SVRT not functioning correctly for Canon 24Mbps footage

JL_JL

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Nov 20, 2010 19:10

Canon Vixia HFS10 1920x1080 24Mpbs 5 minute video clip as source footage. My test results summarized below.

Test 1: Split clip at 1 minute and add default airplane transition to straddle clips and produce with SVRT, H264, 24Mpbs profile, Allow SVRT on h264 ticked in preferences (see pic)

Test 2: Same as Test 1 but instead split clip at 4 minutes and add airplane transition to straddle clips and produce with SVRT, H264, 24Mpbs profile, Allow SVRT on h264 ticked in preferences

IF SVRT is working correctly, time to produce both the above test cases should be the same.
Test 1 Produce: 6:38 minutes
Test 2 Produce: 1:56 minutes

Test 3: Same as test 1 but with Allow SVRT on h264 NOT ticked in preferences
Test 3 Produce: 6:35 minutes

Test 4: Same at Test 1, just NO transition applied
Test 4 Produce: 6:34 minutes

Test 5: Raw 5 minute clip in timeline, NO splits, NO transitions
Test 5 Produce: 19 seconds

It looks like everything after the transition and/or a file split does not have SVRT features applied. Deja Vu all over again. Issue is very obvious watching the "Produce movie" progress bar during produce that things are amiss. It also does not matter if the transition is left, straddle or right aligned with the two clips. For all configurations tested above the SVRT always showed no rendering required, except for the small transition region as shown in the attached pic.

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Jeff


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Cap'n Kevin

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Nov 20, 2010 19:15

I confirm EVERYTHING that Jeff said above using my Sony 1920x1080 17Mbps video files....Build 2316

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Kevin

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Andrew - Wales, UK

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Nov 20, 2010 19:34

I also support Jeff's findings - deja vu indeed!!

Cheers,

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Nov 20, 2010 22:04

This is the most frustrating thing about this software. Cyberlink fixes this problem in PD8 and then it reappears in PDd9. I know Cyberlink has plenty of test footage to experiment with. I should get a chance tomorrow to test this on my Canon camera. Q9300 2.5 GHz
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JL_JL

Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline

Nov 21, 2010 21:19

Thanks for the confirmation, really too bad for the initial release, so many users have put much effort into trying to provide sufficient input, video samples, line by line instructions and so on to get this right in PD7, PD8, and yet again in PD9 all to no avail.
I was reading through the PD9 documentation wondering if SVRT rules had changed or I was missing something and came upon this,

"If the total duration of the production is less than one minute and any portion of the video requires rendering, the entire production will be rendered for efficiency reasons."

I find it odd, if you create a production less than one minute with a portion needing rendering, PD9 view SVRT information gives the clips a green for no rendering required, say what? (See pic ) If you make such a strange limitation and document it, wouldn’t you make sure your coding complies? It appears our experience indicates the “S” is missing in SVRT.

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NicolasNY

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Nov 21, 2010 21:57

Just a question,

What difference makes that the original file was taken by a specific device? I have made the entire test that JL have whit his Canon Vixia HFS10 in 1920x1080 video footage. My camera is a Sony XDR-CX7 with only 1440×1080 and has the same results.

Does the ALL MANUFACTURES HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY TO STORE OR RECORD VIDEO DATA? So why you guys always talk about a specific model of camera if the data is the same?

James Dotson

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Nov 21, 2010 22:18

This doesn't help, but it does seem that they fixed the SRVT for MPEG 2, but I may be the only one who was having trouble. I'll check the Canon 17mbps when I get home. __________________________________
CORNBLOSSOM

Andrew - Wales, UK

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Nov 22, 2010 18:00

Quote: really too bad for the initial release, so many users have put much effort into trying to provide sufficient input, video samples, line by line instructions and so on to get this right in PD7, PD8, and yet again in PD9 all to no avail.

