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Oh dear,
everything written is so ambiguous - let me try and be clear!
My workflow:
Edit my source files in another NLE, not PD10, including some After Effects work, titling etc.
Output my final edit to an uncompressed or high data rate compressed avi MVC file ( anything from 140mbs to 600mbs or above ) as 1280x720 50P (3D Bluray standard)
Import this file to PD10, make menu's and create 3DBD.
The data rate you mention for the AVCHD 3D blu ray is correct, the only way to up this is to utilise BluRay profile 5 which requires an expensive MVC encoder which produces two streams, a Base and Dependant stream which can have a maximum combined data rate of 60mbs.
All other 3D BD writers of a non professional nature will allow you to make AVCHD 3D discs with a maximum of 25mbs (vbr) so an average of 16mbs or there abouts.
Sonic Scenarist will do the real thing at about £20,000 as will DoStudio at £7,000 for the MVC coder alone!
Sony make Blueprint which I've asked for a trial copy of, but I guess it will cost a fortune too!
Paul
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Just a quick update:
All my work with PD10 is 3D - assets made in other software, final files are avi high data rate 3D MVC files.
My goal is to find a reliable workflow to create 3D BD from these files - its not been easy.
Basic system is Gigabyte X58 UDR3 i7 920 water cooled oc@ 4Ghz internal raid 0 4TB external Raid 5 4TB Nvidia GTX 285 6 gb ram. Samsung 500gb system drive. No Anti Virus Software.
If you follow this thread you can see I've had issues with the high data rate files I've been trying to use. As the render proceeds, the RAM is swallowed up until the OS stalls. The result is either, and, or a crash, a freeze in the video being created, or a tempory system panic creating a truncated file.
I've had moderate success with limiting the data rates in my master files, as well as the fame rates. 50P is a lot more intensive in data terms with MVC files, to cut a long story short, I found optimum data rates that produced a pretty high success rate.
All this time I've been running the OS and PD10 on the C drive. All my source data files are on the raid 5 and I've been outputting everything to the Raid 0.
I've juggled all this around too, using the C drive as suggested by some, turned off the over clocking - but the one thing that did help was turn off Shadow copies and the auto save. I Also clean out all tempory files before I try to do anything.
I recently added an OCZ 100gb SSD to a spare sata 2 port on my motherboard. I'm using this as a destination drive for renders in Produce and Folder output in Create Disc for 3D BD - I never burn directly to disc, I prefer to create a folder and check the streams are good. I also run Windows Task manager to keep an eye on the performance as it is very obvious when things go wrong.
Since fitting the OCZ I've not experienced a single failure, I've just created a 3D BD folder from an uncompressed MVC avi file with a data rate of 600mbs.
Maybe my experiences will help Cyberlink improve the data handling of PD10, as I do feel something is a little bit odd somewhere, and also help other users, I see many people on the forum having related issues.
I just attempted to create a new 3D BD folder to my Raid 0 instead of the OCZ, same 600mbs 3D MVC as above which worked perfectly: This is what happened, I've added a shot of the task manager showing the point at which things go nuts, all the ram is used and the CPU is shut down, the computer needs a hard restart and the folder is... gone
Paul
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Check out the last post in my topic:
"CPU and RAM Usage during 3D renders"
There maybe something there to help you out.
Paul
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I'm finally seeing some continuity in results!
This applies ONLY if you are making 3D AVCHD BD using externally created 3D MVC avi files, but may be a good rule of thumb if you are experiencing freezes in your rendered streams, or failed burn cycles.
1) Make sure you clean out all tempory files before you try to burn anything.
2) Make sure "shadow copies" is turned off for HD material in settings, if you are working with HD footage.
3) Make sure any source material which is MVC avi has a total data rate of less than 120mbs for any 50P content.
4) Make sure any source material which is MVC avi has a total data rate of less than 180mbs for 50i content.
5) Author your 3DBD folder first, check the streams are good after creation and then copy to BDR.
6) I suggest trying to create intermediate mp4 files from you edit material in Produce, and use these to create your disc, as mp4 is less demanding than AVCHD, this may help in certain cases.
