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Have both versions (13 & 14) of PD Ultimated running on an older notebook w/Windows 10, out of the two 14 has been pretty much rock solid in stability with 13 exhibiting the occasional and common "stopped respondIng" error, that alone is worth the price to me and hopefully it continues, any additional features are an added bonus.
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Des Towers,
Your statement “As far as I am concerned trimming to ballpark accuracy is not acceptable” is understandable and I couldn’t agree more, in my case though “ballpark” was more than acceptable during this production and we would have been ecstatic if that could have been achieved… My ballpark did not deter from the overall impact of the rendered video but PD’s did.
The “capture” part is not an issue at all with me as I have several methods at my disposal as well as numerous other forms of editing software, “was” just liking PD better.
Don’t quite understand why handling both SD & HD content smoothly isn’t plausible with PD and couldn’t have been achieved, cost?... I’m not a software engineer so I don’t know.
Dan
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Hi Des Towers,
Appreciate the information; find it interesting but kind of sad if that is the case… Just a little strange that my first couple of productions w/PD9 and the many others done w/PD8 did not exhibit this issue, was always able to get my trims within the “ball park” that I was trying to achieve with relative ease.
As for most of my SD captures, I just transfer the DV content from my camcorder onto a DVD using a standalone burner via firewire then convert the VOBs to MPG format and we’re off, never ever an issue doing it this way.
Understand this is the day and age of HD content but there are many of us who have hours and hours of SD footage waiting to be viewed, can’t understand why Cyberlink would not design the software to be backwards compatible… Guess it’s time to get more acquainted with my Macbook Pro LOL, definitely works better for the task but hard to change “me” to their way of thinking or stray away from those Windows habits.
May have to stick to Windows Movie Maker for my simple edits and I mean simple, just a shame PD cannot handle the same… Have many other programs but really like PDs layout, simplicity and ease that edits can be done (when working properly) and the ability to “up” than anti if one so desires.
Dan
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Hi garioch7,
Thanks for the suggestion… Guess with all the frustrations I forgot about the split function, don’t believe we tried that with my latest production so may just give it a go. Wasn’t looking to be too precise as “close enough” would have done the trick but couldn’t even get anywhere near that.
The thing is I produced a couple of other videos w/PD9U and the trim function appeared to work fine then so not sure what went wrong now. Glad to hear PD is working well for you; just wish my luck was as good… Like I mention previously, the first PC didn’t like PD9 so we upgrade systems (PC) and it’s turning out no better… Even a re-install of PD didn’t solve anything.
This latest footage was taken from different sources so all the clips were not from the same batch or camcorder.
HDedit,
That’s the kicker, I’m not editing HD content at this time just the same old SD content I’ve played around with for the past 12+ years and surely it must be able to do that… My PC purchased in 2001 w/P1.8GHz and 768 MB Ram did a better job with this same footage.
As for PD8, it’s what I was using until the decision was made to upgrade, kind of disappointed to have to revert back since my plans were to edit more HD content but just might have to since my measly Toshiba 1.5GHz C2D could edit HD using PD8… Using an i5-450 now w/512 ATI video.
PAX 123,
That’s just what I was doing… Simply put I was adding a sound clip (music) at the beginning (title only but on lower track and not during actual video footage) and an audio clip at the end (credits), even resorted to rendering the first half then adding it to the last half, still went all wonky… Did not try “rendering” each segment separately then combining them to see if that solve it… This happened when using SmartSound and my own clips of various formats.
In the end… We’re having trouble staying loyal to PD as it’s becoming more of an annoyance with every version, the idea was to “produce” movies and not trying to solve glitches in software which I find myself doing more of… I’m fully aware that every piece of software has its problems yet PD hasn’t gotten better in my case, the frequent “crashing” issues I encountered with previous versions still persists in PD9 and my solution was to slow down the pace but not sure if we can go much slower.
One could say maybe it’s my PC with the problems and you could very well be right except… I have 12 computers of various configurations and PD has been tried on a few and can’t say any of the installs have eliminated “any” of the issues I’ve encountered.
Dan
PS Thank you all for your suggestions as it's very much appreciated, after we calm down I might look further in it.
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So nobody has encounter a similar issue as mine?
Decided to give it another go today and turned out to be another big waste of time... tweak, render and check results... Repeated that operation several times only to be met with dismal results.
If I use the trim option and find the point where I want the clip to end, as soon as I click on the "mark out" button the clip is automatically "scrubbed" backwards several seconds far from my intended point.
Tried manually trimming on the timeline with no better success, may look fine at that moment but is not when played as a whole or rendered... Like I said previously zooming in and out of the timeline alters the clips?
I can view the clips within PD9U and they “can” look fine, render the video, view, and I end up with clips that are shorter or longer than wanted as well as portions of a clip will be repeated and inserted elsewhere within the video????
