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Is it possible to - apply transitions, effects, grading etc to "layer" rather than the clip itself?
It is possible in PP, but I'm sure it is possible in PDR but cannot seem to find the right thing. Currently when I edit, I apply the effects, transitions on to the clip itself which is on the timeline. This is okay but if I want to preview the timeline without any edits, I have to manually "untick" the effects but if I untick/remove an effet, I risk losing it all.
Hence why, is there a way to apply effects/transitions to a layer instead of the clip on the timeline itself?
I'm going to double the ram and see if that improves things.
I use shadow files already in editing
RAM may or may not improve your performance. Good way to check is once you started editing/rendering, open up task manager and you'll see that the CPU will be 100% but RAM will be like 30 or 40 or 50%. This suggests that RAM upgrade may not be necessary. What we both need is a better CPU (preferably desktop but I cannot have a desktop because I move for work a lot)
Either we both need better CPUs, OR, Cyberlink Powerdirector to work as smooth as FCPX works on Apple OS via software optimization as software-hardware optimization can go a long way.
I have the same set up but in a Gigabyte laptop. I also have GTX1060 card which helps.
If you also have a nvidia card, try this -
For your question, the timeline frame rate should match your source clips (or the highest frame rate if you have clips with multiple rates). This ensures that any transitions and effects will occur with the highest precision. For your all your GoPro projects, you'll use 60 and you don't ever have to give it a second thought.
Hi could someone please elaborate a bit on this?
So if the original footage was 120fps and timeline is 24fps, the transitions and effects will not occur with highest precision?
Most of premiere pro cinematic video tutorials suggest shooting at highest fps that your camera allows thus allowing you to play back at slower fps on a 24fps setting, also allowing for smooth speed ramping/slowing down etc. None of the premiere pro tutorials mention any loss is precision for effects.
QuoteHi everyone, been a long time user of pd but lately it just seems to be laggy and slow, im running a dell xp15 laptop so not a slow machine by any means i7 16gb ram ssd
Mate that is a slow machine. Especially if you are editing 4K content. Firstly it is a laptop, secondly it is a Dell that is known for quality control over heating issues. Moreover, a laptop i7 isn't anywhere as good as a desktop i7. But I do feel your pain.
Now the helpful bit -
PD is good for just cuts and trims but as soon as you do any sort of color grading, LUTs, effects and try to preview, everything gets choppy. This will even be more noticeable because you have a laptop.
I'm assuming you are using "Shadow files" options, if not use it which might improve your results.
Identify the clips/areas in your timeline where you have complex effects/heavy grading etc, and use "render preview" option.
Unlike Premiere pro where as soon as you put "warp stabilizer" on a clip, it takes a few minutes for it to "apply" but PD you apply stabilizer, unless you preview it, it is not applied until you render. So, it might help if you "render preview" for the complex areas of timeline and then keep editing.
but during preview paybac ad edits of clips that are sped up past 10x will be all laggy making cutting to music guesswork, colour editing clips is also not doable
PD provides basic color grading as well as LUT support.
If you need more color grading, there is Color Director you can which is still much cheaper than Premiere pro.
as the finished product looks rubbish with artifacts and banding everywhere after its produced,
Artefacts and banding is not acceptable no matter what.
this is on 4k hq footage,
What is "hq" ?
coupled with the constant spam to upgrade that and photodirector all the time i'm wondering if its time to switch to something a bit better that may run a bit better?
Probably is time to switch if you like premiere pro better and can afford it.
QuoteI get it. What I am thinking is that the frame rate of your videos do not match the frame rate you set in preferences before you started the project. An example of this is when your source is at 60 frames per second but you set 24 or 25 fps in the Preference/General. This means only every 2 frames or less instead of every frame get masked in CD.
You were right.
I had to change from 24 to 30fps timeline. Do the masking again, and once done, change timeline back to 24fps. Boy it was tedious.
Does premiere pro/fcpx does this a bit more accurately? Just curious. I've seen some Ytube videos and they don't seem to have this much trouble doing the same thing.
