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Canon technical dept. told me - except for all the new items added to the HF s21 , or lower newer ones, the imager isn't any different.
no extended dynamic range, no 3ccd or 3cmos, just the newer features around the camera.
why not actually change the imager, or number of imagers, to give an actually better image in the newer models?
may even justify the higher cost for these things. ![]()
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Ha HA! ha ! .. so, it's an april fools joke?
12 core and 24 core - can I take back the 5 stars I gave him?
just joking ![]()
thanks, Dafydd, maybe i'll get the refund first and see what system I get to actually use the software on, so I can test it on that machine rather than my 23bit WinXP.
I'll PM the info to you now! ![]()
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I have to admit, I'm enjoying reading this thread.
I had to laugh (out loud) at the 12 and 24 core input from Richard - that's the way to go.
Recently my eldest son was using a super computer, he was allocated 512 CPU's to run his special computational display and engineering program, out of the 10,000+ it had. I was tempted to ask him to install PD8 and give me the backdoor access.... oh I dream.
CyberLink don't deal with the refund BUT if you haven't heard soon, send me all the info (full name, email address and order number) and I'll see what's happening asap.
Thanks everyone, please keep posting.
Dafydd
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CyberLink Sales do not read or reply to posts on the forum, try contacting CyberLink - Micheal, see if he can move things along for you
Robert
thanks, i may later on, and may also consider Sony Vegas Pro v9 instead, it looks nice.
Sony also says it works perfectly with AVCHD and doesn't need proxy (shadow) files.
I may have to wait until I have the faster system to really tell what's what. ![]()
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![]() 12 freaken cores? (24 in all) - that's amazing, must be wild expensive for the mobo. - can you give me an idea of the benchmarks for such a board? (vs. - the standard i7 system), does this mean there are multi i7 CPU's or is this a totally new processor going on?
I just entered "the 3Dprofessor, hardforum, guru3D and 2CPU" to my places to look. ![]() and gave you 5 stars for the post. ![]() ![]()
what do you know about Sony Vegas Pro 9 - they say it works directly with the AVCHD files without needing proxy (shadow) files for editing without HD screwing of the original file outputs (cyberlink says the same for PD8 ![]() )
maybe i'll get Vegas Pro 9 instead... don't know yet - no reply from cyberlink so far (since May 2nd, 2010) regarding my return of PDVD10 Ultra during the 30-day guarantee. ![]()
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Yes I meant 12 cores ![]() (24 cores all up) blow your pants away rendering on solidworks or other multi-threaded renderer. Checkout places like the 3Dprofessor, hardforum, guru3D and 2CPU.
USB3.0 will allow for fast (200MB/s+) external RAID solutions, much faster than the current firewire and esata which only runs at SATA1 speed. There is a new firewire in the pipeline, but I can only imagine that alot more stuff will be made to support USB3.0 as USB is everywhere.
I run a 4 disk nvraid mode 0 array (suicide mode) to get as much speed as possible for video editing and achieve around 150MB/s read write and have found it not fast enough for video editing especially with multiple PIP tracks, but it sure beats running from a single 7200RPM sata drive. My next step up will be to go to an external RAID5 or RAID6 solution, at least it will give me some data security compared with what I am running now and a dramatically faster editing feel.
I have always liked to build my own systems and have never much cared for off the shelf solutions, it is part of the fun for me.
Richard
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Check Vimeo.com Some folks have uploaded files already.
You'd have to invesigate to see how they were produced by the originator to find out if they are original camera files or have been re-rendered with software.
I was able to download clips from Vimeo for the Panasonic TM700 and put them into PD8 to check their properties, etc, etc, etc.
http://vimeo.com/videos/search:sony%20hdr%20cx550
Hey Bob - how's Tucson this time of year ![]()
thanks for that link, but I don't think they're not altered by vimeo.com - they have a statement that says -
"Sony HDR-CX550 test. Recorded at 1080 but converted to 720 for Vimeo sing Compressor."
most of these video streaming sites re-render it to a lower format resolution.
maybe the moderators, here, will allow other members to see the ones members uploaded, are there member accessable file lists (IP addresses & logins)
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doesn't the program come with a UsersGuide? (PDF File?)
I didn't buy the program yet, are you saying there's no documentation for it included?
or, are you just using the trial download file?
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I'm curious, how much time you may need to reply to my request to transfer (cancel) my PDVD10 ultra license so I can have it go to PD8.
