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Why limiting Produce to Removable Disk-SD/SDHC/SDX...-Memory Stick??? **BUG**
VE2FET [Avatar]
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I've just put up a picture in the message before yours.

Maybe generating AVCHD 2.0 files and directory structure is something you never did here's why you don't get it, but PD does it, it just does not allow us to select where exactly, those are just files and directories... I see you are trying but PD does not allow for this, it allows to create those AVCHD/BDMV/... structure on a memory stick since we can plug those sticks into any AVCHD 2.0 compliant device (ie. TV, Blue Ray readers with USB ports, etc) and play the created projet). But WE also need to be able to generate anywhere we want since we can access those AVCHD 2.0 directory structure from anywhere, network, USB HDD drive... so again, why limiting us as of "where" to have the generated output directories and files go??

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Sylvain

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VE2FET [Avatar]
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Quote:
Quote: It does nit allow me to select the drive I want, read my first message. Why limiting the choices to what Windows thinks to be "removal" drives and not let the user decide by themself?

S.


Yes it does; you can select the location for the folder set (see image). I asked if you knew what that was. You have not answered that question. . I think that you can't have everything you want if you don't take the time to learn the program.

You end up with a folder set of audio_TS and video-TS. The audio folder is empty, the video folder has everything that in in the video (including the audio and mrenu). If you open the video-ts file and select the first VOB file, they will all play. I just tried in with VLC. I'm sure other programs will work also.

As I said above, this program will not make an IMAGE file (ISO). That is not a bug; it is the way it is designed. I have other programs that will make the ISO fiel.

We are going around and around with this - you are playing the yes-but game. Why don't you tell use exactly why you want the video on a thumb drive. Perhaps if we know that we can be of more help. I am giving up on this thread. I must be missing something and I can't determine what. I have given you options but they don;t seem to be exactly what you want regardless of standards. Perhaps others can see your dilemma and offer solutions.



What you are showing me will limit the size of the projet to those DVD disk, I don't create any DVD disk and why limiting the size when I have whole drives space available to generate them too and then plug to any AVCHD 2.0 reader...
S.

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stevek
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Unchek the burn to disc and just burn the folder se. No limit on size but you have to have a way of playing it.

I'm done. .
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VE2FET [Avatar]
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Alright, I'll try it now going over the displayed size limit of DVD-8.5GB. Just perfect if it does it.
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VE2FET [Avatar]
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Quote: Unchek the burn to disc and just burn the folder se. No limit on size but you have to have a way of playing it.

I'm done.


Nope, something you've missed is that when you select a DVD output Under AVCHD 3D Disc creation, the "3D output format" no longer offer "AVCHD 3D" format... Selecting "Removable Disk-SD/SDHC/SDX...-Memory Stick" brings it back, but my USB removable HDD won't show up! Still wondering why is PowerDirector guys not letting the user decide what he wants to do (and where).

Back to square one. The only other way around is to create to a SDHC memory card and then copy the structure but this limits me to a production of the size of currently available SDHC/Stick memory size, not my HDD size...
This should get fixed imho.
S.
Carl312
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Quote: Ok, tell me, how can I create/produce an AVCHD 2.0 output directory structure with menus and videos on any drives I want?
Tnx

You can do that in Powerdirector's Create Disk module. Select Disk Preferences > AVCHD.

Burn in 2D > uncheck burn disk, check Burn disk Folder.

Tutorial:



Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

stevek
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Carl, that is what I told him above. He didn't like it for some reason - something about not enough space. I really don't think he reads the replies thoroughly enough. I have given up.

I think he likes to play the "yes, but" game and loves to post "Bug Report" for anything that he can't figure out or that goes against the internal standards. Have fun ! .
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Carl312
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Quote: Carl, that is what I told him above. He didn't like it for some reason - something about not enough space. I really don't think he reads the replies thoroughly enough. I have given up.

I think he likes to play the "yes, but" game and loves to post "Bug Report" for anything that he can't figure out or that goes against the internal standards. Have fun !

The not enough space is possible if he chooses a location that does not have enough space.

Whatever location you chose must have at least 10 GB of free space, that is the amount of space Powerdirector must have to create a DVD/AVCHD disk folder.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

stevek
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He keeps saying that his removeable hard drive doesn't even show up. Whatever that means? Maybe it is not plugged in. .
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jmone
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Gents, I can explain (I think) his issue. He wants to burn an AVCHD Version 2.0 3D to a USB Attached HDD and he is correct in saying there is no option for this. Have a look at the pic and they key options are:
- 3D Disc
- 3D Output Format is "AVCHD 3D" and the Quality is "HD 1920x1080/60i (28Mbps).

Unfortunately when selecting "Removable Disk" only USB Thumbdrives appear in the Final Output screen and there is no way to "create a folder" as these options are greyed out and pre selected. I too would have through that "Removable Disk" would have included USB HDD not just USB Thumbdrives.

