for now buy the GTX960 or GTX950 for your system. why?

for me, i am waiting for an intel cpu that'll fully process HW 8/10bit 4.2.2 HEVC H.265 later this year!

i do not know the projected prices for new cpu, though.



SoNic67, JL_JL, Julien Pierre to name a few who are knowledgeable in IT side of the things

can answer technically better than the grasshopper who knows just enough to be dangerous...



meanwhile you can read on AnandTech's ->

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/4



happy hunting

PepsiMan

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Thanks PM. Was about to order and now I think I may hold out a little. Any idea on price, does anyone know? Phill - Cronin Communication
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PC spec: Win 10pro (64) - i7-4770 - 16Gb Ram - 128 SSD - Radeon R7 200

replace your r7 with GTX960 now to complement the PD14.

then wait till later June for the Kaby Lake or Scooter Cannonball Lake core that

will HW process 8 bit / 10 bit 4.2.2 HEVC H.265.



ask SoNic67 or JL_JL on your thread.



happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

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Hey everyone,

I'm new to PD14 (convert from Pinnacle Studio). I found this thread when trying to figure out if my rendering was unusually slow. I have an 11min 1080p/60 movie that took nearly 1h 20m to render. It's an action cam video of an obstacle course race so I time-shift most of the running and then do normal speed for the obstacles. Given that my configuration closely matches that of Julien Pierre and my results of the "kite surfing.wmv" perf test are near identical to his I figured that this is as good as it gets. However it did get me wondering, are there other commonly used benchmark scenarios to compare performance? Rendering PC Specs:
i7-5820K @ 3.30GHz (6 Core, HT)
GTX 970 w/ 4GB GDDR5
32 GB RAM
512 GB SSD (Crucial MX100)
Win10 Pro 64-bit
PD14

Quote: Hey everyone,

I'm new to PD14 (convert from Pinnacle Studio). I found this thread when trying to figure out if my rendering was unusually slow. I have an 11min 1080p/60 movie that took nearly 1h 20m to render. It's an action cam video of an obstacle course race so I time-shift most of the running and then do normal speed for the obstacles. Given that my configuration closely matches that of Julien Pierre and my results of the "kite surfing.wmv" perf test are near identical to his I figured that this is as good as it gets. However it did get me wondering, are there other commonly used benchmark scenarios to compare performance?

I don't know of any official benchmark database of test timelines to run against. Usually things just created on the fly for simple demonstrations. I created the initial sample here, which was copied by Tony, as a simple means of measuring pure transcode performance. Berated by some, but none the less, a simple test to form a simple comparison. It does not represent any typical timeline so has limitations but does give a view of comparable hardware performance for simple transcoding.

Another similar test was here http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25/43784.page#226790 with the 3_3_wall.pds as it can stress different encoding aspects.

Your 1080p/60 not too informative as to what you really are doing during "Produce" operation, but 80min to encode 11min timeline is very poor if no special coloring or the like done, simple timeline speedup won't affect like that.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the feedback, I'll give that other test a try. What surprised me during the 80 minute render was that it seemed like all the major performance indicators were idle, CPU, RAM, Disk, nothing was really working very hard at all. What I wasn't monitoring though was the GPU, as I wasn't aware of GPU-Z yet. I'm going to add some titles and re-render that movie so I'll have GPU-Z running then.

As for the "Produce" operation details, I selected H.264 AVC, M2TS format, AVC 1920 x 1080/60p (28 Mbps). I had Fast video rendering technology checked and Hardware video encoder selected.

The movie itself was made from 30 .mp4 clips recorded at 1080/60p which averaged 3-5 minutes each. In some cases I had 3 minutes of video time shifted to 3 seconds. Other than an opening title, one 30 second clip of image stabilization, and a couple fade transitions there wasn't anything really fancy there. This was my first effort with the software, so I'm still very much trying to figure out what works best.

I'd appreciate any insight or direction you can point me in.

Thanks!

Jason Rendering PC Specs:
i7-5820K @ 3.30GHz (6 Core, HT)
GTX 970 w/ 4GB GDDR5
32 GB RAM
512 GB SSD (Crucial MX100)
Win10 Pro 64-bit
PD14

Added titles, and this time I produced the movie using XAVC S 1920 x 1080/60p (27 Mbps) in MP4 format. This also took 80 minutes to render 11m 37s of video. GPU-Z showed the GPU load occasionally as high as 20%, but mostly idle. I suspect the issue is all the clips where I used the Power Tools Settings to adjust the video speed. Curious if there is anything I can do to speed up rendering these clips? Rendering PC Specs:
i7-5820K @ 3.30GHz (6 Core, HT)
GTX 970 w/ 4GB GDDR5
32 GB RAM
512 GB SSD (Crucial MX100)
Win10 Pro 64-bit
PD14

Quote: Added titles, and this time I produced the movie using XAVC S 1920 x 1080/60p (27 Mbps) in MP4 format. This also took 80 minutes to render 11m 37s of video. GPU-Z showed the GPU load occasionally as high as 20%, but mostly idle. I suspect the issue is all the clips where I used the Power Tools Settings to adjust the video speed. Curious if there is anything I can do to speed up rendering these clips?

Not sure on how much speedup you are doing or extent of 11m timeline speedup but if both substantial amounts, turning on pref > Hardware Acceleration > Enable hardware decode will help (depending on source footage specifics) in that situation since you have a GTX970. Additionally, the stabilized clip/clips are extremely time consuming with PD, only thing to really do here with current PD is a faster CPU so you are stuck with what you have.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff, I already had Enable hardware decode enabled, so it's probably as good as its gonna get. It just seems odd that in that 80 rendering time none of my system resources seem busy at all, CPU doesn't really go above 20% and most of the time is well below that.

