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Another work around is add as you did in your first sentence, then do a remove all unused tracks, and then add again just like your first sentence.

This occurs since PD19 when they thought a great idea to remove several tracks for the user to add themselves. Poorly tested UI change implementation yet again and never fixed.

Jeff


I've been using and bought
PowerDirector 16 Ultimate
PowerDirector 11 Ultra

Then I transitioned to PD365 and never ever had any problem.

Now with PD365 version 21 it started and i can't find any workaround, even 5~8 days ago there was an update and still the same
problem.
Since upgraded, there ahve been at least 3 updates on CyberLink Application Manager and results is always the same

Simple project, only one track I add an effect track and when i add an effect PD always freezes.

Am I the only one experiencing this ?
Quote Please take a look at the UI Improvements and Enhancements section of this sticky post to see all the relevent changes.


Thanks a lot for all the cooperation answering the question.

But IMHO the PD18 Way was much more efective you just click on the Color preset and you would see in real time the effect on the footage.

Now you must drag it, and if you want to take out Ctrl+Z or remove efect.

Sometimes when things are OK there's no need to change, but maybe it's only me.

For other people it may be better.

Tiime will tell, and Cyberlink is a good listenner.


Kind regards PD community.
Just installed PD19 and did not find "Color Presets & LUTS" !

Someone knows they changed place ? They took off the functionality ?

Thanks for your attention.

Kind regards


Thanks, worked like a charm

Kind Regards
I have a director 365 license, that I use at my desktop PC,

I bought a new laptop a Thinkpad E14 Gen 2 with an Amd ryzen 5 4500u which is a very good CPu for a laptop.

Since I'm the only user of the desktop PC and the Laptop, am I allowed to install Director 365 on it ?

If so, how can I do it since I installed logged on with my Cyberlink user and pass and it did not owrk ?

Thanks in advance for your attention.

Kind regards
You missed the whole point, it's not Power Director fault here!

Quadro has lots of cards most of them GPUs are the same so they use drivers to do more or less depending on it's rom version.

I bought my Quadro P400 because my CPU i7 6700 does not have HEVC encoding, and this would give me the gate to 4k Editing.

But what I've paid for my Quadro P400 did not deserve the money.

For amateurs as far as I've seen a good Intel GPU is enough, I'll wait for 10gen or 11gen by Dell

At least Intel does not do SW tricks on their GPUs. As is comproved here in this thread with my case with windows default driver
vs Nvidia downloaded driver

Quote Thanks for the link. I carefully checked the supporting matrix, and find Quadro M1200 is listed to have 1 NVENC chip, and supports H.264. I agree with you that we are not required to have professional video card simply to process 3-4 videos a year. Given the laptop I am using (Dell Precision 5520) is reasonable good for computating task, it is really pitty that the Power Director can not make good use of the discrete graphic card.


I have even tried to download the oldest possible drive back in 2017 for quadro m1200 (release 37, no luck.





Besides I don't see Quadro m1200 on the NVEN, so if it's not there you ain't have it!
https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-decode-gpu-support-matrix

But as discussed before Nvidia via SW driver shuts down features of it's GPUs the distinguish High End, Middle and Entry range
which is a pitty for all of us who are not professional video editors, just afictionates!
Who don't have the need to buy high end systems because you make 3 maybe 4 videos a year.

In my case when I was using Windows P400 driver I had access to CUDA making PD way way faster, when I installed Nvidia Driver stoped having acess to Cuda, Sad.

Check Encode "Max # of concurrent sessions" colum on the link I provid above entry/mid Level cards only can have 2 encoding threads while the high end have Unrestricted.

My current Desktop is a Dell i7 6700 (does not have HEVC encoding) so I bought the Quadro P400

It's very real Nvidia limitations!

I will wait for 10Generation Intel desktop will be way better than current generation
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/10th-gen-intel-core-h-series-introduces-worlds-fastest-mobile-processor-5-3-ghz/#gs.2yrn2m
There's a comparison using PD Power Director


And I will trash my Quadro P400 on eBay for 20$


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That "trick" is stupid. The setting in cause applies ONLY to 3D portion of the card, to the 3D cores.
The hardware decoding/encoding is done with a different circuit inside the GPU (an ASIC, callend NVENC) and that menu doesn't anything to switch that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVENC

The only way to trully use that on a laptop is to buy one that has in BIOS the option to deactivate the intel GPU. That's not easy to find because it adds complexity to the screen connection (a digital multiplexer).
More info about that:
https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/20/81684

That's why I say that buying a gaming laptop or a cheap workstation one for video editing is a waste of money. You are better off using one without and sticking with Intel hardware encoding (theirs is called QuickSync).
My OneDrive is an full lifetime account from a Master Degree I took, so i Guess it does not have all the full features,
the storage I know is at the university campus equipment not at Microsoft servers.
Ex: I can't share files with people outside my group.

