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Thanks, Al. Lots of useful info! I agree that the autodownload is a problem and hopefully MS will be rethinking that.
Referal to DOS reveals something about our ages I would probably also try Win 10 on a Surface Pro but I have lost my desktop pioneering spirit!
You can stop forced AutoUpdate in my link above Microsoft Backtracks On Windows 10 Forced Updates
Good Luck - Al
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Hi - thanks for the info. In my Forbes Tech link above on multi-monitor problems it says
"Dreadful Drivers - The flaw revolves around Nvidia graphics cards with users taking to Nvidia’s forums to report Windows Update is automatically installing new drivers which break multimonitor setups, SLI (dual card) configurations and can even stop PCs booting entirely which pushes Windows 10 into its emergency recovery mode.
The problem is compounded by the fact that Windows Update doesn’t actually reveal driver version numbers prior to install or warn the user in advance so pinpointing something that has suddenly caused problems can be hard to identify."
I'm not suggesting that is your problem, nor that it's definitely Win 10 and not PDR13 which we know has Nvidia driver problems in 8.1.
My point is simply this -
I have had the unfortunate experience of every new Windows release since DOS - in true pioneering spirit! The most stable new release was Win 7 following the Vista disaster. We are only weeks into Win 10 and general consensus is that, unlike Win 7, Microsoft was premature in their release of Win 10.
Worse still, it appears that they have held back the release of commercial versions of Win 10 expecting "free" Home users to sort out the bugs and compatibility issues - so we are really still doing Beta testing for them.
Here is another link - Windows 10 Review Roundup: High Scores, Big Bugs
There are no real advantages of moving to Win 10 yet. The core is very similar to 8.1, performance about the same, and the biggest marketing attraction is the new GUI which most Win 8,1 users like me have sorted out. It will improve and things like Direct X 12 look promising for gamers.
This obviously also makes life tough for software developers like Cyberlink.
This is not my opinion, but I do agree with the experts. It will probably be the best Windows release ever due to it's cross platform compatibility allowing you to do the same things on your smartphone, tablet, and desktop - BUT NOT YET!
It has taken me (and Cyberlink) a year to have a stable system on Win 8.1 and I'm still being annoyed by Microsoft daily by automatically download Win 10 and trying to force me to upgrade. The real problem is that 30 days later Win 10 become irreversable - and even the "roll back" doesn't always work!
So if you want to avoid the "arrows", stay away from "Bleeding Edge" technology and wait for the next major release in Oct(?) and the transition should be much easier.
Al
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I agree with Paul. If you render your project first to h.264 the re-import to create your DVD results seem better - but I don't know why - may have something to do with 8 bit color??
I was very disappointed with my first DVD's quality from HD clips.
Al
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It should be - and you will have it when you decide to produce 4k later on. New GoPro produces amazing 2k & 4k "on your head".
You can zoom crop and pan down to 1/4 of a 4k image and still have 1080 HD.
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Here are the reasons - please read my post here - Windows 10 Compatibility and User Problems
Thanks
Al
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All INTEL Graphics users please note that this may not be a Cyberlink problem - and please re-think Win10 upgrade
Inetl has acknowledged that Win 10 users are experiencing problems with the latest Intel HD Graphics drivers released for Win 10. They are working on the problem and will release new drivers soon - this includes the 4600 GPU which PDR13 Win 10 users have reported problems.
Please see my post above of 08/08/2015 - "A word of caution." It is just not possible for any "compatability checker" to test everything. Don't be in a hurry to switch to Windows 10 - and if you have already, remember you have ONE Month to roll back to 7 or 8.1. Quote "If it works - don't fix it!" We have a year to upgrade free. AVI files are also working fine on 8.1.
Intel Support - I installed Windows 10. Intel HD graphics 4000 driver (latest from June 2015) is not accepted by Windows 10. What's wrong? (see post no. 14 from Intel and 15)
YahooTech - 8 Reasons Not to Upgrade to Windows 10
Infoworld - Win 10 Bugs
"Windows 10, Threshold 2, due to debut in October. Instead of new features, we’re getting plumbing fixes and a passel of patches. Threshold 2 (I think of it as “Service Pack 1” ) could bring a host of new features, many of which were painfully missing from the RTM (er, 10240) build on July 29."
Also Win 10 causing multi-monitor problems
ForbesTech -Windows 10 Automatic Updates Start Causing Problems
So, if you can, hold off till Oct for Threshold2.
For those stuck on Win 10 here is a way to stop forced updates. Things like graphics drivers are not always the latest or best from Microsoft so most users will want to control graphics updates.
