Quote: Actually, three of the companies accept WMV, MP4 and Mov. However, the fourth one will actually broadcast the show in HD while the other three do not have that capability yet.

I ran into a glitch today while removing parts of a movie. Once I remove it, whether I choose to fill gap or not, the sound waves will not sync correctly. Any thoughts about that? I have about 40 clips on the time line, so maybe its on overload or something?

Remember, your audio/music tracks are running paralell with your video track. If you simply "split" the video, your corresponding audio tracks running paralell will be fine. If you "cut" chunks of video out, the same size chunk(s), will be cut from your audio. Or, maybe I misunderstood you. Power Director 14 Ultimate - Windows 10 Pro 64bit - Core i5 4670 @3.4 GHz - Nvidia GTX 780 - Asus Sabertooth Z87 - 16GB Corsair Ram @2400MHz

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Quote: if you just have 40 5 minute clips butted together, it should have taken about 200 minutes or about 3 and 1/3 hours to render.

You might want to rethink that position/statement in the future. Encode/render time has nothing to do with playback time. Many editors desire and buy hardware for a much better than 1:1 ratio. PD encode/render time is simply based on PC equipment and complexity of the timeline.

Attached pic is for 40, 5 min clips simply butted together with full CPU encoding/rendering, H.264, 1920x1080 (24Mbps) and took 72min, far less than the playback time of 200min.

Jeff

I have found this valuable discussion a bit late, after taking months to work out how to restore the HW acceleration options (tick boxes) in PD 13 by re-installing an older Geforce driver (337.88 ) for my GTX460M adapter. However, I am confused about rendering times - for a 10m 39s clip (with lots of reversed scenes and speed changes) I tried different formats and methods:

Speed with 'HW encoding' ticked:

- H.264 AVC MP4 1920x1080 25fps 16Mb/s took 00:54:45, resulting size 1.2Gb

- H.264 AVC MP4 1280x720 25fps 10Mb/s took 00:54:20, file size 783Mb

Speed with 'SVRT' ticked:

- H.264 AVC MP4 1920x1080 25fps 16Mb/s took 00:56:18, resulting size 1.2Gb

Speed with HW acceleration OFF - no significant difference in rendering time!

My system: MSI GT680 with core i7 2630QM, Win 7 64bit, 16Gb RAM, Geforce GTX630M (with 337.88 driver), SSD for applications and plenty of HDD space.

Are these times to be expected with my CPU? Is HA not working despite turned on (boxes ticked)? PowerDirector 13 Ultimate
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Are these times to be expected with my CPU? ...

yes. i have i7-2720QM(Dell XPS).

it's great that your SVRT is working; however, what percentage does the PD has to re-render(red portion)???

if your SVRT is around 90% green then it'll be lickydsplit!

if yours is around 30% green then, yup, go outside cut grass or make a coffee or...

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Is HA not working despite turned on (boxes ticked)? ...

PD14 will apply GPGPU acceleration(HA).



whenever you're shopping for next PC go to cpubenchmark -> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

and get the highest numbers on CPU & GPU that your bank account will allow to shorten the rendering time.

p.s.

PD favors intel cpu and nVidia gpu



here's a comparison between your laptop and mine.

Dell XPS L702X i7-2720QM = 6116 / GT 550M = 724

MSI GT680 i7-2630QM = 5559 / GT 630M = 674


my desktop AMD FX 8370E = 7788 / GTX 950 = 5230

numbers are based on the game performance but it's prettty close so i use it as a guide.

for your enquiring mind see this chart -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46135.page#238842

make sure to click on the ' Click here to access the data sheet. '

you'll see the rendering times of GTX 750Ti, GTX950, GTX960, GTX970 and GTX980 with various CPUs

with SSD or HD.



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Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

Thank you pepsiman for your valuable information - I now do have a benchmark as your machine is very similiar.

Quote: yes. i have i7-2720QM(Dell XPS). it's great that your SVRT is working; however, what percentage does the PD has to re-render(red portion)??? if your SVRT is around 90% green then it'll be lickydsplit! if yours is around 30% green then, yup, go outside cut grass or make a coffee or...

FYI the original clips were in .mts format with HD resolution. I am running PD 13 and the movie was highly edited with scene reversals, speed changes, titles etc. so I gather most would have to be re-rendered (btw I can't see any red or green bits?!).

Quote: PD14 will apply GPGPU acceleration(HA).

Are you suggesting PD 13 doesn't even though I can select it? As I got pretty much the same rendering times no matter whether I ticked 'SVRT', 'hardware encoding' or nothing it obviously doesn't ... can I do anything else for the GPU to kick in?