Point taken in OneDrive you have 2 kinds of storage:
1) Hot storage files are on OneDrive and your HD
2) Cold Storage all files are on OneDrive and OneDrive only downloads file to your HD when files are requested, and deletes them from HD when they are not in use for some time

In my case I only use, Hot Storage which means all files on OD are also on HD

But for what it matters is that my Dell PC was always crashing in my project.

Closed OneDrive and voilá crashes ended.


Kind regards to all PD Guys

Be creative








Quote Thanks for sharing your experience. I've edited many projects with the source files on OneDrive, but I always have the clips in OneDrive folders stored locally.

The problem might be occurring on your system if OneDrive is only storing placeholders locally and editing with PD requires OD to constantly access the cloud version. To change the settings, open File Explorer and right-click on the OneDrive folder where your clips are stored, then make sure this option is checked:



It may take a while for everything to get downloaded and the clips may take up a large amount of drive space, but having local copies should get rid of the crashes.

You can tell when the clips are ready for editing by the icon that shows up next to each OneDrive folder and file in File Explorer. Make sure you have the bottom icon showing:

Hi Guys,

Just to share some thing that happened to me

I was making a video with 8 tracks and using video files connected with onedrive and was always gettting blue screen dumping windows.

Because I was aware my all clips original source were on OneDrive (backup purpose) I tried closing OneDrive and puff the windows dumps and protected errors and sequencial reboot were gone.


Destination of video production was not on OneDrive !!!


If you are using vast amount of files on OneDrive, close it when working under PD that way your windows won't crash.


Kind regards
Thanks for your kind attention.

Sorry for the delay !

Surely this has something to do with nvidia policy regarding entry level Quadro cards.

Because like I said after boot SSD blew up and clean install of windows using Microsoft default driver for P400 CUDA was working in PD16, after I installed Nvidia recent drivers because I needed NVENC, CUDA option was off for PD

I came to the forum again to create another thread I was making a video with 8 tracks and using files connected with onedrive
was always blue screen dumping windows.

Because I was aware my all clips were on OneDrive (backup purpose) I tried closing OneDrive and puff the windows dumps and protected errors and sequencial reboot were gone.


Kind regards



Quote Nvidia deprecated their CUDA encoder, in favor of nvenc (hardware ASIC spearated from CUDA cores, used for example for streaming game videos).
So the only way CyberLink knows how to do hardware encoding is to use nvidia's code, because is freely included with the drivers.
That is is NVENC. It comes with some licensing restrictions and that's why EULA says you can't use the PC commercially.

Also they decided to code the rest of their software for use of OpenCL. Why they did that? IDK.
On one of my older laptops PD with Quadro from Fermi generation, and older PD, it still "serves" CUDA, but I had to use older NVIDIA drivers that still have CUDA encoding.

Now some of the effects, developed separatelly, still have CUDA capabilities. You can use those instead.
Vegas Pro uses OpenCL too and nvidia also behaves badly and the reviewer discovered a "fix":

https://techgage.com/article/exploring-magix-vegas-pro-16-gpu-performance/

In my nvidia control panel I have this:

Quote AFAIK CUDA is available only for old video cards that don't have the hardware NVENC. And only with older drivers that account for that.
Newer cards will switch to OpenCL. I don't know why, probably is laziness to program just one time for every GPU out there (nvidia, AMD, intel)?
Does nvidia's version of OpenCL is behind CUDA? Well... that's on them.

https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GTX-1080-OpenCL-vs-CUDA


Thanks for gaving the time for replying.

But the issue here is PD18.

As I saidthe timeline was this:

1) My boot SSD blew up
2) Bought another one, started everything from scracth windows 10 and on
3) Installed PD16, at this time PD was using CUDA and way faster. (At this time windows was using it's first install Quadro P400 driver)
4) Had the need to install Vidcoder which now is part of MS Store.
5) Vidcoder did not have NVENC
6) Downloaded and installed from nvidia driver for Quadro P400 in order to get NVENC for vidcoder
7) Vidcoder was ok then.
8 ) PD16 switched to OpenCL
9) Thought It was for beeing old PD16, so I bought PD 365 (PD18 )
10) Yet again PD18 did not let me switch HW acceleration to Cuda instead of OpenCL

Big suggestion to Cyberlink, works way faster like I said specialy in Multitrim using Cuda instead of OpenCL.