ForbesTech - Microsoft Backtracks On Windows 10 Forced Updates
For those who hate the Win 8.1 Start Menu GUI you don't have to jump to Win 10
How to Get the Real Start Menu Back in Windows 8 or 8.1
Give Cyberlink and Microsoft a little time to iron out the wrinkles - I would even suggest that Win 10 users refer problems to Cyber Support and let this forum stay focused on PDR13 - but maybe I'm getting old and grumpy
Al
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A word of caution:
I may be getting old and losing my "pioneering spirit" but I have been through every Windows release since DOS and have had some rough times - the worst being XP to Vista and then Vista to Win 7.
I have been following the feedback of major PC publications since Win 10 release last month. General consensus is that Microsoft may have rushed things a bit and that 8.1 users should wait a few months until patches fix driver compatibility issues etc.
Also for those having issues with Win 10 and PDR13 you have ONE MONTH from upgrading to roll back to 7 or 8.1.
It took me long enough to have a stable PDR13 under 8.1 but now issues may with Win 10 and not Cyberlink.
Remember it's always easy to spot a "Pioneer".
He's the one out in front of everyone else - with the arrows in his chest!
We have a year to take advantage of the free upgrade and in reality, Win 10 benchmarks are slightly slower than 8.1. I have a 3rd party Win 7 type Start Menu so I intend leave it to the Pioneers for a while and focus on PDR13.
According to current estimates there are still 250-300 million Windows XP users out there - a 13 year old operating system which is no longer supported - but it worked.
Al
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How do should you operate if you are to make a video out of clips of 60 and 50 fps? I am in PAL country and have two cameras with different outputs.
Thanks
Some NLE products claim they handle mixed formats, frame rates etc but I think PDR13 gives best results when you try to match input with planned output. I assume assume you want to produce PAL HD (25 or 50fps). 60fps is NTSC. I don't have access to a NTSC camera but suggest you do a simple test - first add a 50fps and a 60fps clip to your timeline and produce a H.264 HD file at 50fps PAL. Next use the same two clips in a new project but first convert the 60fps clip to 50fps using a 3rd party program. Add your original 50fps clip plus your now converted clip to the timeline and repeat the test above and compare the H.264 output files. THis should tell you if is is better to convert your 60fps NTSC videos to 50fps before you edit, OR if there is no noticable difference, then just use PDR13 and skip the conversion.
Make sure your PDR13 Settings General is set to 50fps(PAL) before you start. PDR13 may give you a warning when you add the 60fps clip to the timeline. Just ignore it and continue.
Al
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At the risk of opening a "can of worms" I am technically challenged when it comes to Codecs.
I love PDR13 but have had mixed results in output quality including DVD and BluRay and am concerned about the resources needed for 4k.
As a result I have been testing other NLE software including EDIUS 7.5 and 8 from Grass Valley (formerly Canopus).
As I understand it, quality (8 bit and 10 bit) and hardware demands can be dependent on the intermediate Codec used. I see visibly improved results from EDIUS when I compare two identical projects. Grass Valley claims that the quality is due to their 10 bit codec (HQX, and Lossless) as well as realtime (no render) 4k editing with 4k preview on single Core i7 CPU and a mid-range Graphics Card. Thier codecs were proprietary but now are a free download for all to use.
"Grass Valley HQ, HQX and Lossless
Color Spaces - 4:2:2, 4:4:4.
Bit Depths - 8,10
Resolutions - HQ -1280x720, 1920x1080. HQX and Lossless - Resolution independent, 24x24 through 8192x4320
Multi platform professional codecs. Can be decoded and encoded by any NLE that uses Quicktime components or VFW once the codecs are installed. VBR (HQ, HQX) - The bit rate is user selectable. HQX has internal Alpha channel support. The lossless codec appears to be mathematically lossless. Multi-threaded and 32/64 bit.. Freely distributable.
Grass Valley HQX, as an intermediate codec, is specifically designed for editing and post-production: Can withstand re-encoding without significant quality loss. Is built for high speed and low-CPU usage."
White Paper Info http://www.grassvalley.com/docs/WhitePapers/professional/edius/GVB-1-0027A-EN-WP_Intro_HQX.pdf
If I install this codec will PDR13 use it as an intermediate codec via Quicktime?
What Codec ooes PDR3 use?
There are other available codecs like Cineform (10bit and 12 bit up to 4k), MagicYUV (A new lossless codec for the 4K and multi-core era), etc.
Al
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It's my fault.
I was having a problem following all of Win 10 posts as I have not yet upgraded and was hoping to consolidate all posts to a sticky to make it easier to track upgrade problems - but I see users are still creating new Win10 threads and not using the sticky.
Sorry
Al
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Thanks - I appreciate your efforts. I'll stay away from Win 10 until Intel HD Graphics is working. Plz let me know if you succeed.
