Hmmm...

Placed the clips several times on the timeline.....and they played back with varying success. Sometimes they played smoothly and other times they began to stutter when it hit the second clip on the timeline. I was also checking and unchecking "hardware decoding" in preferences in "hardware acceleration" to see if that made a difference. It definately got worse when my graphics card was removed from the playback equation. But basically it played back good enough for me to edit and add transitions.

It didn't overload my CPU, which hovered around 10% - 15% during playback. My graphic card was running at between 0% & and 10% during playback. And my memory usage was at 50% of my 6 gigs of Ram. So nothing really taxed my system to point the finger at hardware as the cause of the stuttering in my case. The only thing that is different for these clips from mine is frame rate (60 fps) and bit rate (24Mbps). I sure do like the increased bit rate....it is certainly better in quality.

Now I am still using the beta version of PD9 build Build 2215...and my preview setting was set to the highest level it could go(classified :wink. I also produced the file to an AVC h.264 @ 190X1080 24Mbps bitrate(same as the original) and it looked great to me!

Because of the frame rate (60fps) SVRT was not an option for me. Is that correct? The 60 fps keeps the SVRT option from working?

My conclusion is that most of the problem with the clips is a result of the 60 fps, at least on my rig. I can play my Sony 1920X1080, 30fps, 17000 Mbps with no stuttering...unless of course my project gets really big or I have multiple video tracks full of content.

Brent can you change any of the settings in your camera? Can it be changed to 30 fps or is that not an option? I am not that familiar with the camera.

I hope this helps....I don't know if there is a fix for you with your PC or drivers. And I can't explain why the problem recently occurred for you. The only thing I can think of is that you might have made a change to your camera settings? Probably unlikely, you would have thought of that. But worth mentioning.

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Much thanks for the followup. I bought this Panasonic TM 700 in June and had not produced anything except for some bare bones 10 minute videos I put on YouTube. They mainly are of soccer. It sounds like I need to try to reset my fps to 30 for future recordings.
And it also sounds like there isn't anything that can be done for my soccer project for the team party on Dec 9. Or any other project recorded and captured to date.

I did some additional research and found that: (most of this you will giggle at cuz it's all old hat for you but news to me)

Since my camera is HD, it is captured as ACVHD
PD doesn't support ACVHD

It seems that I should, for the time being, try to find software that does support this recording as well as recognize the camera so I can capture directly into the editing program.

Any other ideas will of course be greatly appreciated and followed up on as best my tech deprived brain can decipher the suggestion.

Brent

Hi Brent,

Since my camera is HD, it is captured as ACVHD
PD doesn't support ACVHD

Could you share where you got that information? Maybe I am missing something. As far as I know PD does support AVCHD, this is the format my camera uses. But it seems to struggle with the 60fps version that your camera produced.

It seems that I should, for the time being, try to find software that does support this recording as well as recognize the camera so I can capture directly into the editing program.

As far as capturing directly into the software this is not the typical way to import footage into the editing program. Capturing is usually done with "tape" media where the files cannot be directly placed onto your PC's hard drive. The way to import your clips is to transfer them to your PC's hard drive and then "import" them into the application like you have been doing. The fact that it doesn't recognize your camera is not unusual, since that is not how you import clips with your type of camera. does that make sense?

I am not sure of what the other programs support as far as 60fps....but worth looking into.
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My lates post just shows where my learning curve is at. I have been importing using Panasonic's software but didnt realize it was doing what you said. I just talked with a service rep at Panasonic He told me that the fps can't be changed in the camera but it can be changed from 1080p to 1080i. Which should I record at to avoid this stuttering and clip stoppage?

I went to a site listing the top ten video editing softwares (PD was #1 by far according to them). They had a comparison chart reflecting the various capabilities between all 10. AVCHD was not checked.

So, for my soccer video, it sounds like I'm stuck for now with the stuttering and stoppage? I seem to recall an earlier post mentioning a software to help fix that. I look for it.

Brent

Brent;
Ignoring the stuttering in preview...have you tried to PRODUCE the video and use another program/viewer (like Splash-Lite or Windows Media Viewer) to view the results???

Thanks Fred
I haven't gone so far as producing but I did goto the produce page when I was testing 10 clips. In the preview window, I had the same results (stuttering & stoppage). Not knowing any better or different, I didn't go any further.
So it sounds like what you're saying is that preview is the the same whether it's in Edit or Produce.

