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3D versus '3d-Like'
James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
What is the difference between 3d and '3d-like' in the powerDirector Ultra 10. I have been experimenting with the 3D aspect with various settings. My system has the latest Geforce drivers from Nvidia and supports the anaglyph red/cyan 3D videos.
Jim
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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
Ok I think I understand from the help file...'3D-like' refers to the 'red/Cyan' type of 3d production, where as 3D refers to videos taken with a 3D capable camera...hope this is the right interpretation.
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Xerox [Avatar]
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I think 3D in this context refers to text that has x, y, z coordinates where you can extrude the text and rotate it about the x,y, or z axis.



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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
I seen that option somewhere but can't remember where...(getting old...memory failing)...
Thanks for reply...
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Xerox [Avatar]
Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Aug 09, 2009 01:36 Messages: 446 Offline
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Actually James, I have to take back what I said.

Seems that the "3D" title has the "enable 3D depth" setting enabled in the Title Designer so that you can use one of the stereoscopic 3D methods, such as the anaglyph method. You can also extrude the text as I mentioned in my previous post.

The "3D-like" title doesn't have the "enable 3D depth" setting enabled in the Title Designer, but still allows you 3D text that extrudes, as I mentioned in my prior post.

How does that sound? Gateway DX4380, AMD A8-5500 Quad Core 3.2GHz with ATI Radeon HD 7560D; 16GB RAM; 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM; Windows 8 Pro 64-bit; PDR11, PDVD12.
Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi,
3D videoin Preview depends upon your selection on how it'll display. 3D video, when present in a track and selecting Fix/Enhance offers a 3D Orientation option (standard 2D video wont). Xerox mentioned XYZ axis. It is with 3D Orientation - the reposition of the central focal point of two lens (my words) that these axis are used. With anaglyph selected in Preview the 3D Orientation of a 3D video can be seen more clearly.

3D Orientation is used when a dual lens is added to a camera but the focal alignment of the lens is incorrect. PD10 provides an alignment adjustment (my words).

The "enable 3D depth" and the slider movement adjustment it provides is currently causing problems in Disc Menu use. Until there is a patch I would suggest only using the default setting in that area.

The 2D to 3D conversion has the option of scene depth for 3D. Viewed more clearly in Preview in anaglyph when the slider controls are used. The adjustment is dependent upon your preferred choice. Only one plain of movement is provided (lessor or greater) and differs from the 3D Orientation. Both 3D Orientation and 2D scene depth can be applied to a 2D to 3D converted clip. However the use of 3D Orientation would not really be useful in my view (just an opinion) for a converted 2D/3D video.

Just my opinion and others may differ.

I also noted when I used a SidebySide 3D selection in Produce and brought that file back into PD10, one of my PC's would not view the finished video correctly. This was due to the computer not having a powerful enough graphics card to display 3840x1080 framed files, only one half was displayed. the more powerful PC had no problems with displaying a 3D SidebySide finished file.

Dafydd

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BarryTheCrab
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Just a note, I am using my new Fuji 3D, and learning, sort of, the differing types of 3D. I FINALLY found some paper 3D red/blue glasses to view 3D on my 2D tv....HOLY1234!, my renders are not perfect yet, but what a WOW-factor! I like the V10. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi Barry,
Yes I agree with your reaction! I have been experimenting using my own Backgrounds, videos (from jvc hi def camcorder and standard camcorder), my own graphics for almost all my experiments and quite amazed at the results. I have been burning some of them to DVD-RW's and previewing on my panasonic 52" TV and am quite amazed at the results.
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BarryTheCrab
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Hi Jim,
It's Halloween, I'm surprised you're home...
Now that my WOW for 3D is settling, my paper glasses may not be giving me the best results, it still appears in quality like a novelty, with red/blue ghosting in some parts, but in other parts of the same file it really pops.
I'm not even sure if I'm doing things quite right, or even the 3D export file format, I just stick with the red/blue scenario.
And the Fuji, though nice, is still quite limited by sensor size, etc.
Can I export as another 3D format, using a different type of glasses, on my 2D tv?
I just don't know enough yet.