Al
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Same issue with all compatible Win 10 64 Bit drivers.
That one was only released a few days ago. Did you try it?
Al
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No, thanks. It doesn't help in Windows 10 64Bit. Green Screen Still there.
In Windows 8.1 all Drivers works perfectly.
Still sounds like a driver problem. Have you tried this version win64_154004 released 07/28/2015?
Intel® Iris™, Iris™ Pro, and HD Graphics Production Driver for Windows* 10 64-bit
Al
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Please see the thread
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/43784.page
It's a tough call.
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...shoot/edit in 4K and render into 1080
If I'm remembering correctly, some people here suggest shooting in the res you plan to render to. Somthing about not loosing quality in the conversion. This may also be something to get advice on and consider.
It is confusing - at best. If he is rendering to HD I don't see the point of a 4k monitor - even the prieview window won't display 4k.
In theory if you output HD you will have better quality with 2k or 4k clips if you zoom, pan, or crop. 2k has twice the resolution of HD and 4k four times so using 2k you could zoom or crop half of the frame and still have HD, and 4k down to a quarter of the frame.
This is true in other edit software but I'm not sure if PDR13 will give you the same results. Other forum members have suggested that PDR13 gives best quality when input equals output - if you want HD out you should use HD source vids and pics. So I am still confused.
Al
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jcardana
Thanks I am a bit confused - but that is not unusual at my age.
My PC config is below. I want to use my SSD for Win 8.1 and PDR13 with Office, etc installed on my HD. Plus my Virtual memory for Windows.
I assume your Storage folder is on your SSD but documents are on your HD - how did you do that?
I created a Programs folder on my HD and install all other software there (program files but don't have an (x86) folder for 32 bit apps.
So far everything is working OK but I'm not sure if I've done it right. Also will Win 10 upgrade see my apps on the HD if my Win8.1 is on the SSD (C: drive)??
Thanks Al
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I use 2560 with my GoPro.
It's not a case of using 2k for TV viewing.
In theory if you output HD you will have better quality with 2k or 4k clips if you zoom, pan, or crop. 2k has twice the resolution of HD and 4k four times so using 2k you could zoom or crop half of the frame and still have HD, and 4k down to a quarter of the frame.
This is true in other edit software but I'm not sure if PDR13 will give you the same results. Other forum members have suggested that PDR13 gives best quality when input equals output - if you want HD out you should use HD source vids and pics. So I am still confused.
Al
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I'm afraid that 4k is a reality worldwide (even in South Africa) for both TVs and Cameras.
One of the big advantages of editing in 4k is that 4k is four times the resolution of HD so even if you output HD you will still get full HD when you zoom or pan down to 1/4 of the image.
The next advantage is when we get 4k DVDs we can produce 4k quality with our original projects. Until then, we can view 4 on our UHDTVs with H.264 4k files.
It is possible to edit 4k in real-time (no shadow files) without waiting 3-5 years for future hardware.
As an example I am using Edius software from Grass Valley. This is professional high-end editing software that we used to associate with expensive hardware (Dual Xenon etc) but works fine on single i7 CPU systems.
Edius is not a competitor to PDR13 as it is very expensive professional level software and I'm using it to show that the technology is possible.
Here is a video from 2013 Using an older Core i7 950 with 6Gb ram and NVIDIA 9800Gt with 512Mb using Edius 7 and a Canon EOS-1D C 4k. Real-time performance even works with a Core i5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXtfdhT8A2k#t=21
Next is an example from 2014 of realtime editing using native 4k footage from a Panasonic Lumix and Edius 7 on a Core i7 4790k with 16Gb memory and NVIDIA midrange graphics card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwTc5Rjdm-o
Next is Edius 8 (latest) on a Core i7 4710MQ 2,5Ghz laptop with 16Gb memory and Win 8.1 (about $1500) showing the speed of Intel QuickSync and the Intel Graphics 4600 on the CPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc2GxrvZKhs
Some of the performance may be due to the "lossless" codec they have developed but it's available for free here.
http://www.grassvalley.com/products/hqx_codec
They say the codec works with any editing software that uses Quicktime and remains loslees for 10 generations!
Is there a way to try the codec with PDR13?
So software is as important as hardware and it is possible to edit in realtime with today's technology and a reasonably priced PC.
Cyberklnk can also do it.
Al
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I may be confused but I simply add the rendered projects in MP4 BluRay quality, then add new chapters and Produce Disk???
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Has Cyberlink made a statement regarding Win 10 support?
Can we create a dual boot system with 8.1 and 10 using the Win 10 upgrade? If so can we legally install PDR13 on both?
We don't want to take the plunge to 10 until we are sure PDR13 is working and stable which took a long time on 8.1.
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Have you tried Cyberlink Support?
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