QuoteI get it. What I am thinking is that the frame rate of your videos do not match the frame rate you set in preferences before you started the project. An example of this is when your source is at 60 frames per second but you set 24 or 25 fps in the Preference/General. This means only every 2 frames or less instead of every frame get masked in CD.
That makes sense.
Timeline is 24 but source is 4k30.
QuoteGo frame by frame in CD tio adjust the motion mask. It is possible that you are using an interlaced video that caused the problem.
Sad thing is I did do frame by frame, motion masking isn't that good to track haha
What you see is what I've done frame by frame but that 1 frame that I isolate and fix, export back to cdr, it still doesn't show the fixes I made.
Not sure what interlaced is, but this is 4k footage xavc 100mbps.
3. What I'm seeing for 1 frame. Most frames are good, but 1 frame is patchy. Tried multiple times to fix in CDR but doesn't feed it through back when I put back into PDR
I selected a clip from PDR
Opened in CDR
In Regional Adjustment tools, select Motion tracking mask
Using brush, select what requires tracking and mask the rest
Convert this mask selection into a green screen
Export/Back to PDR
Most of the Mask selection works, but there are patches of green screen missing. I put the clip back into Colordirector and patched up the missing green screen bits, exported/back buttoned to PDR and still have patches. Tried multiple times but doesn't 'seem to produce a clean output.
Is there any issues with PDR16 and CDR6 talking to each other?
Basically what I tried to do is what explained in this video -
QuoteI'm very sorry for the confusion - I made a big mistake.
The method I described works for many (even most) clip settings, but it does NOT work for CLUTs or Color Match settings. Using Copy Keyframe Attributes will work for copying the opacity setting from one lower clip to all of the others, but you may have to manually set the CLUT for each of your upper track clips.
I'll make a video if I can figure out another way to do that. Please accept my apologies for the above, incorrect suggestion!
No problem
If you do figure a good way to color grade and utilize LUTS, please do advise
QuoteThere's a very easy way to use Tony's excellent method across an entire project.
Once you have the opacity settings the way you want them on a single clip, you can right-click and choose Copy Keyframe Attributes. For your next clip, copy it and place it on the track above, then simply right click on the lower one and choose Paste Keyframe Attributes.
Note that the clip copy and attribute copy use different "clipboards" so they won't interfere with each other
If even doing that clip by clip that is too much work, then place all of your original clips first, then copy the entire section and paste it in the upper track. Once you copy the original clip's opacity keyframe attributes, highlight the remaining lower track clips and paste them.
Boom - you're done!
Hi sorry for being dumb, but I didn't quite understand your methodology. Got a bit confused, do you know if there are any YouTube video by anyone showing how it is done? Please and thanks for your help, highly appreciated.
You're right. That adjustment is possible in some other software... & the question is asked repeatedly.
PDR17 doesn't have the ability to do that, at this stage, but you can tone down the intensity of the seected LUT by overlaying the original clip and adjusting opacity.
Also see the attached timeline screenshot.
When the question was posed in another group, I posted this example video of the above:
You could also modify the LUT in Resolve and save it as a new LUT to be imported into PDR... or just edit in Resolve.
Cheers - Tony
Thanks for that.
That method will require to keep copy pasting the original clip to a higher track and adjusting manualy, this can get tedious when you have like 30 or 40 clips or more.
I see the merit in this work around though, can you think of any other work arounds if you have a lot of clips?
QuotePlease someone help. What do I actualy set my perferences at when I intend to make a movie and burn it to a Blu-Ray disc?
Do I set my project perferences to NTSC 60 fps or do I set it to NTSC 30fps. I do not totaly under stand why there are 2 NTSC choices? I want to make a compliant Blue_ray disc for family and friends.
My Gopro footage was shot at 60fps but what do I set my software preferences to please 60 or 30? And why?
You should be able to put your timeline framerate to 30fps at the very least.