Anyway, if 5:1 is the truth for my rendering times I have to live with it or spend some money (sigh!). I probably should render some plain, short .mts clip to get the best possible time for comparison.

Quote: for your enquiring mind see this chart -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46135.page#238842

I downloaded your screen shots but I could not find the link to download the comparison chart



Apart from upgrading my hardware I wonder if upgrading to PD 15 would improve anything with my hardware configuration?

BTW what programs are you using to monitor your GPU and CPU performane?



cheers drquark PowerDirector 13 Ultimate
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Quote: FYI the original clips were in .mts format
with HD resolution. I am running PD 13 and the movie was highly edited
with scene reversals, speed changes, titles etc. so I gather most would
have to be re-rendered (btw I can't see any red or green bits?!)....cheers drquark

see my reply on this post -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/49617.page#261061

gosvrt.mp4 and nosvrt.mp4

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Quote: PD14 will apply GPGPU acceleration(HA).

Are you suggesting PD 13 doesn't even though I can select it? As I got pretty much the same rendering times no matter whether I ticked 'SVRT', 'hardware encoding' or nothing it obviously doesn't ... can I do anything else for the GPU to kick in...cheers drquark

if you're able to check mark or ticked HA then what i should have said is PD will utilize GPGPU acceleration which

is HA to render your project; however, if it's grayed out then you can not use or PD will not utilize HA.

Quote: Apart from upgrading my hardware I wonder if upgrading to PD 15 would improve anything with my hardware configuration?... drquark

no. if you must then download the upgrade from the Cyberlink website. as you know if not satisfied then

you can return for a full refund in 30 days. make sure that you can reinstall your PD version.

like you have all the installation files and product key.

Quote: ...BTW what programs are you using to monitor your GPU and CPU performane? ... drquark

GPU_Z, CPU_Z and Windows Resource Monitor.

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for your enquiring mind see this chart -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46135.page#238842

I downloaded your screen shots but I could not find the link to download the comparison chart... cheers drquark

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Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

Thanks again for your detailed info - the performance chart is interesting but with my setup I cannot keep up - with H.264 I get HA only up to 1920x1080 16Mb/s - but that's fine as my camera only produces up to this format anyway.

However, I solved one mystery why users get such different rendering times and sometimes no speed advantage with HA! I did my own simple test: Test file was a 2:00min .MTS video composed of a few little clips without any effects applied. I rendered in H.264 AVC 1920x1080 16Mb/s both with and without HA and got 02:02min (no HA) & 01:03min (HA) which shows the GPU was working well. I took screenshots of Windows Resource Monitor (file attached). In the first case the CPU is working 100%, in the second a little less with the GPU halving rendering time!

However, the situation changed entirely when I applied heavy editing, in this case reversing every clip in the video. I then got rendering times of 06:30min (no HA) & 06:22min(HA)! This shows two things: editing can increase rendering times by several 100%! The fact that HA did not have any effect can be explained by looking at the CPU activity - it was intermittent in both cases and I also noticed a high disk activity. So the more effects are applied (especially ones that affect an entire clip) the HDD becomes the limiting factor, so much so that the GPU has literally no effect. It also means that a very fast HDD is equally important as the GPU - the system needs to be well balanced.

Before I spend big time on new hardware and software - does anybody know if PD 15 works well with the latest Nvidia GPUs using the Pascal architecture? PowerDirector 13 Ultimate
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I like how you explained the results to your experiment with HA - very clear - conscise in my opinion. I've not tried to use HA I don't think but then again I've usually had quite heavily edited clips in projects I've rendered in the past.

I wonder what the results would have been if you had used a SSD instead of the HDD? (so I guess I'm wondering if a SSD reads and writes faster that the render times would decrease?)

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the situation changed entirely when I applied heavy editing...

your observation is correct hence 10 min project finished in 50+ minutes.

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does anybody know if PD 15 works well with the latest Nvidia GPUs using the Pascal architecture?

it's not what you'd expect.

PD15 -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15/49546.page

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/49689.page#261412

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/49540.page#260545



PD14 -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/48751.page#258423

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/48751.page#255382

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I wonder what the results would have been if you had used a SSD instead of the HDD? (so I guess I'm wondering if a SSD

reads and writes faster that the render times would decrease?)

CS?

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so much so that the GPU has literally no effect. It also means that a very fast HDD is equally important as the GPU ...

sorry -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/39306.page#202999

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25978.page

do not burn your more expensive SSD! ' SoNic67'


oh happy happy joy joy

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'garbage in garbage out' 'no bridge too far'

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Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

Well, I guess not! I sit corrected!