I know you're busy. - i'm just wondering why asking for a refund or transfer of license takes longer to reply to than the 24 hours stated at the web-site. - I hope you're not waiting to go past the 30-days allowed ![]()
I'd like to stay with Cyberlink, by using the PD8 - (later on, PD9), and would like to see Customer Service settle this for me.
Thank you.
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Thanks, Richard, this was the type of info, and opinions I was looking for ![]()
Some more "lookin' 'round" is needed before diving into my new system.
YES! - i had forgotten about the new USB3.0 ![]() - very few boards, or laptops support this new standard yet.
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dual 12cores
did you mean dual 2 cores?
also, the info on the new ATI vs. Nvidia boards, much appreciated.
Portability is what I'm mostly looking for. A laptop with the speed and power of a desktop system - I'm tired of being tied to the desk.
did you check out the BOXX laptop system I was considering?
http://www.boxxtech.com/products/goBOXX/goboxx_overview.asp
I was thinking of using a portable usb drive to have the edits go to,
so the smaller laptop internal drive wouldn't be much of a problem.
The external drive could be for storing and working with the files for CAD and Videos.
Time for me to check out those review sites you mentioned ![]()
thanks again... i see now, I can't be in a rush to get this system.
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I think you have to get your system spec sorted, primarily exactly what you need, an HD editing box (really not portable as HD files are large and quickly consume HDD space) or portable CAD box where disk speed and capacity isn't an issue. Also consider USB3.0 is here which may afford a portable uncompressed HD capture solution in the future if that is something you are looking at.
As for graphics cards all of the professional cards are designed with professional apps in mind from CAD to DCC to video editing. I believe ATI are slightly ahead in these stakes, but it again depends apon what you are doing as the Quadro cards *have* consistantly beatern the ATI cards in synthetic benchmarks in Solidworks when compared like for like, but the new ATI V8800 might have changed this.
There are plenty of review sites to check out, but when you look for them they will be generally based around professional workstation boards using multiprocessor/multicore CPUs. If you are planning on SLI(Nvidia) or CrossFire(ATI) tread carefully as the newer AMD boards will not support SLI (not surprising). You cannot beat this kind of setup for HD video editing, the more cores the better coupled with CUDA or AVT. AFAIK AVT has more functionality in PowerDirector when it comes to encoding.
If I were going to do it no holes barred I would be looking at an ASUSKGPE-D16 MB using dual 12cores andthe SAS2.0 PIKE, throw in a ATI FirePro V8800 and as much DDR3 as one could afford all in a nice rackmount SAS 600 backplane case, the whole lot in a well ventilated cupboard so I didn't have to see it ![]() Oh and a couple of nice 30" moniors for good measure (good for both PowerDirector and Solidworks)
Stop yawning, I could go on....
Richard
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Hi,
A class 10 SDHC flash card can record and playback a bitrate of 24Mb/s AVCHD where as a class 6 SDHC flash card will not, as it is not fast enough.
My Canon records to, and plays back from, a class 6 SDHC card at 24mbps in 1920x1080.
Sorry to disagree!
Cheers,
Andrew
Spot on, Andrew, my Canon HFs10 is using a 32GB class 4 Ultra from Sandisk (15MB/s), and Canon said a regular class 4 would work as well, but, i wanted the extra speed for other apps.
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EditMode,
I have a Canon HG20 and had to deal with the Canon AVCHD mess for about a year with PD7/PD8. As of now things are much better because PD8 will utilize SVRT with Canon AVCHD footage at 24 Mb/s. It seems as though each camera manufacture adopts their own flavor of the AVCHD spec and this leads the crux of the problem for software companies.
PD9 will not be released for awhile because beta testing has not officially started yet. However, testing is around the corner and hence the urgency to acquire as much usable footage as possible. Sending sample files to Cyberlink was exactly how SVRT was incorporated for Canon AVCHD.
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One thing that I have to make clear is that only Cyberlink knows when a new product will be released. Certain forum members may test beta versions, but only Cyberlink knows the details on product releases. The current working version of PD is PD8.
thank you for that info James. I'm not trying to get "insider" info, just trying to see the best editor to get. and if i should wait for the new release ![]()
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this is really very interesting!
it shows, that canon camcorders, first with 24Mbps, sets the new standard for consumer based (or "pro-sumer") camcorders near ~ $1000.USD
makes me happier I have my HFs10 ![]()
Only the true Pro Broadcast Studio camcorders will have higher,
and set-able, Mbps rates, and resolutions.