They say for a cinematic looks, you edit with timeline frame rate of 24fps, where this gives you ability to slow down your footage 2.5 times.
Easy answer, I will choose 30fps. Harder answer, if there are lots of "panning, brisk camera movements" I will definitely use 30fps for timeline fps.
Just a small update to advise that the work around somewhat works to an extent. I have attached a screenshot of my GPU being utilized and it shows the max reading.
That's probably because Adobe does not use the GPU for encoding.
Can you point exactly where it said that it will work with your "machine"? AFAIK on the laptop it will use the intel GPU, and that's exactly what is stated that will do. Nowhere it is said that in case of a multi GPU "machine" it can pick as desired any of those GPU.
If I add an AMD and an nVidia card on my desktop, the one use will be the one that I have the monitor connected to. That's exactly what happens in laptops case, sice the diplay is always hardwired (connected) to intel. nVidia is used just as pass-trough for 3D games (and that only).
It doesn't have to specifically state "hey guys, CL PD will work with your
Dell Inspiron
HP Pavilion
Lenovo insert model numbers
Microsoft Surface Pro
etc, etc. It says it is a video editing software and works on windows based computers.
You want specifics? Sure, very easy. Takes a 10 second Google.
"PowerDirector has held the title of world's fastest video editing software for several versions. Powered by the 64-bit TrueVelocity engine and with the support of OpenCL, multi-GPGPU acceleration and latest hardware acceleration technology, PowerDirector provides unparalleled performance in HD and 4K video rendering."
Obviously they cannot state exactly which machines it WIL work, but they could state which machines it WON'T work. But nope, doesn't say anywhere that "by the way, CL PD doesn't utlize your GPU in your laptop..It only works on desktops."
QuoteSomething that seems to have been overlooked here is that while producing with any GPU - desktop, tablet or laptop - is usually faster than using the CPU on its own, oftentimes the resulting quality is noticeably lower.
-Is this true? As in using CPU only somehow produces better quality? I'm intrigued and would love to learn more about this, I haven't heard about this before.
I realize that's not the same thing as having PD utilize every GPU for maximum speed, and I think that's a perfectly legitimate and ongoing gripe about the product.
-Exactly, thank you for acknowledging the issue that I raised. I wasn't attacking anyone personally. I love PD and it annoys to think that defects raised by us/users are not being addressed by their development team. Doesn't feel very valued as a customer.
In the big picture, though, there are always tradeoffs between desktops and laptops, and PD's (in)ability to take full advantage of some GPU hardware falls on that spectrum. It's not either/or.
If you dont want this thread to be personal, then don't start to be. I hope other members will think twice before helping you again. You're a real asset to this forum. Congratulations.
-Once again, relax my friend. Thank you for your validation on me being an asset and I very much value your congratulations.. With my 20 odd messages history, I have tried my best to help any fellow PD users who may have the same issue as me and put a solid 'constructive' effort by posting my findings and work arounds on how to get over the GPU issue here - Instructions to get Nvidia cards to be used with Powerdirector 16 - Semi Solved- https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/64906.page#295787
That's why: "Such a shame that you guys are finding excuses for CL's lousy dev teams..."
Look mate, I do not want this thread to be a personal attack arena. What I said has been in the minds of other people as well. If you do not have anything useful to contribute, please keep your "spirit of the community" and feel free to stay off my thread.
Finding excuses? Excuse me! We are only trying to help you, that's the spirit of this community. Had your problem a couple of years ago and I have come to the conclusion that PD and laptops are not best friends. So don't be frustrated because I am telling you how things are. PD is the best price/value/learning curve editing program you will find on the market. It is not made for the professional market. You don't buy a Rolls for 10.000 ! If you want professional quality pay for Edius or Adobe Premiere Pro or buy a Mac and use Apple Final Cut Pro X.
Relax. Regardless how much it cost, if PD is a "desktop only" video editor, it should be clearly stated on product description page.
I don't want professional quality, I just want something that actually works as it is advertised on my machine.
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