7) I obtain the most reliable processing with the source files on one drive, and the output files created onto a seperate drive - despite other opinions, neither of the media drives I use are my system C drive - I follow fundamental NLE guidlines which suggest that the system drive is best for system files only, whilst huge media files are best kept on dedicated, seperate, fast drives, with Indexing turned off.
 Finaly, disable or remove any Anti Virus software you may have running on your system, it can cause fatal errors with file interrogation during processing.
It is preferable to have no internet connection on Editing Systems.
I'm now succeeding in creating 60 minute BDR streams without errors, from externally sourced high data rate MVC avi's using a variety of codecs - and very good they look too.
Paul
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Your file size 35GB exceeds a 25GB BD disc capacity - so buy some 50GB discs and select that size in the drop down menu in Disc creator, it will then burn.
I imagine Roxio will simply reduce the data rate automatically to something very low, so anything will fit on a 25GB disc - fine if you don't mind lousy quality, but the point about Blu-Ray is that you are after the best possible quality, which means a certain data rate is required to achieve this.
Hope this works
paul
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My 2D Blu ray player (Sony) has had none of these issues so far, and I do understand exactly regarding the base and dependant stream data rates - I have access to Scenarist BD but no menu designer, so I'm stuck with really slow and complex 3D menu work for that - haven't tried DoStudio - the trial is 2D only 
I also have huge issues with PD10 being unable to work with MVC files created by other software - bummer
If you check out the price of professional MVC encoders, they start around €6000 and up, so I guess more money =
more efficient.
Maybe my 3D editor will come good and provide 3D authoring soon!
Paul
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It's a mirracle it works at all for the money.
Rush out and buy DoStudio or Scenarist BD - they too have enough problems between them as well - and at a huge cost.
Whilst no where near standard - I've played these simple discs in 6 different 3D systems, and they do at least play, and look surprisingly good.
My hopes of finding a fully loaded 3D authoring system for 70 dollars were sadly dashed too, but I guess Adobe will eventually produce an Encore version with 3D - but watch out, it too may carry a rough price tag - probably to do with licensing.
Paul :
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Here's the report on an uncompressed 1280x720 MVC. I'll send a couple more of a different flavour later.
Paul
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Hi Kingsmeadow,
Your dead right, all this works very well, I have great success with this too.
As Dafydd points out, I'm trying to bring files in from other, 3rd party software - such as After Effects, without unfortunately, much success, so really I'm pushing PD10 to do things it probably can't at this stage.
Thanks for all your input !
I'll struggle onwards
Paul
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Absolutely,
Any industry standard MVC avi which is uncompressed should be accepted by PD10 - because it says so in the advertising information -
also any MVC avi which is compressed by any codec on your system should be acceptable to PD10 as well.
Obviously this is not the case, hardly surprising.
My point here, is that I'm trying to find a way into the 3D BD authoring process with the best possible quality, but despite the claims made by PD10 that it accepts avi MVC files - it does not.
An uncompressed file is too large to ship via the web, thanks for the offer, but I'm probably alone with this one!
Paul
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As per my original notes, try and produce an MVC AVC file for 3D BD - this is where the problem is appearing, producing any type of 2D or non MVC file is easy - PD10 does all this fine - you keep testing something which is not an issue.
Start with an MVC AVI file - if you don't have one, I'll post you a DVD with an uncompressed MVC .avi to try, then Produce an avc MVC 3D file - your system will die a death.
Thanks
Paul
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I think I'm slowly getting to the bottom of this -
It's only if you use
1) an avi MVC file as your source
2) and try to produce or author to a 3D BD MVC avc file.
Any other side by side file type, puts less strain on the system.
PD10 does not have the ability to produce an avi MVC file, so I guess the current version doesn't actually support
MVC avi files by default.
I can import them in various codecs which are on my system, and PD10 plays them fine, but it has a problem producing
an avc MVC file for use on a 3D BD disc from these avi's.
I imagine it simply hasn't been tested, as MVC is relatively new, and PD10 does not implicitly handle MVC avi.
I can arrive at my 3D BD successfully, but I would prefer to feed the Authoring stage with uncompressed or high quality compressed master files, not only mp4 and avchd which are pretty lossy.
