In Preferences under the General tab place a checkmark in Enable HD Shadow files.
Bring your video clips into the project library and you will see yellow arrows on the HD clips.
Wait until ALL those arrow turn green, this indicates the shadow/proxy files have finished generating.
You can now edit using proxy files, just drag and drop from the Library, PD has secretly quietly replaced your clips with lo-res proxies. When you produce your project PD will know to use the real files on it's own, and your resulting media file will be created from the real originals. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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Quote In Preferences under the General tab place a checkmark in Enable HD Shadow files.
Bring your video clips into the project library and you will see yellow arrows on the HD clips.
Wait until ALL those arrow turn green, this indicates the shadow/proxy files have finished generating.
You can now edit using proxy files, just drag and drop from the Library, PD has secretly quietly replaced your clips with lo-res proxies. When you produce your project PD will know to use the real files on it's own, and your resulting media file will be created from the real originals.

thank you, I think i might have not asked the right question, i have seen you cand take a 4k clip and convert it to another format like avi import that edit it then close Powerdirector and some how swap the clips? does that make sense? thanks

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Quote In Preferences under the General tab place a checkmark in Enable HD Shadow files.
Bring your video clips into the project library and you will see yellow arrows on the HD clips.
Wait until ALL those arrow turn green, this indicates the shadow/proxy files have finished generating.
You can now edit using proxy files, just drag and drop from the Library, PD has secretly quietly replaced your clips with lo-res proxies. When you produce your project PD will know to use the real files on it's own, and your resulting media file will be created from the real originals.

thank you, I think i might have not asked the right question, i have seen you cand take a 4k clip and convert it to another format like avi import that edit it then close Powerdirector and some how swap the clips? does that make sense? thanks

You have already seen my response to ShakerAwaiting on this thread http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/51047.page. All three methods, whichever you decide to use, involve the use of proxy files.

Shadow files are proxy

Magic+PD files create proxy files.

The substitution method creates proxy files

PROXY just means to use something else in place of something

In this case by creating proxy files you take huge files and replace them with smaller easier to handle files, when you are done editing, depending on the method you chose, the files are replaced with the originals for production Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

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Quote In Preferences under the General tab place a checkmark in Enable HD Shadow files.
Bring your video clips into the project library and you will see yellow arrows on the HD clips.
Wait until ALL those arrow turn green, this indicates the shadow/proxy files have finished generating.
You can now edit using proxy files, just drag and drop from the Library, PD has secretly quietly replaced your clips with lo-res proxies. When you produce your project PD will know to use the real files on it's own, and your resulting media file will be created from the real originals.

Sorry. Yes i have seen the other post i was unsure if creating your own prxy files had any benifit



thank you, I think i might have not asked the right question, i have seen you cand take a 4k clip and convert it to another format like avi import that edit it then close Powerdirector and some how swap the clips? does that make sense? thanks

You have already seen my response to ShakerAwaiting on this thread http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/51047.page. All three methods, whichever you decide to use, involve the use of proxy files.

Shadow files are proxy

Magic+PD files create proxy files.

The substitution method creates proxy files

PROXY just means to use something else in place of something

In this case by creating proxy files you take huge files and replace them with smaller easier to handle files, when you are done editing, depending on the method you chose, the files are replaced with the originals for production

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Quote In Preferences under the General tab place a checkmark in Enable HD Shadow files.
Bring your video clips into the project library and you will see yellow arrows on the HD clips.
Wait until ALL those arrow turn green, this indicates the shadow/proxy files have finished generating.
You can now edit using proxy files, just drag and drop from the Library, PD has secretly quietly replaced your clips with lo-res proxies. When you produce your project PD will know to use the real files on it's own, and your resulting media file will be created from the real originals.

Sorry. Yes i have seen the other post i was unsure if creating your own prxy files had any benifit



thank you, I think i might have not asked the right question, i have seen you cand take a 4k clip and convert it to another format like avi import that edit it then close Powerdirector and some how swap the clips? does that make sense? thanks

You have already seen my response to ShakerAwaiting on this thread http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/51047.page. All three methods, whichever you decide to use, involve the use of proxy files.