I'm also gathering that maybe I should produce in a format other than .avi. Would .mpeg or .mpeg2 work?

I have to leave to work out of town in just a few minutes and will be gone until Thurs afternoon. But I can check my email for your comments during the week.

Brent

Yes, I am saying to PRODUCE and ignore the preview..then use another program to view the results.

I suggest that you use the higher formats (MP4 or H.264) first, to get best images. Just make a new project and do a short produce (like one or two clips) and see how it looks! MPG2 is ok also.

What if he converts to MP4 or something similar, using PD or even download the trial of MediaEspresso and use that? It wouldn't take very long, and Brent could go on to edit.
MPEG2 should be smooth also, but the project would lose the HIDEF. On a DVD, that wouldn't matter.
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MediaShow plays the mts files without a problem.

I have provided the data to CyberLink.

Dafydd

Kevin -

I had almost identical observations on my machine...
1. variable playback in preview - sometimes smooth, sometimes jerky at clip change, sometimes video "froze" at clip change while audio continued
2. no SVRT
3. 1080p (60fps) @ 28MBps is an editing challenge
4. when producing, whatever the format/profile selected, the progress bar paused at the clip changes

This would appear to confirm what Brent was told by the Panasonic tech guy... http://panasonic.net/avc/camcorder/hd/hs700_tm700_sd700/specifications.html

Brent - Since your purpose is to edit these clips and produce DVDs for the team members, it would make your editing less painful to produce each clip (without editing) to MPEG-2 & use those files for editing. Yes - quality loses something in translation, but it's going to end up in that format anyway.

I'd agree with the captain that it's not an AVCHD issue, but a 1080p/60fps problem.

Cheers - Tony


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I did a quick Google of the TM700, and here were some quotes:

However, when you shoot with the HDC-TM700's native 1080/60p setting, the camcorder uses a proprietary MPEG-4 codec that isn't really compatible with anything other than Panasonic's provided software. Yes, the video shot with the 1080/60p setting looks stunning when you play it back on an HDTV, but the only way you can really do this is by playing back the footage directly from the camcorder. We couldn't find any third party software that would import or recognize the 1080/60p clips shot with the HDC-TM700, although we expect this to change if 1080/60p recording becomes more prevalent in the future.

XXXXXXXXX is a nice video editing software for me because of its low price and easy to use feature. I always use it to edit my video files downloaded from websites. And it works fine. But when I tried to edit MTS video recordings from my new Panasonic HDC-TM700, I noticed that AVCHD video files can not be recognized.
Like the problems mentioned above, lots of Panasonic TM700 owners have difficulty in importing and editing its generated 1080p 60fps AVCHD video files. And the best solution is converting Panasonic TM700 MTS to MPEG for XXXXXXXXX MTS Converter. This program is a professional one in converting 1080p 60fps/50fps MTS to MPEG as well as editing and joining MTS files into one for better playing and editing.

However, in XXXXXXX the preview is not entirely smooth, it drops a few frames, and has some small glitches during playback. In HD Writer it's perfect as far as I can tell. Any suggestions on configuration settings to help make it smoother?

These are some quotes from various forums from other manufacturers. They all seem to tell the same story. The proprietary codec that Panasonic uses makes it difficult for most video editing packages to deal with. Most solutions are to convert the video files to a more friendly variety, like mentioned by Barry and others. Cyberlinks Media Espresso is an easy way to BATCH convert lots of files easily. I imported your two clips into Media Espresso and converted them to another file type. h.264, 1920X1080 with a 15,000Mbps and imported them into PD. They were far less jumpy due to the resulting 30fps difference.

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Mark - Post under your own NEW thread Topic and not here. This is Brent's issue.
Thanks

Just so you know. What you're doing is hijacking a thread - not what should be done.

Your post will be removed.

Dafydd

Well, I guess that answers his question about whether he was breaking the rules!!

Mark;
This post is dealing with a specific camera, Thanks.

Dafydd, I see your response telling him you were moving his post but no idea WHERE his post went?? Oh, nevermind..I see...Removed.

Cheers,

I know about Hijacking. I can write it all up and post it again. You will notice that I had offered some solutions that seemed to work for me.

The issue is being investigated by R&D at CyberLink and any likely improvement will be made to the next PD released.

I have locked this thread as there is now no more that can be done - if I receive any additional information I will post it.

Thank you all for contributing. Note: The sample video file (obtained by Fred) was an important bit of data.

Dafydd