I still don't think sony will be any better unless it's a 3CCD imaging system, with higher dynamic range, and more natural looking colors than the canons.
I had a look at one of the links, cx550ve ... it looks similar to the canons now, ... maybe better low light super sensitive Exmor R™ CMOS sensor, and included wide-angle lens, and 12MB snap-shot camera - but what's canon been working on during the last year ? ![]()
When's PD9 scheduled to arrive?
end of this year, beginning into next year? ... please do tell. ![]()
will i be allowed to update to PD9 ultra, FREE, if i buy PD8 ultra, NOW?
also, please do share the sony sample footage with us... there's a good lad. ![]()
is there a place to download the panasonic sample footage?
i'm interested to see if another companies AVCHD file will play thru a Canon HFs10
just to see if the AVCHD codec matches the canon, or if it chokes within the data stream ![]()
seriously though, Canon Techs told me there are differences between one companies AVCHD files and another companies file.
how can this be if all the companies are suppose to follow the AVCHD standards. - it must drive software developers crazy !
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G'day EditMode-001 -
Somehow the discussion has shifted from proxy editing to CAD vs video set-ups. You could change the topic heading... it's not become irrelevant! Alternatively, you could start a new topic.
A young friend of mine uses CAD software in his work. He also needs to use it at home (studying part-time - post grad architecture)... but he's also a gamer. Even though the workstations he uses at work are specifically set up for design, he wanted a system at home that could do both.
Here are a couple of links I pointed him to, at the time:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/246658-33-gaming-professional-graphics-cards
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/263129-33-solidworks-gaming
What James mentioned about speed vs accuracy was important when he was recently upgrading his home PC. He chose a high end gaming GPU (ATI 5850), on the basis that it was great for gaming & did a pretty good job with design work.
It's all beyond me, but he knew what he was talking about.
Cheers - Tony
thanks, Tony,
- this was what I was talking about, YOUR expertise of where to find the info. ![]()
it's really a big help when needing to choose what graphics card to get.
without the correct info, and experience of others, good and bad, I could also make a bad choice.
I changed the subject of this thread to reflect the two subjects within here, as you suggested.
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i just had a look at the links, the one about CAD is not discussing Video Editing with the Graphics Card, rather, just CAD and Gaming, & posted in 2009. New cards are out as close to one month ago, so, I need newer info
the other one is from 2007, mostly about good Gaming Cards. ![]()
I guess not many users needed a setup like I needed, so, I'll have to discuss it with solidworks, and BOXX technologies, and maybe also Cyberlink customer support, I don't want to make you nice people go crazy with my systems specs. ![]()
thanks for posting the links, it's still interesting to read and has good info.
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I have a friend of mine who build a desktop PC last summer for Autocad and he is using a consummer grade graphics card. As far as I know he does not have any issues, but he is not working as an engineer either.
![]() thanks, i thought so too!
the BOXX Technologies company seems to have a recommended system for CAD work, according to Solidworks company, and they also have a recommended one for Video Editing, I have to get the one, "in between" the two - unless the fancy CAD card is good enough for the editing software as well.
One would think a graphics card costing near $1000.00 USD would be.!
side note - it's not that money isn't an issue, it is, but not for the system - I was holding back from getting the fancy camera, to have the best system for both CAD Design and HDTV Video Editing, so the first thing done, or made using it could pay for the fancy camera, later on.
I figured, if I waited to get a broadcast quality pro camera for 5k USD, and concentrated on the system to do both CAD and Editing work, the computer would stay "current" longer, and in time I'd be able to get the better camera if my editing skills allowed, and PBS liked my videos.
the Canon HFs10 is really as close to broadcast as i've seen, but, if the editing software screws up the image detail, or color, it's going to look like it was taken with an ordinary standard camcorder. The margin is too close at just 24Mbps to allow any degrading of the final HD output file.
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For video editing I would recommend an ATI card in the 59xx or 58xx series. These cards typicaly cost several hundred dollars, but if money is not a concern the that would be the best. For CAD work I really can not say. Consummer cards are primarly designed to push pixels across the screen as fast as possible for gaming. CAD requires greater precision so depending on your exact needs you may require a more professional card for that purpose. This is something your going to have to research.
thanks again James, yes, i'm going to have to see if a card supports both the options I need.