The ones who have these type of cards should get to option to choose between OpenCL or Cuda

And it's just the entry level for Quadro, imagine those who have high end Cuda cards ?

PS I also tried to rollback nvidia driver to the one windows 10 installed by default, but no success.


Thanks again for havind the time to respond.

Kind regards.
My boot SSD broken up.

So I bought another one and installed windows 10 from DVD again, at the begining
windows installed Nvidia Quadro P400 driver.

Installed more SW on it and finaly Powerdirector 16 at the time. While was using initial Nvidia driver installed during windows 10 install PD16 had enable NVIDIA CUDA choice by default

This image is taken from internet to show Enabled Nvidia CUDA


After that I installed Vidcoder and by default did not have NVENC turned on, so I downloaded and installed NVIDIA Driver for Quadro P400

When I got to PD16 The only encode available was OpenCL, which I must say way MORE SLOW than Nvidia CUDA.

I was so desperate because PD16 was so fast before OpenCL unchangable option and amazed how fast Nvidia CUDA was
specialy in MULTI-TRIM (I used shadow files bafore and after).

That I bought Powerdiretor 365, whcich has PD18.



Which only has OpenCL available !!!!

Total frustration! why can't I choose ?

Nvidia CUDA over OpenCL which makes PD fly !

Specialy in MultiTrim

Even on PD18.

Please help me get my speed back.


PS Tried uninstall Nvidia downloaded drivers to get back to windows 10 initial install drivers, but no sucess either


Guys PD using Nvidia CUDA is something to behold
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RuiFigueiredo1971, can't hurt putting in the suggestion again, but all was discussed years ago like here and contained link, https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/77620.page#post_box_317731 and was submitted as possible improvement when the forum used to host product improvement suggestions.

On the positive side, CL has however significantly unthrottled the process over the releases (primarily PD14 and PD15 changes) which has significantly improved shadow file generation times. The generation is still a throttled CPU process and since most users often caution about any editing prior to full generation is done as there was some poor experiences it only makes sense to give some additional control to the user via pref.

Jeff


Thank you guys for your very usefull input ! cause I did not know what was going on and now I do!


Sugestion to Cyberlink done !


Kind regards from Portugal
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No. I believe that shadow files are Cyberlink's way of trying to have their cake and eat it too, meaning that you're actually free to start editing right away while PD uses the CPU in the background to generate the files. If they had PD put more "effort" into background processing, that would diminish the resources needed for project editing, so it's a balancing act.

Depending on the type and number of clips and the system's processing abilities, using shadow files can work reasonably well. Also, the entire process is automated, so PD will use the low-res files when editing but then swaps in the full-res clips when producing. I haven't looked into it, but I don't think there's any practical way to manually make your own shadow files and point PD to them.

That's where MagicYUV (or really, any other lossless/intermediate codec) comes in. MagicYUV is a newer option, and in my experience, it's vastly faster to convert clips to and easier for PD to work with than the older codecs.

By making full resolution copies that are very easy for PD to work with, you get the very quick editing response without the long wait for the background, CPU-only processing. The downside is that you do have to complete the conversion before you start editing (or at least convert the first clip if there are many), and you need to have a large SSD to store the huge file(s) and retrieve the very high bitrate frames at a fast enough rate to keep up with PD's demand, especially when producing:



However, there's no right or wrong approach, just different levels of up-front vs. in-situ processing and hardware requirements but with similar end results. One may work better than the other with your projects, so try them both and decide for yourself.



Hi all,

And again thanks for having the time to read and respond this thread


You've said:
Depending on the type and number of clips and the system's processing abilities, using shadow files can work reasonably well.

I might add, PD works extremely well like that is shown in the pic I've already posted. I was using the time slider forward and backward hard and PD reacted without a minimun sign of lag when using shadow files. (Like I said before PD and Quadro P400 are a must have)




No. I believe that shadow files are Cyberlink's way of trying to have their cake and eat it too, meaning that you're actually free to start editing right away while PD uses the CPU in the background to generate the files. If they had PD put more "effort" into background processing, that would diminish the resources needed for project editing, so it's a balancing act.