Thanks for the link and info PepsiMan!

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Quote Well, I guess not! I sit corrected!

Thanks for the link and info PepsiMan!

CS

u r welcome.

glad to help; however, thanks should go to JL_JL for his knowledgeable contributions to our

beta testers forum.



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Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
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Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

The only thing I can say in my defense is that I did say ' I was wondering' so I was only speculating or rather inquiring in a speculatory manner. lol Ah, alot typed for no particular good reason other than to try to explain I was 'wondering' and didn't really claim the SSD would be faster.

Thanks again PepsiMan

CS



p.s. edit addition:

And Jeff definately deserves credit for that analysis and all the technical info he offers. PD13 Ultimate - Build 3516, WIN 8.1, 64 Bit, 16G RAM, Intel Core i5 4460, CPU @ 3.2GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GT720, Graphics Memory(total avail.)-4093MB
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Quote:

Quote: ...

I wonder what the results would have been if you had used a SSD instead of the HDD? (so I guess I'm wondering if a SSD

reads and writes faster that the render times would decrease?)

CS?

Quote: ...

so much so that the GPU has literally no effect. It also means that a very fast HDD is equally important as the GPU ...

sorry -> https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/39306.page#202999

https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25978.page

do not burn your more expensive SSD! ' SoNic67'

I read most the material provided but I think my conclusion from my second test still holds - reversing clips seems really bad as it does not seem to give the CPU or GPU continous work (see the graphs!) so the rendering times are equally longer with or without HA. What other disruption could there be other than I/O related? But no, I won't be burning SSDs

Most of the tests do not specify the exact properties of their test files regarding edting complexity. Maybe we should adopt a 'real live' or 'worst-case' scenario - editing is fun, PD provides so many features and effects, why shouldn't we be creative and apply colour corrections, sound editing, lot's of transitions, speed changes, cropping to name a few? Waiting ages for the finished product is no fun!

On a philosophical note: I am an IT fossil, having learned on IBMs with punch cards, programmed mainframe systems, encoded pre-PC personal computers and ... and ... and ... before ending up as a retired PC power user. I had a passion making Super 8 movies from the age of 13 and quickly adopted video cameras. In the analogue world editing was slow and expensive, using stacks of video recorders and tape formats. In the mid '90s (?) we were told "digital video editing is here!". I went through generations of expensive hardware plug-ins with expensive, proprietry and fault riddled software. Every time we were told "it's really working now" I found that the camera and display technology was outpacing editing technology. For me, HD is more than enough quality and inexpensive regarding hardware, after all most joy I derive from the content of a movie not the resolution.

Conclusion: why shouldn't the average video enthusiast be able to create a movie from filming to the finished product without replacing his computer every two years and spending hours dealing with vendors' support tickets or even certain forums ... now it's out, I just had to get this out of my system, hoping I haven't bored everyone! While I am sitting on my coffin and pondering I join pepsiman in 'happy happy joy joy' - I do enjoy chatting with you guys and thanks for all the help!

BTW, I've heard that next year digital video editing will really work flawlessly .... eehh do the Cyberlink guys read this stuff?

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On a philosophical note: I am an IT fossil, having learned on IBMs with punch cards, programmed mainframe systems, encoded pre-PC personal computers and ... and ... and ... before ending up as a retired PC power user. I had a passion making Super 8 movies from the age of 13 and quickly adopted video cameras. In the analogue world editing was slow and expensive, using stacks of video recorders and tape formats. In the mid '90s (?) we were told "digital video editing is here!". I went through generations of expensive hardware plug-ins with expensive, proprietry and fault riddled software. Every time we were told "it's really working now" I found that the camera and display technology was outpacing editing technology. For me, HD is more than enough quality and inexpensive regarding hardware, after all most joy I derive from the content of a movie not the resolution ...

no, we're not an IT fossils. i, too, started with FORTRAN and got burned out using C++. if you look closely to

my signature, i, too, began with silver based film... Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm.

i am a classic dice, dice, chop and splice kind of guy and i still apply that to PD.

intel has reneged on releasing 10 bit, 12 bit 4.2.2 4K capable kaby lake and scooter cannonball lake i7 cpus till

2017 and beyond.

newer cpus will make the 1080p and 4K editing a lot easier.

our laptops are still capable FHD machines. i think so.


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'garbage in garbage out' 'no bridge too far'

Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
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Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

So I was right with next year??!!

It took my wife and me splice splice splicing (with cement, not tape) our 1:40hr S8 documentary of Australia with sound track, voice-over and animations in a room with clothes lines of film clips 3 (three) months to finish - so we've come a long way ...

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