Shadow files are proxy

Magic+PD files create proxy files.

The substitution method creates proxy files

PROXY just means to use something else in place of something

In this case by creating proxy files you take huge files and replace them with smaller easier to handle files, when you are done editing, depending on the method you chose, the files are replaced with the originals for production

Hi cincydroneboy.

The only way to find out what is good for you in terms of time and easibility is to try each method. You don't have to try them with whole projects, just take, say, 5 minute, 4K clip, and see which is the most efficient for your particular need.

But you must remember to perform exactly the same editing on each clip if you are to get a fair comparison, Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

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Quote In Preferences under the General tab place a checkmark in Enable HD Shadow files.
Bring your video clips into the project library and you will see yellow arrows on the HD clips.
Wait until ALL those arrow turn green, this indicates the shadow/proxy files have finished generating.
You can now edit using proxy files, just drag and drop from the Library, PD has secretly quietly replaced your clips with lo-res proxies. When you produce your project PD will know to use the real files on it's own, and your resulting media file will be created from the real originals.

Sorry. Yes i have seen the other post i was unsure if creating your own prxy files had any benifit



thank you, I think i might have not asked the right question, i have seen you cand take a 4k clip and convert it to another format like avi import that edit it then close Powerdirector and some how swap the clips? does that make sense? thanks

You have already seen my response to ShakerAwaiting on this thread http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/51047.page. All three methods, whichever you decide to use, involve the use of proxy files.

Shadow files are proxy

Magic+PD files create proxy files.

The substitution method creates proxy files

PROXY just means to use something else in place of something

In this case by creating proxy files you take huge files and replace them with smaller easier to handle files, when you are done editing, depending on the method you chose, the files are replaced with the originals for production

Hi cincydroneboy.

The only way to find out what is good for you in terms of time and easibility is to try each method. You don't have to try them with whole projects, just take, say, 5 minute, 4K clip, and see which is the most efficient for your particular need.

But you must remember to perform exactly the same editing on each clip if you are to get a fair comparison,

I do not have any arrows that show. Do you mind posting a screen shot. Thanks for your time

I do not have any arrows that show. Do you mind posting a screen shot. Thanks for your time

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ok i got it, thanks for the help! i will try it this way

I'm not sure if this is completely relevant here, & I'm reasonably certain these observations have been made previously... but I'll post it just in case.

Robert (The Shadowman) & I were talking backstage about the relative speed of shadow file generation in different versions of PDR, so I ran a little test.

I used 4x 3840x2160 AVC H.264 clips (total duration ~2:20) and 4x 3840x2160 HEVC H.265 clips (also ~2:20 in total). The clips were from a few different cameras.



These numbers reflect performance on one modest PC, but you'd probably expect similar relativity.

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Quote I'm not sure if this is completely relevant here, & I'm reasonably certain these observations have been made previously... but I'll post it just in case.

Robert (The Shadowman) & I were talking backstage about the relative speed of shadow file generation in different versions of PDR, so I ran a little test.

I used 4x 3840x2160 AVC H.264 clips (total duration ~2:20) and 4x 3840x2160 HEVC H.265 clips (also ~2:20 in total). The clips were from a few different cameras.



These numbers reflect performance on one modest PC, but you'd probably expect similar relativity.

Cheers - Tony

At last it would seem that PD15 has brought shadow files up to a reasonable, workable standard.

Tony found that his 2 minutes 20 secs of clips were ready in 1:49.

I did the same test with Magic+PD, and 2 minutes 21sec were completed in 1:42.

So until I do some edit comparisons between Magic and Shadow Files it would seem that Magic has no advantage over shadow files with PD 15. However, with previous versions, as shown in Tony's test Magic has a clear advantage.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

thanks guys, i will just use the shadow files in PD15 then

Quote I'm not sure if this is completely relevant here, & I'm reasonably certain these observations have been made previously... but I'll post it just in case.