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BarryTheCrab
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I just noticed I can't edit (as in crop) an MPO.

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Xerox [Avatar]
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I just cropped one of the sample MPOs. After cropping it is still 3D. Gateway DX4380, AMD A8-5500 Quad Core 3.2GHz with ATI Radeon HD 7560D; 16GB RAM; 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM; Windows 8 Pro 64-bit; PDR11, PDVD12.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Hey! I just noticed Photonow! that powerhouse of a scratch-pad, isn't showing up...blasted.

OK, now I right-clicked and found the 3D cropper, good, but regular jpegs are not bringing up PNow!, or that fancy-dandy new painting tool, good grief, let me look some more.

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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi Barry,
Well it is only 3:00 pm here in west coast BC, and my wife is at work..I am retired...waiting for the 'trick or treaters' to show up...
I have been compiling some videos of a recent wedding and using a variety of Scenarios so to speak. I have footage from a standard def JVC video camera, some Photo's, and some videos from a Canon HiDef camera to work with the photos are from people attending the wedding and the quality in some of them stinks.
I got PD10 just after the wedding so though I'd experiment.
I don't know that much about the new 3D format being utilized nowadays, I used to make 3d anaglyph in my pain program separating the RGB channels, masking the red and blue chanel then offsetting then recombining which worked but time consuming...PD10 does it for me...
Don't mind me babbling away..
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi Barry,
PhotoNow is no longer part of PowerDirector 10 - it's been dropped. Cropping, Fix/Enhance and PowerTools are your options for image adjustment.

The Drawing Tool is accessible by selecting the PiP Objects and Particle Rooms.

I'm sure you've worked all this out already.

When using the drawing tool on a 3D or 2D set up the overlay which results (you make) may be a very long clip.
Tip: Reduce the length of the overlay in the track and use Save as to a new name. You'll then have a shortened drawing object to call upon in future or for your current project.

I think we're wandering... I have, off the original topic, James if you want to tell me off please do

Dafydd

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BarryTheCrab
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I've yet to really experiment with it, I was originally looking for my oft-maligned (by me) PNow! to crop a 3D pic.
Sorry to wander, I didn't hijack, it wasn't ME, I SWEAR...!
So as for 3D, I've been experimenting with my new Fuji. Tell me, is red/blue the only type of format/glasses combo to get 3D from a 2D computer/monitor/TV?
It does work that way, in some cases I feel I can reach right into my screen. In anything but perfect lighting and movement, though, the r/b ghosts can be quite noticeable, and really takes away from the viewing experience. Not blaming PD here, I'm having fun with it. Pretty good at up-D'ing 2D, remember our old 4:3 sample fish tank friends?

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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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red/cyan (blue) are the common anaglyph colors but you can use green also there are a couple of variation. If you serach anaglyph and get to a wiki page there are variations,
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James Dotson
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I did a YouTube video to explain the many different 3D formats, but I didn't like the first production. It looks like I need to get it done.

I find green/magenta to be a little more effective. Red/blue are such common colors that the glasses tend to bleed out unintended color, like your favorite blue shirt that becomes white in one eye. Red/blue is the traditional format and the glasses may be easier to find for normal people. There is also blue/amber, which I have never seen outside of YouTube and, apparently, one Super Bowl.

Polarized glasses are even better, but need a special, very expensive, monitor. This is what you usually find in the theaters now, also. I hope that helps clear it up a little. __________________________________
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BarryTheCrab
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As PD10 only puts out r/b for anaglyph, looks like that's my choice. Thanks, Jaime.

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Wolfgang 1
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Well, I think anaglyphic should be used for internet presentations only.

For all other presentations a 3D Blu Ray player and a 3D HDTV/Beamer are the better choice. And we are well equiped with the PD10 to use such an equipment, given the fact that the PD10 has an MVC encoder integrated, to be able to generate really 3D BDs. Kind regards,
Wolfgang
BarryTheCrab
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Super, you just drop that 3D TV off at my place and I'll get started... HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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