Well, you can't expect to much from such a cheap piece of consumer software, but a few tweeks would make it pretty good.
Paul 
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Can anyone test the following:
Place a single 3D HD MVC file on the timeline, at least 15 minutes long, then set Produce to make an AVC 3D HD file.
Before starting the render, open Windows task manager and select performance to monitor what happens during the render process.
For me, everything starts well, all 8 threads at 100% and about 30% RAM is used, but slowly, the Cached RAM usage rises, the available RAM drops and the overall Physical memory usage rises to about 96%, at which point the CPU's activity drops to around 30% and a little of the RAM becomes available again, and back up goes the CPU.
This continues, as the overall processing slows down, projected completion gets longer and longer. Eventually, the RAM usage hits 99%, leaving no resource for anything and Windows processes freeze and the file Production fails at that point.
If you leave everything alone, the system recovers, but the file is truncated at the freeze up point, so not the full length.
It appears that PD10 is simply mauling the system without any limiting and depriving evrything else of resources - could this be related to the phantom file failures and vision freezes that are being reported?
if I do the same with 2D sources or even just a 2D destination AVC file, CPU usage drops to 70% and RAM usage never rises above 20% - all good.
Soooo, is the 3D renderer uncapped, and able to kill the system?
Anyone able to test this at all?
Paul
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Thanks, good point !
Paul
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Actually I want to be able to keep the folder and burn more BD's from it, rather than go through the "authoring" process each time, for each disc, so saving a lot of time, but it looks impossible with PD10, I reckon I have to find another app. which will burn BD from a folder made by PD10.
There "should" be an option to burn from folder as well as project.
Paul
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Dafydd,
What do you do with:
"There is also the "Create a Folder" in Final Output where data is written to a folder on one's Hard Drive"
I cannot see any facility in PD10 to use this folder at all for making faster copies of a finished project - suggestions??
Paul
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Dafydd,
I'm sure my odd methods only stem from crazy attempts to find a suitable workflow with PD10, sorry to say I have failed, but I think maybe its simply that I have misunderstood what PD10 is capable of.
I read the description for this software carefully, with statedments such as: "PowerDirector's supports all kinds of 3D content whether from files or straight from 3D cameras/phones" and "Support for all the most popular 3D video formats: MVC (M2T), Side-by-Side, Top-Under, and Dual-Stream AVI "
I also see that in the Create Disc section, there is a button which says " Content, Import Additional Videos"
Because of these statements I believed that it would be possible to import files such as avi's from other non PD10 sources and work with them successfully, don't get me wrong, I have had some joy using native files from a Sony TD10, but everything else has problems when trying to encode a 3D BD correctly.
Oh yes, my last and final attempt was to install a clean version of 64bit win7 on a large Samsung drive, install latest graphics drivers, Bios and a fresh install of PD10. Results are exactly the same.
I conclude that PD10 isn't actually able, or is not really designed to deal with the variety of sources that is randomly claimed in the sales pitch, but will work with specific file types, this is where I've either not understood the limitaions or have been slightly misled. Either way, hopefully Cyberlink will iron out these wrinkles at some time in the future and help those people who are trying to create 3D content themselves, rather than simply watching movie clips.
Some users claim a great level of success with 3D and PD10, so I can only imagine that there's a bit of coding to sort out and all will be well.
OK, back to Scenarist and After Effects for a little light relief !
Paul
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I've experienced this too, as well as the inability to create 3DBD correctly, my belief is that PD10 is "unfit for purpose" and refunds should be available to those users unable to create media as described in the advertising information on the Cyberlink pages.
Paul
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Completely clean install, no other software, using system drive, all default settings, burn to 3D BD, files freeze towards the end of the clip, or fail before the end of the clip.
Windows 7, GTX285, latest drivers, i7 920 no overclock, 500gb Samsung 7200 C drive, no anti virus soft running, 6Gb RAM, 400 GB drive space on C.
PD10 simply fails to deliver on 3D BD projects, I've wasted 2 weeks on this, I'm going for a refund.
Paul
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I'm just building a clean win 7 install on a 500gb Samsung spinny drive, no other soft, to test PD10 alone.
We'll see if there is any difference at all !!
Paul
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