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Thanks Tony
Great tips.
What size were your Olympus @ Pana pics?
Did you re-size the pics before each test?
Unfortunately DVD has not died for many of us. If I have a HD timeline with Pics and HD clips and I use Magic Motion on my pics to pan & zoom as a slide show, would it help to render the slide shows to HD first and then bring them back in the timeline, as clips, to combine with HD vid clips?
If so which HD format is best?
I want to use the HD project to produce BluRay and normal DVDs?
Thanks,
Al
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Thanks Jeff,
What is your feeling regarding his CPU choice for PDR14?
Will a six core i7-5930K running at 3.5ghz be better than an i7-6700K running at 4.0ghz?
What about Intel 530 Graphics with Quick Sync on the 6700K vs none on the 5930K?
Al
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Hoping the hardware guru's can provide some sage advice...
CPU - The newer Skylake i7 6700K Quad core or the Haswell-E i7 5930 6 core
The 6700K looks faster for single core operations, but the 5930 is better for multi core, which should be better for video editing? Also, the 5930 supports up to 64GB of RAM vs 32GB for the 6700K... I'm thinking the 6 core cpu with 64GB of memory is going to be better in many of these applications... how much would PD14 take advantage of that? (would you add the extra memory if you had the chance?)
Thanks in advance!
Hi 18tillidie
I've been having the same upgrade debate. I like the new 6 (and 8 ) core cpus like the i7-5930 but am confused about two things:
1) The 5930 has more cores but slower clock (3.5-3.7ghz) speed than the 6700K (4.0-4.2ghz) and the 6700K can still be overclocked. I see more cores as more CPUs which assumes a degree of parallel processing. I'm not sure how 6 cores and 12 threads will affect PDR14 vs the 6700K with 4 cores and 8 threads at faster speed.
2) Last time I checked the 6700K has latest Intel HD Graphics 530 engine with 4K and DirX 12 support and 5930 did not. Intel Quick Sync (part of Intel HD Graphics) has had a significant positive effect on PDR14 H.264 render times.
So I'm leaning toward the faster 4 core 6700K with Quick Sync vs 6 slower cores and no Quick Sync.
I'm hoping Jeff can shed some light.
Al
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Thanks Paul,
Will be interesting to hear if it works with PDR 14. How's the Wildebeest going?
Hope Jan didn't upset you. He has offended many forum users with his crazy comments, offensive language and failed to make a single contribution. If he from Holland he is giving his country a bad name.
Please ask the moderator to remove him and his posts.
Best Regards,
Al
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Reducing bitrate will reduce your file size but may also noticeably reduce your video quality. You can try H.265/HEVC which can reduce file size and produce higher quality at lower bitrates - if your client can use it.
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Thanks Pepsiman!
Always great to see your informative contributions.
Goo advice and info - thanks.
I'm going to wait for the next gen as you suggest.
Can't wait to see my GIGOTS run even faster 
Al
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Thanks Jeff,
I also use Cineform via GP Studio and it is a great codec which has now been integrated into NLEs like DaVinci Resolve and Adobe. I haven't experienced a data rate problem to date using MagicYUV or Cineform. Robert has realtime 4k preview with MAGIC+PDR and like me has no GTX GPU - just Intel 4600 integrated graphics.
My question was regarding this thread on GTX960 performance issues and whether they are really worth the money for PDR looking ahead at my next upgrade.
It's a bit off topic but I could not find an easy way of converting the myriad of formats not supported by GoPro Studio to Cineform for use in PDR. How do you do it?
Al
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Might be a conflict with your GPU. PDR has had many GPU support problems. Your system has plenty of horsepower and PDR should run smoothly. Try tech support - it's free.
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Thanks SoNic67 - Agreed Good advice thanks.
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Hi Guys,
Sorry to digress but I'm getting old and easily confused. Can you summarize all these tests into a "recommended" PC hardware config and then a "power" config for 4k etc?
Is the value in these GPUs in faster render, preview, or encoding?
Are they worth it if H.265 is not a requirement? My impression is that for slightly higher compression than H.264, it needs a lot more horsepower - to compress and decompress so H.265 isn't one of my priorities for now.
I'm also "gun shy" based on the continued user problems posted on the forum with GTX GPUs.
My work is currently HD only and I am still amazed at how well my little i5 CPU with Intel 4600 GPU and Quick Sync work for my H.264 work. I can even get 4k realtime preview using Optodata's MAGIC+PDR.
My instinct says that PDR has not been optimized for GTX GPUs like DaVinci Resolve 12 - which makes extensive use of of their power and even recommends multiple top-end discrete GPUS. Another famous Pro NLE is GV Edius 8 which performs without high-end GPUs but makes good use of CPU power and lots of memory.
As far as I can tell, PDR uses a limited amount of memory and adding more than 16GB doesn't help.
My thinking is (please help) that I will wait for next gen Intel CPUs later this year and then go for a new Mobo, 6-10 core CPU, bigger faster SSD and try out PDR with latest Intel Graphics. (Has anyone tested PDR with Intel HD-530 graphics?) All for the price of a high-end GPU (I don't do gaming). CPU will also have full 4k support and the HEVC/H.265 codec which is expected to be used in 4k streaming and 4k BluRay Discs so I will need it when I move to 4k.
Is my thinking wrong?
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Thanks Maliek. Great work as usual!