Obviously looks like PD9U is a lost cause for me, not sure if I'll revert to ver. 8 or move on to something other... At this moment my mood is saying the latter LOL.
Dan
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Neil,
Thanks for your reply but guess I wasn’t clear enough in my explanation…
The old clips I’m working on are raw untouched files and have never been previously edited in any program; they are from my DV camcorder and were burnt onto a DVD. They play fine on a standalone player, PC, even in PD9U… It’s just when I go to edit them that problem arise.
Reverting back to PD8 is definitely an option and something which I did when installing the first release of PD9U, this was on another machine and the initial experience was bad to say the least… PD9U was slow, crashed often plus a few other issues so waited till a patch came fourth plus upgraded my equipment and tried again... Still not happy with the reliability and performance issues that seem to have compounded, gradually gets worse with every version.
As a side note I must say that in my opinion the type of editing I’m doing now would be considered very, very basic and could be done in any simple editing program, yet it is nice to have the option to go further.
Dan
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The more I use PD9U (ver 9.0.0.2504) the worse it seems to get and think it may be time to throw in the towel, my initial experience with PD (ver7) wasn't anything to write home about but at least it was useable, now it's getting to the point that creating videos is no fun at all and just a big waste of time with the results being less than stellar. Thought going back and editing some old SD content would be a breeze but it's far from it.
Had a problem recently where if I'd add more than one sound clip to the timeline the first would become out of sync or altered in some fashion, a fresh install did nothing to rectify... Now the newest glitch is when I'm trimming video clips, can't get anywhere close to being precise on the trim and and if I zoom in or out on the timeline the results differ (the clips are altered by PD automatically) or if I change one clip the other reverts to something other than what was intended... This is all done by moving from left to right and not a situation where I'm going back and editing a clip previously inserted which shouldn't be a problem either. In the trim window when I press pause at the point I want the clip to end it scrubs back/forwards several frames from where I wish it to pause and I mean several, readjusting the clip just muddles everything up and we end up starting over fresh... All clips are unaltered form the original other than trimming with not transitions or effects applied.
As of now I'm editing SD content in mpg format on a HP ProBook w/Win7 Pro 64-bit/i5(M450)/4GB Ram/ATI Radeon HD5470 w/512MB/500GB HD (7200RPM)... And just in case someone wants to comment that this is not adequate enough for the job, previously I was editing AVCHD content on a Toshiba notebook w/Win7 Home 64-bit/C2D 1.5GHz/4GB Ram/ATI Radeon HD2400 w/128MB/320GB HD (5400RPM)... Had PD8 on the Toshiba and although it was slow editing HD content the experience was far better as were the results. Further more, I was editing the exact same content in 2001/06 as I am now (that's when the footage was taken) on a P1.8GHz/Win XP Home/768MB Ram/GPU 16 MB and the experience was pretty enjoyable.
“Back in the Day” the program I chose to use worked pretty well but it's feature-set was somewhat limited, as the company brought fourth newer and supposedly more improved versions it's stability and usefulness became a big concern, so much so that I abandoned ship as many others did... Is this where PD is heading?
Dan
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In a nutshell, when I add more than one audio clip to the timeline the second clip is near impossible to get in sync or to work properly... Video will freeze at the point second audio file is to play, audio is delayed or the first audio clip gets altered. In some cases it can be resolved with much time spent tweaking the audio files length and position on the the timeline but usually I give up before it's sorted out as I've spent literally hours with dismal results and no resolve.
Just as a test I rendered a project leaving out the second audio clip then creating a new project to which I inserted the rendered file, added the second audio clip and I am faced with the same results.
Have the latest version of PD9U (9.0.0.2504) with all patches applied and even performed a complete reinstall a short while back. The type of audio files have not made a difference and even SmartSound causes the same problems... Video clips are mosly of the SD (4:3) variety at the moment but have had similar results with HD content.
Haven't created many projects w/PD9U but I sort of remember the few vids I created before applying the latest patch were not an issue but not 100% sure, anyone else having this problem in a similar fashion?
Laptop: hp ProBook 4520s (For those light duty jobs only)
CPU = Intel i5 = M450
GPU = ATI 512MB
RAM = 4GB
O/S = Win7 Pro (64-bit)
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I just began encountering the same problem in regards to the “Runtime Error”, worked for the first DVD I burnt yesterday then after that it constantly would error out… I know one can just hide the dialog box but this shouldn’t be… Could have very well been a Windows Update that triggered this but since I’m not an expert in that area I can’t be sure.
Tried reinstalling but the results were the same, even a Windows System Restore to a point prior to me noticing this problem failed. Decided not to waste my time trying to correct so removed Power2Go and will move onto something else… Hopefully a solution with come fourth soon and just maybe I’ll revert back.
Dan
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I posted a few weeks back about this same issue (lag/hang when going to help/about) and have two machines that exhibit this issue, have the latest update (build 2508) on both. On one of the PCs I even uninstalled/reinstalled but the problem persists, haven’t had time lately to check and see if anything else is amiss.
