Messages posted by Nick 1228 in PA

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

That's why I said this: Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

I've had another look and I think it is something to do with compression. If you produce in H264 try H265 or XAVC or visa versa.

Thanks will try! Appreciate it, and everyone's help.

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Hello,

For me this is a "compression" problem and not necessarily through PD14 but possibly of your support card (SD or better). It happens many times. Have you tried an other editing prog to compare?

Success!

Alain II

As a last resort, try rendering in Quicktime, I've heard that it handles banding very well

Thanks again everyone ... still working on it ... AVC and H265 helped a bit but still there. Alain, not sure what you mean by support card' ... you mean my computer graphics card?

>Alain, not sure what you mean by support card' ... you mean my computer graphics card?

No, the support on which you record your raws of your camera. Check if other (SD?) cards give this also or if you have this effect in an other editing prog?

Alain II

Alain is quite right. Make sure your card is speed class 10 and UHS speed class 3

Robert

Yes my memory cards are good ... thanks. All my images are fine until PD is used. I've tried some different producing parameters in PD and there's some improvement. Still not eliminated though, but some progress I think!

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

That's why I said this: Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

I've had another look and I think it is something to do with compression. If you produce in H264 try H265 or XAVC or visa versa.

Thanks will try! Appreciate it, and everyone's help.

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Hello,

For me this is a "compression" problem and not necessarily through PD14 but possibly of your support card (SD or better). It happens many times. Have you tried an other editing prog to compare?

Success!

Alain II

As a last resort, try rendering in Quicktime, I've heard that it handles banding very well

Thanks again everyone ... still working on it ... AVC and H265 helped a bit but still there. Alain, not sure what you mean by support card' ... you mean my computer graphics card?

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

That's why I said this: Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

I've had another look and I think it is something to do with compression. If you produce in H264 try H265 or XAVC or visa versa.

Thanks will try! Appreciate it, and everyone's help.

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

That's why I said this: Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

I've looked and looked again, now I think I see what you mean. I would describe it as a black curtain coming down - am I seeing right?

YES! The black curtain of weirdness ... it's wrecked so much of my stuff.

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

That's why I said this: Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Yes I will and thank you!

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

And me again: If you go to full screen on that Vimeo clip it's more apparent. Very top of frame at the start, and coming down from the top at the end.

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

Also ... my original render from LRTimelapse is unaffected with no problems ... it's a PD issue.

Quote

Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Hi Nick

I think the fact that you are not getting a great response may be down to the fact that what you explain is very difficult to see. However, I had a look at the still under magnification and could see what I thought might be due to, too higher an ISO setting creating some noise. I don't know if you were using manual or auto settings, but checking the ISO may be worth a try.

Also, have you checked "Reduce Blocky Artifacts" in preferences > produce - Reduce Blocky Artifacts.

Robert

Thanks ... it is hard to see in what I posted but it's there. ISO varies and it's not high when this happens; it varies. I am stumped and it's frustrating. Maybe I can find a worse example and put it up there ...

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Quote I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

Sorry, I don't see it at 1080 resolution. But I don't get a fade at 5 seconds, just a jump from light to dark. After that it's too dark to see a shimmer.

Thanks ... yes I just joined two clips together; the beginning and end of the project. You do have to look very clsoely, I know. Maybe the still I attached gives a better look?

I can't conquer this and it's making me crazy. It ruins my videos and requires work-arounds to disguise it that aren't what I want to do and don't work that well.

When fading in or out on a light (sometimes dark) sky scene, I get this weird 'shimmer' thing. problem clip -- ten seconds on Vimeo and you have to watch closely. Also attached a screen shot here. Can someone please help?!?

Note: I render with LRTimelapse and the results are fine ... PD puts on the shimmer.

It's not showing up in the project library. If I try to import the file from the PD folder, I get "file is broken or unsupported format or protected video content or another reason ..."

Thanks ...

Nick

Thanks! I'm out of almost no one's league, believe me. I'd never heard of 'RAW" until I started getting into timelapse stuff last year. It also took me a while to get the LR-T & Lightroom stuff down.

Anyway I figured -- in my limited way -- that there must be something going on with formats and codecs and compression etc.

I will look into this and I appreciate the help!

Nick

Yes sorry for the non clarity. I import a 4K MP4 into PD.

Thank you! The ones here are BWI from the parking garage ... didn't get rousted and it worked well.
Anyway ... Here's my flow: I shoot in RAW, use LR-T and Lightroom to develop, and from Lightroom, I export 4K JPEGs to LR-T. That's where I render the timelapse after deflickering etc. That version always looks clean.
When I bring to PD for slight zooming, or as part of a feature with 8-10 different timelapses and transitions, I get the bad effect. I get it even without any zooms applied; I've tested. Just on dark skies. Actually this BWI sequence most of all.
PD-14 has some editing troubles with 4K but I can put up with it most times. This shimmer drives me crazy ...
Thanks again ... Nick

'Shimmer' seems the best description. Can't defeat it. Examples (same clip, one in 2K, one in 4K):

https://vimeo.com/187238098

https://vimeo.com/187238097

No real difference that I can see ... also it's not a Vimeo problem. I rendered the timelapses in LRTimelapse and they look fine. Source pix are 4K. Once I bring them into PD-14 as part of a larger project, this weird sky effect happens.

Any assistance appreciated!

Nick