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This is a snapshot from a Panasonic SD9 clip:
http://www.4shared.com/file/68297578/3e24e248/Original.html
Here is a snapshot of a clip which has been rendered by PD which is unable to use SVRT on the SD9 clips.
http://www.4shared.com/file/68297588/b9bcfe87/AVCHD_1080i.html
Here is a snapshot of a competitor's rendering which will quick copy the clips if they haven't editing applied ie SVRT equivalent
http://www.4shared.com/file/68298322/ff6893f7/Ulead_AVCHD_1080i.html
Quite a difference to me and it is noticeable when played back over a media player.
I hope PD can see if they can get the SD9 to be recognised as a standard profile so SVRT can be utilised as PD7 really is my preferred software.
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Reporting back from much testing.
I was unhappy with the rendering of PD for AVCHD and after taking several snapshots (using PD) I have good reason.
Here is the original frame from an .MTS file (Panasonic SD9)
http://www.4shared.com/file/68297578/3e24e248/Original.html
Here it is rendered with PD using AVCHD default profile
http://www.4shared.com/file/68297588/b9bcfe87/AVCHD_1080i.html
Here it is using mpeg HD profile
http://www.4shared.com/file/68297595/de16b37b/HD_1080i.html
And here it is using an opposition software set to a profile "same as original clip" (see other post on SVRT)
http://www.4shared.com/file/68298322/ff6893f7
/Ulead_AVCHD_1080i.html
The mpeg HD shows some interlacing artifact on the spapshot which is not evident when viewing the video but the blurring in the AVCHD clip is very noticeable. There was no advantage to use the Blu-ray profile - it just upped the bit rate for no real gain in clarity.
So I have decided to render using the mpeg HD 1080i profile to maintain video quality. This is a bit of a shame as I thought AVCHD was the way to go. Only real problem is storage capacity and GBs are cheap now-a-day.
Hope this helps others using the Panasonic SD9 or AVCHD in general.
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Thanks William,
Same process here as well but no SVRT at all with any SD9 but OK as you say with HF100.
I have read a bit more and I am pretty certain it is the reference frames in the SD9 clips which do not comply to PD standards.
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pjc,
I was wondering if just upgrading to a quad core CPU would be acceptable or would I also need the better graphics card.
At the moment I believe the GPU rendering does not help AVCHD therefore of if your on board video can display HD video adequately there will be no real benefit of a dedicated video card for AVCHD. It did help for HD MPEG to reduce CPU utilization.
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What would happen if you reverted back to the integrated graphics? Would you still be able to play/edit your video with acceptable frame rates our would it become choppy again.
The new mainboard I got had no onboard video so I cannot test this. I would say all should be fine.
The reason I went Videocard upgrade first was that it was much cheaper option (initially).
regards
pjc
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I don't know why the Canon is fine but the Panasonic is not.
This is the info from a Canon HF100:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 13s 400ms
Bit rate : 7177 Kbps
Width : 1440 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
This is from a Pana SD9
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Duration : 10s 520ms
Bit rate : 6182 Kbps
Width : 1440 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
The only difference is the reference frames. Could this cause the whole video to have to be re-rendered?
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It will take time as you are changing compression algorithms: every frame has to be re-encoded!
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Unfortunately I agree - you may get a little frustrated working with the AVCHD clips with those specs. HD is not cheap  remember though you can burn AVCHD onto standard DVD which will then be read by Blu-Ray players ie if you have a PS3 you should be able to play back the Hi Def.
Check out this post
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/3991.page
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I have had a little investigation into my ACVHD clips. I have a Panasonic SD9 but also access to files from a Canon HF100. Both are interlaced with Top Field First (TFF) according to VideoStudio and Mediainfo.
When you use the auto select TV format PD detects them as Bottom Field First (BFF).
When previewing the clip in the Media area incorrect deinterlacing caused "line doubling" on vertical lines (see attached snap shot). When previewing in timeline the same frame is deinterlced correctly (see second snapshot). This does not change if selecting either TFF or BFF in the TV format box.
I rendered the clip both setting the field order as TFF and BFF. I played both on my networked mediaplayer outputting 1080i onto a HD Plasma. The BFF juddered as would be expected with the incorrect field order info being read by the media player. The TFF was smooth. However both clips were recognised by VideoStudio as BFF. So I am very confused.
Anyway I deduce that PD is not reading the field order correctly for these ACVHD clips and you need to manually select TFF.
edit : can't seem to get the files to attach
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I am pretty confident you should be using TFF (UFF). PD doesn't tell you under properties but VideoStudio does. There are also a few free downloads which analyze video clips for you (independent of PD) eg "Mediainfo"
I have had problems like yourself with the "preview" area of PD getting the field order wrong when there is obvious line doubling. It is though the preview defaults to LFF. But in the same point in the project window the frame is fine. My out put is read by my media player correctly and stills from the output file are correct in field order (ie no line duplication).
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Hi Bill,
Just had a quick look at the two files. I note that the field order is designated as LFF on both the clips. Is this native from the camera? My files from the HF100 are UFF. This is however a PAL version not NTSC like yours.