Couldn't agree more Jeff. I'm currently editing my school's recent musical production which was shot on my two Canon cameras at 1920x1080 25p using one master soundtrack recorded through one of the cameras via the sound desk. The cast will have the option of blu-ray (produced using SVRT) or the downscaled DVD.

There are several tansitions in the project proceeding some long clips plus I like to use my gpu to do the hardwork when downscaling raw HD footage to DVD. That's why I bought the ATi 5770!

Currently with PD9 we have the above mentioned transition bug, and it appears from tests several of us have carried out that the gpu acceleration isn't functioning correctly either!

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14131.page

So despite the fact I want to use PD9, for my requirements it is best to stick with PD8 where these two issues don't exist.

I hope that, after all the hard work some of us put in during testing, these issues are resolved soon.

Cheers,

Andrew

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jmone

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Nov 27, 2010 03:04

OK - I just purchased PD9 (over from Corel Video Studio) as it handles my 1080/50p stuff with Smart Render ... just as long as I don't do anything like add a Title, Transition or Split the Clip (kinda makes it hard!). Anyway....I've been playing around and I notice it does also not smart render the last second or so of the clips which got me thinking it is may only like stuff that starts/ends with a Key Frame.

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jmone

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Nov 27, 2010 16:00

FYI - I opened this ticked with support
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SVRT seems to fail on any x264/AVC clip in the timeline from the point where:
1) Title is applied
2) Transition is applied
3) Split is applied

SVRT works fine on clips without these three things OR up till the point they are applied. According to the Beta Testers on the forum this is a Known Bug and was fixed in PD8 - Could you please advise if it is being worked on and when a fix is due.
Thanks
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jmone

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Nov 29, 2010 17:29

I got a reply indicating that Smart Render is not available for 264!

,

Thank you for contacting CyberLink Technical Support.

I understand that you are facing an issue with using the SVRT feature on any x264/AVC clip in the timeline.

Regarding your concern, I would like to to inform you that SVRT function of PowerDirector software has some conditions to be used while editing videos.

Please note that the SVRT can be applied to video clips in the MPEG-1, MPEG-2 and DV-AVI (Type I) formats.

In the following conditions, clips (or portions of clips) do not require rendering during production, and SVRT2 can therefore be applied:

- The frame rate, frame size, and file format are the same as those of the destination production profile.

- The bitrate is similar to that of the destination production profile.

- The TV format is the same as that of the destination production profile.

If all of the above conditions are met, SVRT2 can be used. Any clips that do not meet the above criteria are fully rendered without SVRT2.

In the following conditions, clips (or portions of clips) must be rendered during production, and SVRT2 can therefore not be applied:

- Adding a title or transition effect.
- Modifying the color of a video clip.
- Audio profile does not match destination production profile.
- Modifying the volume of an audio clip.
- Merging two video clips (clips within 2 seconds before or
after the merged clips will be rendered).
- Splitting a video clip (clips within 2 seconds before or after
the split will be rendered).
- Trimming a video clip (clips within 2 seconds before or after
the trimmed clip will be rendered).

New SVRT 2 (Smart Video Rendering Technology 2) is a patent-pending technology developed by CyberLink. Using SVRT allows users to produce movies faster (by 10 to 20 times normal speed), as well as preserve video quality of the original source files. This incredible feat is accomplished by only rendering the portions of the videos which have been modified. Unmodified portions of video are not reprocessed, thus saving production time and preserving the original video quality.

Please feel free to contact us back for any further clarification or for any assistance related to CyberLink Products. Use the below mentioned link to get back to us for your further queries:

http://www.CyberLink.com/english/cs/support/form/index.jsp

Thanks and Regards,

Saba
CyberLink Technical Support

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JL_JL

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Nov 29, 2010 17:58

New SVRT 2 (Smart Video Rendering Technology 2)

Less than interesting, maybe someone should let them know their current technology is SVRT 3 and not SVRT 2 and has been for, well, 2+ yrs.