Now to Cyberlink:
Feature recomendation for PD 18! Put it optional:

1) If people will want PD to work as is fine,

2) but put a flag somewhere, that if people choose that PD makes the shadow files first using GPU assisted before they get to editing is fine also, so when users choose this option they have conscience that PD is going to create shadow files first and only after this process ends, users can start editing. (Just like kind, you insert a big vid and you ask PD to separate scenes)
You know PD must act first before you can take any action.
(I have conscience I can do this now, put all the vids and wait for PD to create the shadow files, but why not using the GPU? way faster right?)

I would upgrade to PD18 in a blink of eye with this feature, and some users who don't have "ivory equipment", but instead somewhat good entry point equipment, like my case:

I7 6700 + Quadro P400 + 16gb Ram + SSDs




Till the next interaction, I leave this recomendation to Cyberlink.



Thanks a lot for your attention.



Kind regards all.
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Waiting for shadow files to finish being created has long been the the recommended approach whenever they're used. With a more powerful machine (see my system specs below), H.264 and H.265 4K 60p clips can be edited directly without shadow files, but it might struggle with ones encoded with VP9, especially if they're 60p.

There is also another option, which is to use an intermediate codec like MagicYUV to decompress high resolution/non-hardware-decoding-supported clips which makes it very easy for PD to work with them in real time. The downside is that the file size is many times bigger than the encoded original clip, but if you have a large SSD everything will run much smoother.

Converting to MagicYUV using VirtualDub2 is also much faster than waiting for shadow files. My system can process this VP9 4K 30p clip at 32 fps, meaning it takes about the same time to convert the clip as it would to play it back:



Here is the comparison of original and converted file sizes. You can really see how effective VP9 is at compressing tons of video detail into a very small file size!




First of all thanks for having the time to read my posting and answering.


Thanks for the advice you've put through your reply, did not know magic yuv neither mediainfo (which helps a lot for us to see whats beneath the vids), but in my pc extremely painfull also. just a simple i7 6700 and a Quadro P400.

I'm just an amateur doing my kids holidays and less much, that first shot of youtube video was just an example.
Most of all I use is h264 which is the codec of my cameras.


I was in doubt whether it was some misconfiguration on my PC !

But you have answered it all my doubts ! Thanks !



  • "Waiting for shadow files to finish being created has long been the the recommended approach whenever they're used."


I think that Cyberlink PD should be using GPU assisted to create the shadow files, which by the way they aren't and it is such an obvious feature that I don't imagine why it is not there !




Is there a way to make the "shadow files" in vidcoder (which uses GPU assisted) and put them in the right folder ?
Then theres no need to left the PC hours downscaling the vids ?









Kind regards
Quote Noticed in your screenshot that you could be using a uhd video downloaded from YouTube in the VP9 format. Do not know if you have shadow files enabled which can help or if your preview resolution is set to high which can also help. Do not believe that the VP9 codec is supported in PD16 so shadow files is a must. PD17 has the VP9 support.


Hi,

Thanks a lot for replying, it did a little help, but I noticed something wrong again.


1) Added shadow files at 720 resolution







2) But still PD when downscaling the "shadow files" is way too SLOW because it is only using CPU !





3) For example when I use vidcoder to downscale some vid it uses both CPU and GPU thus way faster







4) But when shadow files are made (Albeit being a extremely slow process) PD multi trim works great !







Botton line if you use PD to edit 4k vids, you must use shadow files, but it is better to let PD
doing the shadow files during the night !!!!

Too slow process due to lack of optimization.

Or is someting wrong with my config ?



Thanks for reading


Kind regards
Hi all,

PD was very slow on my i7-6700, so I've bought a Quadro P400, and PD and Quadro simply are made to be together, a match I must say !

Everything is awesome now, except !!

One thing remains slow: Multi trim.

1) From previewing the footage
2) to the buttons frame by frame.

Albeit not on full power usage
CPU ~30%
GPU ~1%
SSDs ~1%

Painfully slow, really!!

Any one can help? does any one found a solution or is this PD problem ?



Thanks in advance for reading.


Kind regards.



Hello

In Powerdirector 16,

How can I trim 0,2 seconds on the beginning and 0,2 seconds in the end of EVERY clip in the project ?,
without doing it clip by clip individualy.

Thanks guys for your time.

Best regards.
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