It is only certain combinations of formats etc that support different FPS speeds.

You can get the full 240 FPS using h.264 with mp4

Ok....but that's producing a movie. I want to be able to drop a high frame rate clip onto the timeline to get smooth slow motion. What is the advantage of producing a movie at 60 - 120 fps if most players are going to drop all thos extra frames to play back at 30 fps.

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Quote: PD14 claims to support action camera frame rates up to 120, but when i go to set my frame rate in Preferences the max available is 60 fps.

What am I missing?

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You're missing nothing,P.D just can't do it..I tried the same thing..120fps 10.80p gopro to 30fps output gives me the same playback speed

but without slomo,I suggest to use gopro studio for that,gives you excellent slomo.

You won't see it in the timeline though,only after render,but I guess you know that.

Jan.

Yes GoPro clips. A little dissipointed because one of the reasons I upgraded is because PD 14 was advertized as now being able to support those higher frame rates....

Does anybody know why you would produce to a higher frame rate then the original source clips were?

Quote: Ok....but that's producing a movie. I want to be able to drop a high frame rate clip onto the timeline to get smooth slow motion. What is the advantage of producing a movie at 60 - 120 fps if most players are going to drop all thos extra frames to play back at 30 fps.

I think there's a couple of things here. First, you're correct that you can't set the project frame rate in PD goes any higher than 60fps.

However, this has nothing to do with the frame rate of your produced video - it's only used to sync multiple clips along with cuts, transitions and FX to each other in the timeline. Basically, it sets the minimum adjustment length for all your project's media, which is one frame, to equal 1/60th of a second (@ 60fps). You can't make a 1/100th of a second shift of one clip releative to the next.

The second thing is the only way to see any slow motion is if you slow the clip down. If you produce a clip at 120fps and play it back at 120fps, it's not going to look any different than if you had produced to 60fps. There isn't enough additional visual data flying past in real time to make a difference.

However, if you slow the clip down on the timeline, THEN you'll easily be able to see the smoothness that all those extra frames can give you, even if you produce to 60fps. I'm assuming here that your target is simply people watching. Certainly if your produced video is going on to further processing, you'd want to keep the full frame rate.

The third thing is that players have to play the video at the rate you produced the video to. They don't arbitrarily "drop" frames to play at 30 or some other convenient number. There actually are drop-frame approaches, but they're used internally in editors like PD when producing, and also when broadcasting for TV so that videos with different frame rates can be watched on fixed frame rate devices like TVs.

I will also politely disagree with Jan's statement that you won't see slow-mo on the timeline. You obviously won't see it if you play the clip in real-time, but as soon as you use the Power Tool and slow the clip down, you'll see the smooth slow motion on the timeline and when you produce the clip. It's easy to test that!

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Quote: Yes GoPro clips. A little dissipointed because one of the reasons I upgraded is because PD 14 was advertized as now being able to support those higher frame rates....

Does anybody know why you would produce to a higher frame rate then the original source clips were?

I use GoPro Studio (free) to trim my clips (I keep about 10% of what I shoot) and I use higer frame rate settings whenever I think I might want to SloMo. GPStudio first converts all clips to CineformAVI which is an intermediate codec and is better for editing than the GoPro compressed Mp4 clips and does a great job on SloMo. I also use GPStudio for color correction. Once you have the desired result save the clip at your planned PDR14 project frame rate (30p or 60p) as an AVI and import into PDR14 and contine editing. It sounds a bit drawn out but it's actually quick and easy. Enjoy!

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Quote: Yes GoPro clips. A little dissipointed because one of the reasons I upgraded is because PD 14 was advertized as now being able to support those higher frame rates....

Does anybody know why you would produce to a higher frame rate then the original source clips were?

I use GoPro Studio (free) to trim my clips (I keep about 10% of what I shoot) and I use higer frame rate settings whenever I think I might want to SloMo. GPStudio first converts all clips to CineformAVI which is an intermediate codec and is better for editing than the GoPro compressed Mp4 clips and does a great job on SloMo. I also use GPStudio for color correction. Once you have the desired result save the clip at your planned PDR14 project frame rate (30p or 60p) as an AVI and import into PDR14 and contine editing. It sounds a bit drawn out but it's actually quick and easy. Enjoy!

Al

Al..thats the way to do it.

Opto..I never tried that way..so thx for the info.

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Hi Jan,

I seem to get better quality from PDR13/14 when I use GPStudio and Cineform to trim and convert to AVI before editing with PDR13/14. Have you seen any difference in final PDR output?

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Hi..Al.

You mean difference between P.D and G.P studio I suppose?

I can't see any between them,as I can't see any difference in quality between magicyuv and cineform avi..apart from file size.

We have the exact same workflow being the best of both editors,G.P studio is really powerfull and underestimated by many.

So..I have no plans to change this way of working,it suits me just fine.

Jan.

Let me explain my process and how I understand it....and totally open to good advise and info.....

I shoot my motorsport action at 60 fps. I drop those clips down into the timeline at 60 fps, then run the portions of those clips at 1/2 speed (which I believe would be 30 fps) for my slo mo moments. I then produce at 30 fps. So now all my movie is at 30 fps but the slo mo is smooth because it's source was already 30 fps.

So now I have smooth 1/2 speed slo motion....but what if i want to slow things down to 1/4 speed, my 60 fps clips drop down to 15 fps and start to lose their "smoothness"......even producing at 30 fps my 1/4 speed sections are not going to be as smooth as my 1/2 speed because those source clips were 15 fps.

My assumptions are based on how film would be shot, shooting at 48 fps and played back at 24 gives you smooth playback, if you need slower then you "overcrank" even more like 96 fps for 1/4 speed. I still don't see why you would produce at say 120 fps, then played back at 120 fps if the clips are no higher then say 60 fps.

I maybe all wet about how I understand how this works

Your thinking is on the right path, but I think the frame rates for the project and playback are messing you up.

Think of it this way: If you place a clip in the timeline, no matter what frame rate it's at, it will play at normal speed when you've produced it no matter what the output frame rate is. A 10fps source clip produced to 60fps runs at the exact same speed, 1x, it just has 50 extra frames of "filler" every second to meet the output profile.

PD will simply add 5 copies of every frame until the next actual frame comes along, then it will fill the next gap with 5 copies of that frame. There's no "new" information in the filled frames, but since the player has to play 60 frames every PD "stretches" the content to fit the output.

If you have a 120fps source clip and you produce to 30fps, PDF will then discard 3 out of every 4 frames so that your clip plays at the correct speed. Obviously that's not what you're doing but I want to make sure you see that changing the project or output frame rates will never have any affect on the speed that the video plays.

Now, to show a section of (or the entire) video in slo-mo, you need to use the Video Speed power tool to tell PD how fast or slow you want that section to play. It will do all the filling/cutting of the frames so that that section plays at 0.5x or 32x normal speed, whatever you tell it to do.

If you have 120fps source clips, PD has lots of data to fill in the new frames with, and even if you produced to 30fps you'll have new content in every frame if you slow it down to 0.25x. Generally, 60p is the best choice for producing motion clips, and PD will take care of all the math to give you a very clear picture when you want to slow a section down.

This *tutorial* is about the ease-in and ease-out feature, which is a nice way to transition from regular speed to slo-mo and back. This *one* is for the Action Cam center, which shows you how to make eye-catching highlights of anything you want. Take a few minutes to watch both of these, and I think you'll have a better understanding of what PD can do and how you can use these really nice features

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Sorry Opto..

The point is that one can skip the shite in P.D and just do all that in G.Pstudio.

I'ts just like some player that does'nt play a file.

Just use another that can.