I think those flash card look ups for customer inquires need to be updated!

Jeff

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Nov 29, 2010 18:35

OK... for the old hands, is it worth responding and if so any suggested wording? PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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JL_JL

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Nov 29, 2010 18:50

In my opinion, tech support won't resolve this. The best we can hope for is that the forum monitor has informed CL development of the issue (I'm positive he has as he indicated so) and they are investigating what to do and will provide an update patch when they have another fix. Unfortunately this has been a one step forward; two steps back process with the PD9 product. Just my opinion, I think everyone is entitled to one. I'm surely not discouraging your efforts, for many have led a helping hand in testing and clearly pointing out these SVRT issues to resolve.

Jeff

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Nov 30, 2010 02:16

Quote: OK... for the old hands, is it worth responding

No. I opened several tickets for PD7 and got no where.

As Jeff said, Dafydd seems to do a great job of keeping Cyberlink aware of the major problems raised in this forum. It does however take ages to get things changed, hence the multitude of workarounds developed by many of the regulars here. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

GZ1967

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Nov 30, 2010 03:04

I am discovering this myself through trial and error. Svrt and Create Disc with smartsound has major glitches. The Smartsound clip does not play and the video stutters/lags at certain points.

I have discovered a workaround to this in my other post. Are we there yet?

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Nov 30, 2010 04:04

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jmone

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Dec 01, 2010 18:49

Quote:

Quote: OK... for the old hands, is it worth responding

No. I opened several tickets for PD7 and got no where.

As Jeff said, Dafydd seems to do a great job of keeping Cyberlink aware of the major problems raised in this forum. It does however take ages to get things changed, hence the multitude of workarounds developed by many of the regulars here.

Thanks - I'll (now) take the advice and let it be! I did try once more ... at least they updated std response
Nathan

Dear Nathan,

Thank you for contacting CyberLink Technical Support.

I understand that you are facing an issue with using the SVRT feature on any x264/AVC clip in the timeline.

SVRT can be applied to video clips in the MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264 (Ultra version) and DV-AVI (Type I) formats. In the following conditions, clips (or portions of clips) do not require rendering during production, and SVRT can therefore be applied:

• The frame rate, frame size, and file format are the same as those of the destination production profile.

• The bitrate is similar to that of the destination production profile.

• The TV format is the same as that of the destination production profile.

If all of the above conditions are met, SVRT can be used. Any clips that do not meet the above criteria are fully rendered without SVRT.

In the following conditions, clips (or portions of clips) must be rendered during production, and SVRT can therefore not be applied:

• Adding a title or transition effect

• Modifying the color of a video clip

• Audio profile does not match destination production profile

• Modifying the volume of an audio clip

• Merging two video clips (clips within 2 seconds before or after the merged clips will be rendered)

• Splitting a video clip (clips within 2 seconds before or after the split will be rendered)

• Trimming a video clip (clips within 2 seconds before or after the trimmed clip will be rendered)

• If the total duration of the production is less than one minute and any portion of the video requires rendering, the entire production will be rendered for efficiency reasons.

Please feel free to contact us back for any further clarification or for any assistance related to CyberLink Products. Use the below mentioned link to get back to us for your further queries:

http://www.CyberLink.com/english/cs/support/form/index.jsp

Thanks and Regards,

Saba
CyberLink Technical Support

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jmone

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Dec 13, 2010 01:24

I just did the upgrade to 2330 and as reported in this thread - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/0/14590.page

Edit - No change....

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George1938

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Dec 13, 2010 05:34

Hi,

With my Canon HG21 clips SVRT used to work great in PD8, now it states 100% rendering required even though the only changes to the original clips are trimming. However in Produce states SVRT will work in Produce but if used is much slower than Hardware video encoder.

Thus I gave up on SVRT since using PD9 and only use HVE plus it has never worked with my new Canon HFS21.

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