I think what I'll try is taking the clips that I am speeding up and rendering them separately, then using those rendered clips as assets on my timeline so that I can render the main the movie without have to reprocess them each time. Rendering PC Specs:
i7-5820K @ 3.30GHz (6 Core, HT)
GTX 970 w/ 4GB GDDR5
32 GB RAM
512 GB SSD (Crucial MX100)
Win10 Pro 64-bit
PD14

Quote: I think what I'll try is taking the clips that I am speeding up and rendering them separately, then using those rendered clips as assets on my timeline so that I can render the main the movie without have to reprocess them each time.

Of course that will speed the final render up, but you have to pay the fiddler the same amount to do the initial encoding. If you select proper pre rendering format you can use SVRT on final render and your 11min project of fully pre rendered clips of same format will take seconds to produce. Nothing gained overall unless you use the clips in several different timelines, then the savings.

Jeff

Hi Guys,
Sorry to digress but I'm getting old and easily confused. Can you summarize all these tests into a "recommended" PC hardware config and then a "power" config for 4k etc?

Is the value in these GPUs in faster render, preview, or encoding?

Are they worth it if H.265 is not a requirement? My impression is that for slightly higher compression than H.264, it needs a lot more horsepower - to compress and decompress so H.265 isn't one of my priorities for now.
I'm also "gun shy" based on the continued user problems posted on the forum with GTX GPUs.

My work is currently HD only and I am still amazed at how well my little i5 CPU with Intel 4600 GPU and Quick Sync work for my H.264 work. I can even get 4k realtime preview using Optodata's MAGIC+PDR.

My instinct says that PDR has not been optimized for GTX GPUs like DaVinci Resolve 12 - which makes extensive use of of their power and even recommends multiple top-end discrete GPUS. Another famous Pro NLE is GV Edius 8 which performs without high-end GPUs but makes good use of CPU power and lots of memory.

As far as I can tell, PDR uses a limited amount of memory and adding more than 16GB doesn't help.

My thinking is (please help) that I will wait for next gen Intel CPUs later this year and then go for a new Mobo, 6-10 core CPU, bigger faster SSD and try out PDR with latest Intel Graphics. (Has anyone tested PDR with Intel HD-530 graphics?) All for the price of a high-end GPU (I don't do gaming). CPU will also have full 4k support and the HEVC/H.265 codec which is expected to be used in 4k streaming and 4k BluRay Discs so I will need it when I move to 4k.

Is my thinking wrong? Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer

The only place where you are wrong is using bigger, faster SSD. SSD's don't affect the rendering speed, reading and writhing are limited by the processing of the video, you can use a slow laptop HDD with the same results. Plus, SSD will wear quickly with the repeated write cycles from video editing.

You can use SSD for operating system and the rest of installed programs, but not for the actual video.

Thanks SoNic67 - Agreed Good advice thanks. Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
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Quote: Thanks SoNic67 - Agreed Good advice thanks.

AIS, I'd normally agree for a general PD user but not sure about that for you, it really depends how you use your, optodata and the shadowman MAGIC+PDR. I've used Cineform instead but overall approach has similar data rates. A single RAW 4k file in these formats can be 30-50MB/s, not little "b" as in a compressed codec data rate but big "B". If I use these files in 4 video tracks to do some PIP work it will put a huge playback strain on most HDD's, ~200MB/sec and playback in PD will not be fluent. If you only use a single video track in your editing with these files, no problem. A single high end HDD will playback choke at these data rates. I'm sure you are all too familiar with these data rates anyhow based on MAGIC+PDR development and testing. Of course, there are much cheaper ways to get appropriate data speeds and longevity vs a large SSD.

There are posts in the forum on 6700 and 6600k Skylake (both HD-530) encode performance vs GTX960, do a search.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff,
I also use Cineform via GP Studio and it is a great codec which has now been integrated into NLEs like DaVinci Resolve and Adobe. I haven't experienced a data rate problem to date using MagicYUV or Cineform. Robert has realtime 4k preview with MAGIC+PDR and like me has no GTX GPU - just Intel 4600 integrated graphics.
My question was regarding this thread on GTX960 performance issues and whether they are really worth the money for PDR looking ahead at my next upgrade.

It's a bit off topic but I could not find an easy way of converting the myriad of formats not supported by GoPro Studio to Cineform for use in PDR. How do you do it?


Al Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
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AIS.

happy lunar new year and everyone.

this grasshopper didn't forget your GIGO to GIGOTS...

i am patiently waiting for kaby lake or scooter cannonball lake which they're capable of rendering

8/10 bit 4.2.2 HEVC H.265.

Quote: There are posts in the forum on 6700 and 6600k Skylake (both HD-530) encode performance vs GTX960,

do a search...

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46535.page;jsessionid=69F8A3498DB3A99BBB6AE70142FCBDAB



besides if you've read the news, Microsoft will not be supporting Windows 10 OS with older cpus than Skylake.

so here I am waiting patiently for ' Garbage In Garbage Out at Terrific Speed'



happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan



p.s.

have you tried free RockyMountains Movie Converter? i don't know if MediaExpresso can do it.

RMMC will convert to ProRes 4.2.2 or 4.4.4... i used this program with PD12 & PD13. 'no bridge too far'

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This thread should be split, it became something else.

Thanks Pepsiman!
Always great to see your informative contributions.
Goo advice and info - thanks.
I'm going to wait for the next gen as you suggest.
Can't wait to see my GIGOTS run even faster
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