I always thought if a fancy "CAD grade" display card was used, it would also support video editing too, but, maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah! ... more research is needed ![]()
I'll see what the techs at BOXX say about it... I'm not planning on getting two different units for the separate uses, that's just too much to buy ![]()
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thanks, James & Dafydd. (thx for the links, regarding shadow/proxy rendering, Dafydd)
I was planning on using an i7 system from BOXX Technologies
http://www.boxxtech.com/products/goBOXX/goboxx_overview.asp
What Video card do you suggest, for both rendering the video files (AVCHD) and also supporting CAD work.
I was also thinking of using it for Solidworks CAD design -
Cost isn't an issue, I need the fastest system possible.
I'm hoping it could be in a laptop system, unless a desktop unit is the better choice.
I'm glad to hear AVCHD will render correctly in an i7 unit without any degrading of image quality. Are you absolutely sure?
I've had people from other editing sites say, even with an i7 system, AVCHD files aren't meant to be edited directly, and need those smaller versions of the files to create the "edit list", or the final output will not look like HDTV content.
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originally posted this in someone else' posting, so, not to take some body elses spot-light ![]() I'll do what Dafydd Bevan - SoftDeko suggested, and start my own thread. ![]()
what i'd like to know - does PD8 Ultra set up the AVCHD edit with proxy editing automatically, or do i have to select that option manually, and make some special settings?
I'm asking this because other editing sites said AVCHD can't be edited directly, and can make the color or image quality degraded, and needs to have smaller "proxy" files created to make the edit list, and then it uses the original AVCHD files to make the output.
The original locked thread, sorry for taking over this guys thunder.
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Tony wrote:
Hi EditMode -
I have zero expertise with those sort of things. Our moderator, Dafydd, may be able to advise you...
Cheers - Tony
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no, i meant after i transfer my license to PD8,
i didn't expect refund expertise from you.
what i'd like to know now, is, does PD8 Ultra set up the AVCHD edit with proxy editing automatically, or do i have to select that option manually?
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... but I don't think I'd hold my breath waiting for CyberLink to transfer your license!
EditMode-001 wrote:
i hope you're mistaken should i wait for the refund before purchase?
From: Dafydd Bevan - SoftDeko
Senior Contributor
Hi EditMode-001,
I think this thread has gone way off topic. Please start a new thread with your own topic.
I'm locking the post at this stage.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Dafydd
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Hi EditMode -
I have zero expertise with those sort of things. Our moderator, Dafydd, may be able to advise you...
Cheers - Tony
no, i meant after i transfer my license to PD8,
i didn't expect refund expertise from you. ![]()
what i'd like to know now, is, does PD8 Ultra set up the AVCHD edit with proxy editing automatically, or do i have to select that option manually?
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... but I don't think I'd hold my breath waiting for CyberLink to transfer your license! ![]()
![]() i hope you're mistaken ![]() should i wait for the refund before purchase? ![]()
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EditMode-001,
It'll be treated as two actions.
1. You get the refund to the credit card etc.
2. You make a purchase.
CyberLink do not "handle" the online transactions, everything is routed through Digital River's secure service provider operation, like many software companies do.
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Dafydd
[Moderator]
Thank you, that would be acceptable too. ![]()
if there's any program they'd want me to run on my system to remove any registry entries of the pdvd10, or files still in the OS, that's OK as well.
Then they can deactivate the CD Key, or have my system send a confirmation all was removed (or whatever other methods chosen for the 30-day refund policy)
I'd probably make the purchase first, then wait for the refund from the first purchase, - I don't think Cyberlink is running away any time soon ![]() and don't need to wait until the money is returned to buy the PD 8 Ultra, - I just want to be sure all this is acceptable to them first.
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it's easy when ya know what yer doin' isn't it? ![]()
i may be needing Tony's expertise with it too, ...
... If Cyberlink lets me transfer my PDVD10 ultra license payment to
PowerDirector 8 ultra, that is ... and just refund the price difference, from the price of PD 8 Ultra, extended to members 'till May 2nd, but they may have to extend it one extra day for me, 'cause they take 24 hours to reply ![]()
I really needed the editing program first, anyway, it seems. Oh well! ![]()
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It's a shame Robert had to get upset, and post a rant, (not his fault, and fully understandable by me), but could have easily been avoided if Cyberlink placed the simple additional text (below) on their web site pages - (thanks to Robert for the info) ;
In case there's a billing problem, please call our billing company, Digital River, for assistance.
The phone number for the Eden Prairie, MN offices of Digital River is: 952.253.1234
Select "1" as soon as you hear a voice begin talking and you will be redirected to a customer service department.
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