PC1: Toshiba Laptop
Core2 Duo T5250 (1.5GHz)
4 GB DDR2
ATI Mobility Radeon HD2400 128MB VRAM
320 GB SATA HD 5400RPM
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
PC2: ASUS P5K MB
Quad Core Q9550 (2.83 GHz)
8 GB DDR2
nVidia GeForce GTS250
2 – 500 GB SATA HDs 7200 RPM
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Dan
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Performed an uninstall/restart/reinstall along with the 2220 update (not 2220c), encountered the same issues as before (lagging/freezes). Once more performed the operation as above but this time left it at the 1930 build, all seems to be working as should now albeit I’m expecting more crashes if I perform operations too quickly. Will wait and see if an updated patch newer than 2220c comes fourth before venturing further.
Not sure why patch 2220 started to cause issues all of a sudden but from what I’m reading there are a few issues of various natures cropping up with the 2220c patch, good to know I’m not the only one lol.
Dan
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Hi Dafydd,
Thanks for your response... I agree with you that my notebook does not meet the criteria but if you read my initial post you’ll see that this happens while doing a simple slideshow with photos only, a 5 minute piece with music. Editing AVCHD files created in MXP mode at 24 Mbps wasn’t as much of a pain as one would think, surprised the heck out of me… Of course I wasn’t able to multi-task with the PC either when PD8 was processing any data.
As for the problem, just going to “Help”, “About” will cause the program to freeze big time to the point I have to force a shutdown PD8, other actions are a little more forgiving allowing the program to recover in short order, “any” other function initiated causes small lags/freezes… All of my other programs are running normally as they were before.
I can assure you that all my computers are working at their best as I’m constantly on top of regular maintenance, very adamant about that.
Thanks… Dan
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Hello Kevin,
Thank for the quick replay... As to your question I have not done a uninstall/reinstall as of yet but will shortly, just a shame this had to happen when all was working decent... You know what they say "if it ain't broke don't fix it" lol.
I understand what you are saying in regards to my laptops specs being on the low side but as mentioned in my initial post it worked surprisingly well, nothing has really changed since then. As with all computers things do go awry for no apparent reason and the quick solution is to reinstall, could do some investigating but from my experience I’ll end up spending more time that it’s worth.
Tempted to give the patch a go on my desktop… Q9550 (2.83 GHz), 8 Gigs ram, 512 MB dedicated video… If all went well then obviously something went amiss on my notebook and if not, problem with patch… That’s my way of thinking considering what I know in regards to my PCs past performance.
Dan
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First off I’d like to say that the laptop I’m using originally came with Vista-32 bit and 2 gigs of ram, Core 2 Duo (1.5 GHz) and 128 MB dedicated video. I’ve upgraded the ram to 4 gigs and installed Windows 7-64 bit, surprisingly I have been able to edit AVCHD files from my Canon VIXIA HF200 with little troubles other than the usual PowerDirector 8 crash if I perform operations too fast… You’d think it would be the other way around.
My problem… Installed the update 2220c and now the program lags or there are short freezes when performing any function whatsoever, no crashes as of yet… And this is when doing a simple slideshow with photos only, not even going to think about trying to edit AVCHD video (did a little low res video with similar issues) as I’ve done before until I’ve rolled back to the previous version. Anybody else experience this type of issue with the latest update?
PS I have a desktop that is more than capable but have not applied the update to it as of yet, not sure I will either.
Thanks... Dan
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Thanks CLD, maybe you got something there as that didn't even dawn on me. I remember editing on a P4 1.8 GHz and 768 Mb ram few years back with little trouble but these days it's completely new ball game. I'll keep investigating on my end just in case there is something amiss with my setup, will post if come up with anything concrete. Thanks again for your fast response
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I’ve been editing AVCHD video from my Canon HF200 and have yet to try less demanding media so weather this is my issue I do not know. Running Vista-64 w/4 gigs ram and quad 2.83 GHz, video is a nVidia GT8600, not the most up-to-date but does the trick. Vista in general has been a sore spot with me from day one and will be upgrading to Windows 7 when it’s released, may solve some issues.
Upgraded PowerDirector Utra to Ver. 8 from seven in hopes the crashes I was experiencing with 7 would have been rectified… Well… That wasn’t the case. Found during editing that adding/removing media from the timeline would cause a crash if doing things too fast, so slowed down a bit… Did not eliminate problem but helped a tad, was never overzealous to begin with. Another problem was that even though I had saved my work at every change, after a crash and reopening the project some of my videos were corrupt… They still resided on the timeline but thumbnails were blacked-out and there was only sound, no video.
Must say that the rendering end of things has been flawless up to this point and particularly like the Facebook upload feature in Ver. 8, ten times faster to the point where the video can be viewed. Really like most of the features in PD Ultra and just hope I can get the crashing issues worked out.
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