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Why limiting Produce to Removable Disk-SD/SDHC/SDX...-Memory Stick??? **BUG**
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Thank you for the interesting discussion. Sorry it took me so long to understand the issue. I know that I didn't help at all and perhaps confused things a bit.. I would still think that a piece of software that has the ability to make image files to put on your hard drive or other USB connected drive would be the easiest choice; perhaps not the cheapest. Of copurse, I cannot post a recommendation to that software.

I assume by now you entered a support ticket to determine if if was a design choice or if it was a design flaw. I know that you have another question did you entered a support ticket for that also? Have you gotten a response? Let us know when you do.

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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: I think PD's behaviour is correct against the AVCHD Version 2 spec when selecting the "SD" Or "Memory Stick" options but the "Removable storage device" should allow writing to a (removable) HDD I would have thought. (eg my AVCHD Version 2 camcorder lets me write to either the SD Card Slot or the Internal HDD).


The "Removable storage device" used in this notation is a camera with a "Built-in" storage device but removable from computer (a camera internal storage device, but not a card which is the other devices listed), if the camera is connect to the computer, this will be available for AVCHD 2D and 3D output in PD. To my knowledge AVCHD (originally a camera recorder format) was never adopted to directly support computer USB removable HD's or computer internal HD's. Yes it would be nice, but might not be in CL control.

The recording media for AVCHD 1.0 is 8cm DVD media, SD Memory Card, Memory Stick, Camera Built-in Drive which are the supported devices in the PD menu. My guess is CL is just conforming to current specifications. The AVCHD 2.0 spec added the 3D and other stuff and removed DVD as a permissible media. So just SD/SDHC/SDXC, Memory Stick, Built-in HD(camera) or flash Media. Which again CL appears to just be conforming too.

As mentioned earlier, I too use a flash drive (128GB) which gets me around all the supported media issues. One also runs into a few issues here as PD does not automatically split large video files like a camera does to support the potential FAT32 limits which most SD and SDHC cards are formatted too as well as lots of flash drives. I reformatted my 128GB flash drive to NTFS and all is fine, PD just writes the large 00000.MTS and so on.


Jeff

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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Thanks Jeff!... I think we have pretty well got it all done and dusted that it is not a "Bug" per the OP but a design decision (for good or bad) to stick to the spec (which we all know cyberlink likes to do); this is based on:
- AVCHD spec (I agree with your reading)
- "Removable Storage Device" = Camcorder / Cameras etc (odd description in PD however).

Note: I'm away with work but it will be interesting to see what shows up under "Removable Storage Device" when other devices are plugged in for various modes such as USB Mass Storage, Media Transfer Protocol (MTP), Picture Transfer Protocol(PTP) eg the OP could use his Camcorder, Tablets, Cameras etc to stage the burn not just a USB key.

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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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It seems that PD11 looks for USB Mass Storage devices marked as "removable" under either the Removable Device or the SD Card option (so I see not difference in these menus). It does not see stuff using Media Transfer Protocol (MTP), Picture Transfer Protocol(PTP).

Unfortunately toggling the removable "bit" is not that easy or reliable between devices but when looking at this I found an eaiser workaround.

1) 3DonUSBDrive: Put any USB Drive in the PC. Setup up your project as normal, and select this USB Drive in the Final Output Window. As you will see in my example the Available Space is only 950MB (it is a 1GB USB Drive) and my test project is 2,552MB.

2) 3DonUSBHDD: Now while still on this screen pull out the USB Drive and plug in your USB HDD and click on "Start Burning". In my example I swapped the 1GB Drive for a 300GB HDD and PD happily created the output in the root of this 300GB drive (G:\PRIVATE). Once finished, you can then rename, move this folder etc on the drive.

The only thing you have to do is make sure both the USB Drive and the USB HDD mount in windows with the same Drive Letter (eg G: in my case).

All good
[Thumb - 3DonUSBHDD.jpg]
 Filename
3DonUSBHDD.jpg
[Disk]
 Description
 Filesize
304 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
85 time(s)
[Thumb - 3DonUSBDrive.jpg]
 Filename
3DonUSBDrive.jpg
[Disk]
 Description
 Filesize
284 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
100 time(s)

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PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
VE2FET [Avatar]
Member Joined: Dec 05, 2012 21:43 Messages: 60 Offline
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Very good : I'll give it a try a bit later within next day or so but that should do it... Also I was thinking of the old DOS "ASSIGN" command but it's no longer "of these days" ;
Tnx agn!
Sylvain
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This is not a bug, it is AVCHD 2.0 spec
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specification_addendum_.28AVCHD_2.0.29

Media:
SD/SDHC/SDXC Memory Card
"Memory Stick"
Built-in hard-disk or flash Media

8 cm optical media (DVD) is NOT included

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