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I've today noticed another problem with PD9.
I created my edit and produced it to a AVCHD disc. After sorting out the other problems that was fine, but I today tried to make an SD version of the edit.
After producing the edit to an .mpg file, I found that there were no longer any captions. I thought that they were perhaps just placed outside the frame, but further experimentation has shown that the position of the caption makes no difference.
This is still the test version of PD9, and the recent update appears not to work on the demo version.
Gary.
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That's useful, I will do some more experimentation next week.
All I have to work out now is how to get the edited sound out of the program in a form that I can use.
Gary.
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Hi pjc3,
Yes, I do normally use a dedicated sound program to add any music and sound effects, but as far as I can see there is no way to re-introduce the resulting files into PD9.
Does PD9 support any surround-sound audio formats e.g. 6-channel WAV files? I suspect not.
Hi Robert,
Yes I'm already doing that, but that only allows me to edit the original sound in 5.1 Often the original sound is unusable due to wind-noise etc., and I need to recreate it with music and effects.
What I'm really after is some explanation of how PD9 handles surround sound. It obviously does as it has the 5.1 option, but it seems to be very crude.
Gary.
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I'm still running the trial version of PD9 and I'm curious about its handling of surround sound.
The AVCHD files from my Panasonic camcorder are inherently 5.1 channel surround and that seems to be preserved through the edit, but everything in the timeline and the audio mixer screen only indicates stereo. Nor does there seem to be any way to positon sound (e.g. sound effects) in the surround field.
Downloading the manual from the website there is only a passing mention of Dolby, with no explanations whatsoever.
Can anyone explain how PD9 is supposed to handle surround sound, or point me to a reference.
Gary.
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Your problem looks basically the same as the one I reported in 'Interlace problems' http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14404.page
The only difference is that in the Mpeg version you have the image as a small part of the frame, but in both cases you have a 'double vision' of the skiers, which is normally a result of the interlace being reversed. It appears to result from the use of the stabiliser on a panning shot, where the background is moving and the stabiliser is trying desperately to put the background in the same position. The result is that the skiers are repositioned between the upper and lower interlaces.
In the case of your Mpeg video, it is also moving the whole frame, hence your problem.
If you solve the problem of the Mpeg image being reduced, you will still have the double-vision effect on the skiers.
I've come to the conclusion that the stabiliser simply doesn't work with shots where the camera is moving.
Gary.
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The problem with sodium lights is that they don't have a full spectrum of light, just a single frequency (the sodium line, actually two very close spectral lines), so it is most unlikely that any program will be able to resolve the original colours as they just don't exist in the original recording.
Unless there was some other source of light, if you remove the yellow colour you will find that the result is largely monochrome.
Gary.
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Heck...I still have some bugs that my team found in Windows version 3.11
Only some? ![]()
MAN is it better than Powerdirector 3!!!
I admire your persistence with the Powerdirector brand.
I've used professional editors like Avid, but they of course require a lot of expensive external hardware. I did for a while use Avid Free for my own purposes, but that was on Windows 98 and it will not run on newer versions of Windows, nor handle HD.
I'm generally trying out a few options before deciding what to buy, and PD9 is currently at the top of the list, but if it means buying new hardware, then a Mac and FCP are very tempting.
Gary.
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Actually I have upgraded the video driver since I posted that DxDiag file. I am now on driver 8.17.12.6099 dated October 2010. It doesn't seem to have made a vast difference although I can now select hardware decoding.
As far as your other points are concerned, as you rightly say, I can do nothing about the amount of RAM with this motherboard, 2Gigs is the limit. I may consider getting a new graphics card in future, if only to allow me to use hardware assistance.
However PD9 is still pretty fast. I've today been experimenting with editing SD video and amazingly it is rendering slightly faster than real time which is pretty impressive. Even an SD render from the HD original is not that much slower than real time.
