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I Have one of Panasonic's top of the line 3d tv's and Sony 3d video camera I have pinnacle studio and Vegas pro which serve my nicely. My only beef is I'm still waiting on the Ideal 3d editing program to come along and Power Director is soooo close to being it.
I have a lot of wonderful 3d video just waiting to be edited. I can view it through my camera and anyone who see's it on my 3d tv are amazed. I can make side by side and put it on a 25gb blu-ray and it's okay, but I want the full 1080p.
Well, in the actual PD10 version there is a bugs with the 3D authoring as you know - but that is a confirmed but what means that Cyberlink is working on that. I do now know when we will see a patch, and hope that it will not take too long.
To my opinion, you should be aware that the tools you can to edit 3D are focusing to different needs. For example, while your Vegas Pro is more for a professional approach and much more expensive, the PD10 is more for the homevideo fan and simply makes a lot of fun. I for my part like the combination, and there are a lot of people working on combined workflows to bring the strength of both tools together. For example, I like the better editing capabilities of Vegas, but I like the better authoring capabilities of PD10 for 3D.
The other point: if you wish to go für 1080 24p on Blu Ray, you have a strong conversion issue - you will not like the movie if movement is in if you simply render 1080 60i to 1080 24p. There is no good way to convert the 1080 60i footage of your TD10 to 1080 24p. That is not a limitation of the PD10, but it is a limitaton of th exisitng 3D Blu Ray formats and the fact that this conversion is not great at all. So I would test more 720 60p, at least that is available in PD10 for 3D authoring.
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That is a well know bug - seems to happen if you author 3D footage with 3D menus (maybe if you set the 3D depth with 2D menus). The bug is now confirmed by Cyberlink, as far as I understood Dafydd.
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I'm not too appreciative of his remarks either. In fact I am getting real tired of them.
Unbelieveable, your arrogance.
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Well, I think anaglyphic should be used for internet presentations only.
For all other presentations a 3D Blu Ray player and a 3D HDTV/Beamer are the better choice. And we are well equiped with the PD10 to use such an equipment, given the fact that the PD10 has an MVC encoder integrated, to be able to generate really 3D BDs.
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Thank you Dafydd. Would be great that we have fixed the 3D menu issue, but also the 720 50p issue! ![]()
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Thank you, Dafydd. Hope they fix it.
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Well, the most important point is that we can drillt the bug down to the cause - and if it is the adjustment of the 3D depth it is another learning. Fine for me. So we can hope that the next patch will cure that - what is great.
Please Dafydd, if possible at all try to ensure that we can fix the missing 720 50p template in the MVC encoder too. Would be great! ![]()
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Dafydd, have you used the TD10 footage that I have sent you?
I heard from Michael that you guys have been able to repro that - even here I understand that. Great. Hopefully it can be fixed.
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Well Tom, I have tried now some 3D menus - and ALL failed. I have tried some 2D menus - and none failed. That is a clear pattern in what is going on.
I am aware that the PD10 is by now the first 3D authoring tool - well, at the moment with the situation that you can use 2D menus only.
I think there is now a significant work-list for the development team in terms of identified 3D bugs. Let us hope that they can fix that!
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Tom, I have to state that I did not dip into all details. But what I have done was to start a small test project based on Sony TD10 1080 50i PAL files - using the unchanged template 10 (so the nice heart = valentine menu). The test project is not huge - only some clips, something about 2 minutes only.
The authoring progress went wit that project to 77%, and then did not contiue. Remaining time went down to 00:00:01, after something about 17:00 minutes. No futher activity took place, even not after waiting for 23 minutes.
Using another 3D template, template 9, with the same result - beside the detail that it ended with 88%.
So, the issue seems to be in the authoring process - since the buring process does not start at all.
Another user in my German forum videotreffpunkt has reported about the same issue - so that is nothing that cannot be reproduced, but seems to happen a lot of times.
So, both Dafydd and Michael are now informed. Lets hope that they can resolve the issue.
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I think the PD10 is not bad - for 3D it tends to be an impressive tool. There are small improvements required, but generally spoken it is a good tool.
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Hi Wolfgang,
Please can you attach a sample video, I'd like to experiment with the footage please and make it available to R&D for them to correct the situation asap.
Thanks
Dafydd
PS. 5 to 10 seconds long. Camera details, make/model as well please.
Dafydd, the encoding in the MVC encoder can be done with every footage. All what they need to add is that we can switch between 720 50p, 720 60p and 1080 24p - what are the 3 specification as available for 3D Blu Rays.
I send you three download links for Sony TD10 PAL 1080 50i footage.
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Thank you for this information - I think it is great.
Unfortunately I miss the point that the MVC encoder will now also be able to encode to 720 50p. For 3D PAL user that is one of the most important points, since you are not able to encode to anything that makes sense really without such an template. Frankly spoken, to my opionion it is a NO-GO without that.
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Well, it must not be uncompressed, it can also be mp4/AVC. That can be handeled by PD10. BUT to render that, you need another NLE. I do that, since I use Vegas too. But it should not be necessary that you need another NLE. All what you need is the additional functionality - maybe in an update, maybe in PD11.
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Xerox, thank you for the description. Unfortunately, this will deliver anaglyphic footage only, as far as I understand that. That is not what you are looking today, at least not for all purposes. It may be fine if you wish to publish that with youtube, but in the age of 3D Blu Ray players and 3D HDTVs what I really look for are MVC encoded 3D Blu rays - to maintain the full color spectrum. The funny thing is that the PD10 has all of that - including the capability to generate menus for 3D Blu Rays (what the more expensive Vegas Pro cannot do). The only point that seems to be missing is the capability to to pair two video streams from two camcorders. Without that you will not be able to encode MVC footage really.
But maybe I am missing something, and it can be done. Would like to know how.
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Oh it is a problem - since the Blu Ray consortia has defined 720 50p, 720 60p and 1080 24p only for 3D Blu Rays. No 1080i at all!! So Cyberlink had no choice for 3D Blu Rays to go for 1080i.
So if you live in PAL country as I do, you have 2 generic choices: go for 720 50p for 3D Blu Ray, or go for 1080 24p. When you come from Sony TD10 or JVC TD1 footage, 720 50p would be easier - but unfortunately, that is missing in PD10. So what we really would need is 720 50p - 1080 24p is possible but the conversion from 1080 50i to 1080 24p is very trickey, not sure how good it can be done in PD10.
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I had a user in my German forum - who had the same issue. He decided to purchase the software, and the issue was gone. On the same machine, without doing anything else. So again a strong indication that it is the trial.
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Maybe you are right. But a trial that delivers for some use such an error code may cost customers. Take jasms reaction. All what he wants to see is that it works for him with his pc. Even when we tell him that it works with the retail version - it is a question if that will convince him really.
I can only state that I have seen that issue with the trial too... but it is not up to me to find out how to overcome that.
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So I really don't see the point of your so called 'first testing'
But what is your point? Simply to state that everything is fine, even if that is not true? ![]()
Cyberlink was happy about additional feedback and tests, that can be helpfull to improve the product. I was impressed how fast they have been able to reproduce some of the points and have seen their strong willingness to make the good product even better.
Sorry if that makes you upset.
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Ok, that is the same build that I use here, and for me it works. But it is not the trial version any more, with the trial I had exakt the same issue.
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Sure the price is a balancing factor - and maybe you are right that from this point of view the comparison is not fair. But that is not the point. The point is that the PD10 is now also a good product for 3D, has become in some aspects better then Vegas, but for sure not in all aspects. I am sure we will see further improvements in the PD10 - and when that happens we will not have a good tool only, but a great tool.
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