Could this be contributing to your problem?
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Thanks pjc, I am thinking of purchasing the SD9 & like to edit with PD7. From what I've read in this Forum so far, things look good.
Hi John,
My comments would be that :
1. you need a top end PC (CPU/GPU) to edit the files in PD quickly. Plenty of info on this forum if you search AVCHD
2. converting the AVCHD files to DVD results in a significant loss of PQ. I feel my old DV camera looks better converted to MPEG than the AVCHD does.
3. if you can play the AVCHD back natively (AVCHD disk in Blu-Ray player or media player) then it looks fantastic.
4. surround sound on the SD9 is great for the ambient sounds but the videoer's commentary tends to sound a bit odd in surround. The subject's voice is nice and front directed though. As others have mentioned there is absolutely no background motor noise (one of the main reasons I ditched the old tape based DV camera)
5. the mic picks up a fair bit of wind noise due to it's top position. I have fashioned a simple wind guard which is very effective.
6. the low light performance is only fair as can be expected from a CCD camera.
regards
pjc
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Hi
Re the Panasonic SD9 recommendation, does an SDHC card fit in the same reader as an SD card? Do you load the clips into PD7 using capture (from the camera or SDHC card in a reader) or do you just import the clips into 'Edit' via 'import media'
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The SDHC format is different to SD and you need a SDHC compliant reader (physically the same size though). I got a mini reader with my Sandisk SDHC card
You load the .MTS clips from the card reader into PD as you would files on your hard drive. I mostly copy the files onto my HDD first anyway.
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Q1 If you want full frame I would use AVC (probably not available on your version). otherwise DivX.
Q2 Don't know - don't have that version sorry
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Single layer DVD will only hold 60mins of HQ video. If you are concerned about keeping it as best quality as you can then that is 5 DVDs or 3 DL DVDs.
Wow!!
Barry is hinting that that is a bit of a marthon session. I often have two versions. One I keep for me & those who were on the trip and then the very much edited version for the friends to watch.
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Just a bit of info on my experience with AVCHD specifically from Panasonic SD9.
I thought I had a reasonable computer: Core2duo E6300 running at just over 2GHz, 2 GB RAM & on board audio/video.
I could edit with the clips very slowly and and playback was jumpy. CPU was maxing out.
Installed a GT8600 video card to off load the processor.
Improved the HD MPEG2 video playback but no real improvement on the AVCHD (doesn't support atm)
It was picked up that the Panasonic SD9 was causing specific issues with PD7 and a fix was found. Please click http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/3730.page for info on this issue.
(edit latest patch fixes problem)
Editing was now faster but playback still a problem.
I swapped PD to my second computer: a Pentium D at 3GHz and 1GB RAM and to my amazement it was smoother playback although still a little jumpy.
I was going to upgrade the E6300 to a Q6600 but as I was unsure whether clock speed or core number was more important I considered the E8500 at 3.16 GHz. After getting mixed reports from my searching the forums I decided to cover all bases and ended up getting a Q9550 and extra RAM up to 4GB (3.2 available on 32bit XP).
Happy to report playback is smooth with CPU utilisation at about 20%!!!!
My message : not sure whether you need the combo above but the ACVHD camera was much more expensive than the $600 I paid for it  .
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I've installed 2105, and have the same continuing problem.... No audio when I create a file.
Dave
Is there no audio when you play the file you created in PD (preview window)?
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pjc - I have sent you a PM yesterday - I've had no reply or email from you. I indicated in my post re the AVCHD Panasonic SD9 .mts file issue a solution would be available today. It is and I have it... I have tested it and it works!
1. Update PD7 to 2105 build
2. send me a reply to my PM
3. I will then send you a small file that will solve the issue "pretty darn quick"
Dafydd
[Moderator]
Replied on other thread (sorry for double posting). All working well. Thanks
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Thanks Dafydd,
Upgrade installed with "fix" implemented. All working smoothly now. Thanks for the reasonable turn around time for the solution - great service. I realize that often there are glitches in software but if those glitches are sorted quickly then that is good product support.
Thanks again for your efforts.
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pjc - I have sent you a PM yesterday - I've had no reply or email from you. I indicated in my post re the AVCHD Panasonic SD9 .mts file issue a solution would be available today. It is and I have it... I have tested it and it works!
1. Update PD7 to 2105 build
2. send me a reply to my PM
3. I will then send you a small file that will solve the issue "pretty darn quick"
Dafydd
[Moderator]
Thanks Dafydd
Have PMed you.
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Hasn't seemed to really help with Panasonic AVCHD .MTS files. Still very slow. Will give it a workout tonight.
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Hi,
Just an update on David's AVCHD issue (re Panasonic SD9, AVCHD files), I should have a corrective file for him to test and report back by tomorrow.
Summary of the issue: PD7 slows down and fails to function correctly when AVCHD's (AVCHD files created by a Panasonic SD9) are edited in the time-line.
Dafydd
I am in David's situation as well and am watching this space anxiously.
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