It was mentioned here, http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/49583.page#post_box_260748 at release of PD15. Also the no improvement for H.265 also got the traditional in vogue, "passed onto CyberLink" response but 4 months later, nothing.

Jeff

Quote It was mentioned here, https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/49583.page#post_box_260748 at release of PD15.

Thanks Jeff - the memory isn't what it used to be!

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Hi Tony - my memory is worse but I seem to recall that you did some tests and shadow files were very low resolution only which may not be ideal for some editing 4k. The advantage to Magic+PD is that you can smoothly edit 4k with 4k relatime preview.

cincydroneboy

Proxy editing is suported in many NLE programs and the user can specify the proxy resolution. Eg if you are editing H.264 4k you can select H.264 1080 or 720 HD proxy resolution. The program automatically generates the proxy files, uses them for edit, and exchanges them for your original 4k files to render 4k out. Proxy editing implies using a lower res file to edit.

Magic+PD uses a process called Transcoding which is now used in many edit programs as an automated process which converts the highly compressed H.264 4k camera files into a decompressed file using an intermediate edit friendly codec which substantially reduces the edit program workload and provides full resolution preview. In other programs you can select a codec like Cineform, DNxHd, MagicYUV, etc and it will create transcoded files prior to edit. For example the free editor GoPro Studo forces the user to convert GoPro H.264 mp4 files to Cineform prior to edit. Transcoding is also common practice in professional post producton edit workflows. PDR doesn't support Transcoding so users created Magic+PD to enable 4k editing on a home PC. It's not perfect, but it works, and may be worth a try Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
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Quote The advantage to Magic+PD is that you can smoothly edit 4k with 4k relatime preview.

Please explain and elaborate how you get 4K realtime preview with your Magic+PD when PD timeline display for editing is not currently capable of 4K display. From what I and others have posted timeline display in "Full HD Preview Resolution" is currently exactly that, which is not 4K. Maybe PD16, 17, 18?

Yes, PD shadow files are basic MPEG2, 720x480 for NTSC regions.

Jeff

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Quote The advantage to Magic+PD is that you can smoothly edit 4k with 4k relatime preview.

Please explain and elaborate how you get 4K realtime preview with your Magic+PD when PD timeline display for editing is not currently capable of 4K display. From what I and others have posted timeline display in "Full HD Preview Resolution" is currently exactly that, which is not 4K. Maybe PD16, 17, 18?

Yes, PD shadow files are basic MPEG2, 720x480 for NTSC regions.

Jeff

Jeff, I'm sorry, but you are nitpicking.

When I read the post, it was obvious to me that Al meant full HD preview as high as PD is capable of. Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

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Jeff, I'm sorry, but you are nitpicking.

When I read the post, it was obvious to me that Al meant full HD preview as high as PD is capable of.

Facts are facts, that's exactly what was written and as such I was challenging that it can be achieved and asked for elaboration, that's pretty simply and no nitpicking implied. Maybe a reg hack, maybe a ini file modification allowed timeline playback at 4K.

More than likely AIS simply did not know PD timeline does not display 4K. But also posts that others do

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Edius was great with real-time 4k preview (up to two layers) on my PC.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/250/46177.page#post_box_251085

So, why is it obvious that I read between the lines and understand what AIS really meant to imply was 4K real-time preview and at PD's real-time limited preview resolution?

Jeff

Hi Jeff - Point taken - must be old age!! "Edius was great with real-time 4k preview (up to two layers) on my PC." also "meant to imply 4K real-time preview at limited preview resolution" on my PC. Edius 8.2 can display UHD/4k using full screen playback on a 4k monitor via a 4k display port. 4k preview at 4k resolution is also possible in Resolve. I assume you understood what I meant - but I stand corrected.

FYI - "More than likely AIS simply did not know PD timeline does not display 4K" is incorrect - PDR does display a 4k timeline - but not at 4k resolution. Symantics can be confusing

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