Having said that, for PD9 to have been released without being able to handle interlace correctly seems rather remiss. As I understand from other postings here, faults which were reported on the beta version still exist in the release version. I assume that the programmers were working to a tight schedule, but it does tend to reduce users confidence in the program.
Gary.
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I don't know that, I will have to look for it.
I normally use a monopod, but on this occasion I didn't think of taking it on holiday with me.
The camera has antishake, but it seems limited. In particular it doesn't correct for rotation of the camera, and when used tends to give a 'sea-sick' feeling to the video.
Gary.
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In wonder whether this is related to what I discovered in
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/preList/14553/69653.page ?
Gary.
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My apologies if you already know this, but it came as a surprise to me.
If you create a disc from several projects, using the project files rather than rendered video files, then decide to modify one of the projects; when you create the disc you still get the old version unless you delete and re-select the modified project.
So if you need to modify the project on a disc, you need to go to the 'Disc' tab then select the 'pencil' option for that project, rather than simply modifying the original edit.
Gary.
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Are you talking about the preview, or does the rendered edit also vary?
Im interested in this as I often dub my videos in another program, then I will want to transfer the completed soundtrack back into the editor.
Let us know if you find a solution.
Gary.
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O.K. Several days and several experiments later I've partially solved this.
The problem only occurs when the stabiliser is selected. It would appear that the problems occured on shots where I selected the stabiliser, and in one video (from which the clip above comes) I must have clicked on 'apply to all' as PD9 was applying the stabiliser to almost all the clips.
I don't know if it was simply that the problem clips were panning shots, but with the anti-shake stabiliser selected the fields are misaligned which produces exactly the same visual effect as reversed interlace.
Note to self and others - only ever use the stabiliser on static shots.
Suggestion to Cyberlink - how about allowing us to select stabilisation in one dimension only, so that it can cope with shaky panning shots. This is exactly what option 2 does on my stabilised SLR lenses, it only stabilises vertically so that you can still use the stabilisation when panning.
Gary.
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Just a minor problem. I've tried PC speed, and although it works, AVG insists that it is malware and keeps trying to put it in the virus vault.
Gary.
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How are you trying to replicate it?
I've taken a clip from the resulting AVCHD file which is attached. I've actually used Corel to clip out a relevant section as trying to do so in PD9 produced even more complex problems as it swapped the interlace again.
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You look a little upset and I don’t blame you. We all here to help each other.
Apologies, that reads as rather harsher than I intended. I'm more disapointed really, as PD9 is far better for editing, but if it can't produce the final product correctly that is a waste of time.
Have you create a AVCHD DVD (with menu) with another program in the same computer and it works in your Samsung player?.
Yes, several times over the past three years since I bought my camera. They've been difficult to edit due to stuttering pictures in the editor (which is why I had high hopes for PD9) but they play without any problems.
Gary.
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Why do you think it is a firmware problem with the Samsung player when it plays every disc APART from those produced by PD9?
The reference you gave is about it not playing BD on DVD. That is something that I have never tried.
I may however try a firmware update when I get the opportunity which won't be until after the weekend.
Gary.
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Corel WinDVD 9 (Installed with Corel Videstudio) is the current default player for HD and Bluray on my computer (which does have a Bluray drive).
I've also now read your second reference. It doesn't really have the same problem as the discs without menu play correctly apart from the interlace problem. re. that and your reference, I used 'split' throughout as I found it faster than the trim function.
I have uploaded the other information you need in my other question about the interlace problem.
Gary.
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It is a BD-P1500, but as I said it happily runs AVCHD discs produced (on DVD media) by other software and it plays DVDs made by PD9 without a menu, so I don't think that the fact that it is on a DVD makes any difference.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-BD-P1500-XEU-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B0016J72SM
Gary.
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Attached is a screendump from the editor. A 5 second clip is harder to find. Attached is the shortest clip I could find at 9 seconds.
Gary.
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Will do. In the meantime here's a MediaInfo dump from the origianl material
Gary.
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