptop for University. It was an i7, 8GB RAM and a 1TB HDD with a HD screen (native 1920x1080). I have to admit I didn't realise how slow it was until I got the new desktop.

The worst trouble I had was overheating when it was rendering and I resolved that by throttling the CPU to a max of 95% useage and a desk fan. It's much more difficult keeping a laptop cool when it's continuosly running flat out.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Mostly rhetorical. The lappys in the link all were 4K, were they not? I just wanted to be clear that the 4K screens could be considered overkill, and money better spent, all things considered, in more video-productive specifications. And don't EVER place laptop on your lap, or a bed, or anything that can block the vents, but I am perhaps veering away from the topic a wee bit.

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HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
AlS
Senior Member Location: South Africa Joined: Sep 23, 2014 18:07 Messages: 290 Offline
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I use a laptop with an external HDD to preview and store camera footage when I travel but only edit when I get back to my desktop. Any cheap laptop with a decent display works. Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer
fishtop_records
Newbie Location: Wayne, PA Joined: May 12, 2016 02:02 Messages: 39 Offline
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I recently bought an Acer laptop, gaming rig, with 16GB ram, 1TB SSD, etc. specifically for editing video. But not 4K, just what my GoPro takes. I paid about $1200 for it and am very happy with it and PD14. It is five to ten times faster than my MacBook Pro with Adobe Premire Elements.

But if I were doing a lot of editing, I'd get a desktop rig with at least two high end graphics cards and at least two big monitors. Maybe 3 monitors.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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We really need to get back to the original question. Anybody got a link for a "good deal" for a power laptop that may satisfy the needs of our member Provlina. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
fishtop_records
Newbie Location: Wayne, PA Joined: May 12, 2016 02:02 Messages: 39 Offline
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Quote: We really need to get back to the original question. Anybody got a link for a "good deal" for a power laptop that may satisfy the needs of our member Provlina.




Based on my search for a power laptop last month, I don't expect that we will find one to help Provlina. My new one will not do 4K, and already cost more than his budget. I think a "good deal" that meets the specs will probably be more like $1500, and you will still need a second monitor. All IMHO, YMMV, etc.
AlS
Senior Member Location: South Africa Joined: Sep 23, 2014 18:07 Messages: 290 Offline
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Quote: We really need to get back to the original question. Anybody got a link for a "good deal" for a power laptop that may satisfy the needs of our member Provlina.


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Intel Core i7 6700K Quad-Core 4.0GHz (4.2GHz TurboBoost), EON15-X 3840 x 2160 15.6" QFHD Matte Display, Single 8GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M, Up to 64GB DDR4, SSD, HDD etc.

Should handle 4k - will blow the budget++ But I wouldn't buy or recommend it. 15" 4k screen is a contradiction of terms. Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Blow the budget is an understatement !

Any comment on the laptops from the link in my link above?

Looks like $1400 (us) is the more likely price point.

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Quote: But if I were doing a lot of editing, I'd get a desktop rig with at least two high end graphics cards and at least two big monitors. Maybe 3 monitors.


Can I ask: Why TWO graphics cards and why TWO or three monitors?

And what would be your minimum definition of "high end graphics cards"???
fishtop_records
Newbie Location: Wayne, PA Joined: May 12, 2016 02:02 Messages: 39 Offline
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Quote: Can I ask: Why TWO graphics cards and why TWO or three monitors?
Two or three graphics cards in SLI or Crossfire each do part of the processig so you get two (or three) times the performance.

Two monitors lets you have a full screen of the video (or photos) and the other screen for the controls (rooms in PD14 speak)

Sorry, the video card market moves to fast for me to keep up. I can't help with specifics. Review sites like CNET or TomsHardware keep. Rule of thumb: look for "gaming" cards that cost $200 on up. No need for a pair of $600 each cards.
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Thank You!

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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote:
Quote: Can I ask: Why TWO graphics cards and why TWO or three monitors?
Two or three graphics cards in SLI or Crossfire each do part of the processig so you get two (or three) times the performance.

Two monitors lets you have a full screen of the video (or photos) and the other screen for the controls (rooms in PD14 speak)

Sorry, the video card market moves to fast for me to keep up. I can't help with specifics. Review sites like CNET or TomsHardware keep. Rule of thumb: look for "gaming" cards that cost $200 on up. No need for a pair of $600 each cards.


Sounds good, two or three times the performance, but does not apply to PD. PD14 does not take advantage of SLI or Crossfire, yes, great for gamers but this is a PD user forum. Discussed previously here, http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/45509.page#235018 and contained threads.

Maybe something new for PD15, maybe not. Many new features/capabilities in the GPGPU area with WIN10 but I suspect some time for PD to implement successfully if they are even going that route.

Jeff
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Quote: to PD. PD14 does not take advantage of SLI or Crossfire, yes, great for gamers but this is a PD user forum. Discussed previously here,


Didn't know that, thanks.

My programmer friends say that doing multi-GPU development is a bear. I wonder if Elements or Final Cut do it today? Not that I want to spend that kinda money for a casual hobby.



Rendering speed for video has been a problem since we started doing video on computers
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