I do think the registry hack would solved his problem enabling 3D-BD burning at 1920x1080/60i however.
[Thumb - 3dnousb.jpg]
 Filename
3dnousb.jpg
[Disk]
 Description
 Filesize
175 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
92 time(s)

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Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Unfortunately when selecting "Removable Disk" only USB Thumbdrives appear in the Final Output screen and there is no way to "create a folder" as these options are greyed out and pre selected. I too would have through that "Removable Disk" would have included USB HDD not just USB Thumbdrives.

If that is the case, why not create the folder to a 8 or 16 GB USB Thumbdrive?

Once the folder is created on the Thumbdrive, nothing would prevent you from copying the thumbDrive data to a USB Hard drive.
I am sure the computer can see both.

Or you can create the folder on your internal hard drive then copy to the external USB hard Drive.

There is more that one way to get the job done.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Hi Carl, that work around had already been suggested but to quote him:

The only other way around is to create to a SDHC memory card and then copy the structure but this limits me to a production of the size of currently available SDHC/Stick memory size, not my HDD size


Edit: I would have thought this is the easiest workaround as you can buy very large memory sticks these days but it will cost him some additional $

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PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Quote: Or you can create the folder on your internal hard drive then copy to the external USB hard Drive.


Unfortunately there is no option to do this (with the combination of specs he wants for 3D AVCHD), PD will only let you write it out to a Memory Card / USB Stick (eg you can not write it out to either a Internal or External HDD folder, Burn a Disk) Even with the Memory Card / USB Stick you don't have the option to change or name the directly, it is all greyed out and just gets built in the Root.

I think PD's behaviour is correct against the AVCHD Version 2 spec when selecting the "SD" Or "Memory Stick" options but the "Removable storage device" should allow writing to a (removable) HDD I would have thought. (eg my AVCHD Version 2 camcorder lets me write to either the SD Card Slot or the Internal HDD).

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PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
stevek
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jamone, Thanks for clarifying what the original poster (OP) was complaining about. I do see the issue now. It is still not a bug; I think it is a design choice.

What if the original poster had selected to burn to a blu ray file or folder using the AVCHD codec. Would that be an alternative? Chances are that the video files would need to be encoded anyway.

I sure do wish that the program would allow you to burn IMAGE files that could then be copied to a hard drive.

I wonder how the OP want to play the output from this discussion. I know that DVD and TVs can play a video file but I don't know if they can play a pseu-DVD. I'm not sure how the DVD player/TV would handle the navigation on the pseu- disc. Perhaps the OP can come back and let us know how he intends to play the output. .
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In fact they are not a disc image but just a set of files within a specific folder structure.

Yes, for a while now, HD TV and Blu Ray readers do have a USB port where you just connect an external memory source. Many are compatible with AVCHD 2.0 directory files structure, which is required for proper 3D displaying else it goes in 2D.

Allowing generation to any drives does allow to move files around (whole directory structure) and plug unplug to the reader.
Thanks.
VE2FET [Avatar]
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Quote: Hi Carl, that work around had already been suggested but to quote him:

The only other way around is to create to a SDHC memory card and then copy the structure but this limits me to a production of the size of currently available SDHC/Stick memory size, not my HDD size


Edit: I would have thought this is the easiest workaround as you can buy very large memory sticks these days but it will cost him some additional $


That limits me to a certain production size again... I just don't get it why just not letting the user decide where to generate the files structure. Anyway...

BTW I'll try your new registry fix for 60i BD 3D generation. But this would not be required if I can just produce and manage all my 3D productions (and 2D) on the same huge HDD removable drive...
Thanks again
stevek
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Just a last question -

How do you play to play the encoded files? You have never told us that. I don't really know of any device that will play a folder set. The option for a removeable drive will create some kind of file (I have not tried it.) I do know of some that will play an image file. .
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VE2FET [Avatar]
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Look at a bluray disk files structure (use Windows Explorer). BD Movie players expect a certain "arrangement" of the files, etc... AVCHD 2.0 expects also a certain arrangement of files... the "DISK" itself is only a medium.

For example, here's a few messages talking about a Sony BluRay reader (with USB port) but this applies to all that support AVCHD 2.0 via the USB connector.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1392746/sony-bdp-s580-3d-from-usb

S.
stevek
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I just reasd that article and there is a lot of confusion regarding an ISO file, an AVCHD file, a BD files, etc. There is also a mention of other software. I do have other software that will make an image file wich w=can be played from a hrd drive. Apparently this program is not designed to do that.

If you are working with commercial videos, why not just download the digital copy or the Ultraviolet version?

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The end? Message from VE2FET? That's me. As for the previous one, the AVCHD folder must be in the root, else it won't work.
So the manual renaming of the movie/production you want to see to have it's root as AVCHD with the BDMV under it. A software interface for this would be nice, but none. Does not work from media servers neither, still talking about 3D...

S.
stevek
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Thank you for the interesting discussion. Sorry it took me so long to understand the issue. I know that I didn't help at all and perhaps confused things a bit.. I would still think that a piece of software that has the ability to make image files to put on your hard drive or other USB connected drive would be the easiest choice; perhaps not the cheapest. Of copurse, I cannot post a recommendation to that software.

I assume by now you entered a support ticket to determine if if was a design choice or if it was a design flaw. I know that you have another question did you entered a support ticket for that also? Have you gotten a response? Let us know when you do.

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