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Strange - 4k preview is a problem but that should not happen with HD. No better after re-install? Do you have the latest version of Quicktime? If not, update and try again.
Have you applied latest updates to Power Director?
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Thanks guys!
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First try to reduce the preview quality and see if it works.
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I sincerely hope this all gets resolved but just a simple question. Are expensive discrete GPU cards really worth the cost for those of us who don't need H.265 and already have Intel integrated graphics GPU?
Do they really boost render speed and realtime 4k preview enough to justify the expense?
When I tested other professional NLE software (PDR14 is not for commercial use) it becomes even more confusing.
DaVinci Resolve makes use of expensive GPU power and even supports and recommends multiple cards.
Grass Valley Edius 8 makes little use of GPUs and use more CPU power - yet their 4k editing works flawlessly with realtime preview on a mid-range i7 and a cheap graphics card. It seems software design has a lot to do with hardware use. Also they have improved H.264 render speed by 5X using Intel GPU QuickSync.
What to PDR14 users expect to gain by purchasing an expensive discrete GPU card? Based on the posts I have tried to follow over the past couple of years (this is not a new problem) they seem to gain more problems than benefits.
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Would be nice to see that either a patch or the new release would address the need for the 'Magic' thing you worked on Al - with optodata and several others. Is this one of the requests in the 'suggestions' thread for new PD versions?
Anyway, Happy New Year folks!
CS
Thanks CS,
Ron's "Magic Thing" would make a huge difference to PDR14. I had the idea but couldn't work out how to use it easily with PD. Ron spent an untold amout of time putting it into a user friendly form for all. I may have had the "inspiration" but Ron and Robert had the "perspiration" from creating and testing many possible solutions. Now that our users have done the work, it would be nice if Cyberlink would just incorporate it into PD. Users are trying to overcome PD's realtime preview problems with more expensive hardware "horsepower" but few realise that Robert is editing 4k with realtime preview and he doesn't even have a graphics card in his PC! It is Magic!
If Cyberlink fails to incorporate it - I think I may have found the hardware solution for our users.
Intel's 72-core processor jumps from supercomputers to workstations
"The Knights Landing chip can deliver over 3 teraflops of peak performance, which is roughly in the range of
some high-performance graphics chips used in the world's fastest supercomputers."
Maybe next Christmas.
Al
(I still can't work out how to change the font color for a link - hence all thedits of this post)
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With so many users still on PDR13, it is still a "current version" and not a "previous version" to be dumped into the old versions thread which are no longer supported.
Seems their strategy is to get us to buy a new version every year, hoping that the requested fixes in the current version will somehow be miraculously cured.
It's a sad testament that when users are still deciding whether to upgrade to PDR14, the forum already has a long wishlist for PDR15 - which looks a lot like the old PDR14 wishlist from the PDR13 forum thread.
Do we really think the next version will solve the problems and shortcomings of the current version?
If they don't fix PDR14 then they have a guaranteed market for PDR15.
Power Director users seem to be eternal optimists.
Despite Cyberlink's disappoionting track record, I must say that I know of no other NLE user forum where the members dedicate so much of thier time to supporting and helping others. They are the main reason I stick with Power Director.
A sincere thanks to you all - and best wishes for the New Year.
Al
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http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-e-specifications-leaked-core-i7-6950x-flagship-processor-10-cores-20-threads-core-i7-6900k-core-i7-6850k-core-i7-6800k-detailed/
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chuckpuckett
All good advice above. Sounds like a simple question but it's tough to spec even a desktop for video editing - most will say hardware recommendation is "as much as you can afford".
Bear in mind that even the most potent laptop cannot give you the functions of a large screen - or better yet dual large screen desktop with a multi terabyte raid0 7200 rpm high capacity HDD and a SDD for software, 16GB + memory etc. Core i7 six and eight core CPUs coming in 2016.
Despite all the buzz laptop makers generate about how fantastic their products are, the truth remains that a desktop computer will perform better at video editing and most resource hungry tasks than its portable counterpart at any given price point. A 15.6" laptop screen is too small for editing. I just don't like any laptop screen or keyboard so I wouldn't attempt editing on even the most expensive laptop.
If portability is a must and the compromise is acceptable then realistically you don't want to waste money so I would consider the following:
Are you using 4k or will you be soon? 4K is a challenge for desktop hardware.
How important is H.265 vs H.264?
How much HDD storage do you need - a high capacity USB3 external HDD may help.
When I am on the move I take a mid-range Lenovo i3 15" laptop with a 3TB USB3 external HDD. I use the laptop to preview my camera footage daily and dump it to the external HDD for later editing and clear the cameras sd cards.
Here is some more info from independent sources.
https://www.wiknix.com/best-laptop-for-video-editing-2015/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/167156-the-best-laptops-for-video-editing
https://www.rocketstock.com/blog/how-to-pick-the-perfect-laptop-for-video-editing/
Good luck,
Al
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PepsiMan.
With the new 6 and 8 core I7's coming from Intel in 2016 you can change "GIGO" to "GIGOTS"
ie - "Garbage In Garbage Out at Terrific Speed"
Al
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Did an edit to better explain
Hi Jan,
I seem to get better quality from PDR13/14 when I use GPStudio and Cineform to trim and convert to AVI before editing with PDR13/14. Have you seen any difference in final PDR output?
Al
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