Geoff,

1. You placed this topic onto the wrong forum (PDVD), should have been here.
2. SVRT, there is currently an ongoing discussion on this issue. Many have found the solution by:
Open PD
Go to: Director's chair icon > Edit > Preferences (Key shortcut Alt+C)
Produce tab > Check "Allow SVRT on Single IDR H264 video"
Click OK

Try it.

Dafydd
[Moderator]

Sorry - this was first post so thanks for sorting me out- Hope this reply is done correctly!

I have tried the "Allow SVRT on Single IDR H264 video" swich but this makes no difference.

I am on release 2508 by the way - just purchased PD8 this weekend.

In most other editors it is important to set the Project properties correctly at the start so they match the video properties before you begin. Unless I have missed something PD8 doesn't work this way.

The Panny SD9 produces High Profile L4.0 files at approx 17Mbps using the highest available quality setting and 5.1 sound. I have been matching all the critical Output settings when creating a file in PD hoping that some trick will persuade SVRT to kick in.

Files I have rendered in PD do make use of SVRT when re-edited.

Any suggestions as to what else I can try will be gratefully received.

Geoff

Pansonic SD9.
WIN7 32bit 4GB RAM
PD8, Vegas 9

Hi Geoff,

It does seem that, from what you say, your camera is not compatible with the SVRT on PD8.

I have two Sony cameras, one is compatible and one isn't!

I blame the companies, software makers like CL don't stand a chance!

All the best,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Geoff,
I think the answer here is for you to supply a sample clip of your video for CyberLink to then make sure your footage can be SVRT in PD8.

Please see below and then PM me when you've listed your camera and data. I'll send you upload ftp links.

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Have you seen this, please add your spec?
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/8445.page
Please add your camera spec here:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/8727.page
Thanks
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Dafydd
[Moderator]

Thank you Geoff for the information you uploaded including the sample file for your camera - all needed data.
R&D replicated the issue and the matter is currently being investigated. As per Andrew's comment - the matter will be resolved. For the moment you'll have to continue with the workaround.

Best I can do at this time.

Dafydd
[Moderator]

Andrew,
Let me have a sample video from that new camera you've just got and I'll get R&D at CyberLink to test.

You know where:
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Have you seen this, please add your spec?
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/8445.page
Please add your camera spec here:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/8727.page
Thanks
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Dafydd

Dafydd

Thanks again for your help.

At least PD8 is capable of rendering a good quality AVCHD file from my video, including transitions and effects.

Would you believe Sony Vegas Pro9 didn't manage that as it produces a glitch after each transition - there are many posts about Vegas and the other Prosumer NLE which struggle with this format.

Still without these problems Video production would be boring!

Geoff Pansonic SD9.
WIN7 32bit 4GB RAM
PD8, Vegas 9

Dafydd,

I have another Panasonic camcorder (HDC TM350) and cannot get SVRT to work. I have build 2508 and have also tried enabling the "Allow SVRT on single IDR H.264 video" option with no luck.

I'd like to send you a clip for your testing--please send me the instructions.

I have uploaded my system and camera information to the appropriate folders on this forum.

thanks,
- Paul M

Hi Paul,
Let me know when you've uploaded the sample and i'll get R&D at CyberLink to examine it - I'll try it out as well.... I'll "encourage" Andrew to have a look as well.

Dafydd

Hi,

I have been browsing the forum for some time and used Power Director successfully for editing SD. My problems are related to editing and maintaining original quality in AVCHD format. I appreciate the problems faced by Video Editing companies as the AVCHD files produced by my panasonic SD9 & HDC TM300, purchased one year appart require different panasonic HD Writer software for editing! So panasonic AVCHD files are not all the same!
SVRT doesn't appear to work with my raw HDC TM300 files. However, if I run a number of clips through the Panasonic HD Writer software supplied with the camera and insert a single title on the first clip before saving to AVCHD format this clip does work with SVRT3 in PD8. HDWriter only re-encodes the title section and zips through others (21 in my test). Can't explain why PD8 recognises this clip but not the raw ones. If I produce an AVCHD on DVD in PD8 there is no loss of quality and SVRT3 works, however, if I add a simple transition in PD8 this produces a pause and speedup following the transition. Once the next clip starts everything is fine, however, the transition problem makes PD8 unusable for me at present. If I disable SVRT the output quality is not great. I'll keep checking out any future patches - I'm sure it will eventually work!

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Hi Stuart,

if I add a simple transition in PD8 this produces a pause and speedup following the transition

Do you have the latest build 2508?

If you have, my advice is just don't use transitions. I'm sorry, that's not a solution but at least your work will be watchable.

Canon cameras have only now just started to be able to use SVRT - I can imagine how frustrated you are.

Cyberlink are constantly playing catchup and I know first hand how they try to sort issues out. Unfortunately, it's not a quick process.

As an example, Sony are about to release their first 24mbps AVCHD range of camcorders. It's highly likely SVRT will not work for a while with these, until R&D get some sample files to play with.

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Andrew,

Thanks for your reply. I do have the latest build which has given me some success with SVRT provided I don't use any transitions. Hopefully a future build will sort the problem - I would have thought that panasonic would be one of the main stream supported brands, but it doesn't help when they keep changing their AVCHD format! Most posts seem to refer to canon and sony, but I hope Cyberlink are also working on a fix for panasonic.

Wouldn't want to go back to tape and love my AVCHD format, though early adopters always pay a heavy price. I'm sure it will eventually be fine, but hope it will be a matter of months not years!

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Hi Stuart,

While I'm a Sony/Canon user myself, and don't have any working knowledge of Panasonics, it sounds like you have found an excellent workaround here:

SVRT doesn't appear to work with my raw HDC TM300 files. However, if I run a number of clips through the Panasonic HD Writer software supplied with the camera and insert a single title on the first clip before saving to AVCHD format this clip does work with SVRT3 in PD8. HDWriter only re-encodes the title section and zips through others (21 in my test).

Does this allow SVRT to work with the SD9 too?

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Andrew,

The work around doesn't work with the HDWriter software supplied with the SD9 camera as it has no title or transition options, only cut edits. Unfortunately the updated HDWriter software supplied with my HDC TM300 does not recognise SD9 files!! The updated software does have a few simple title & transition options - rather limited but does produce perfect output to AVCHD on DVD.

I have made some further tests and progress!

My usual aim is to produce a maximum of around 35 min "Original" quality output using AVCHD on DVD. My workflow would usually involve creating the content for each chapter separately and then saving each Chapter file to disk using Produce with SVRT and DD 5.1 enabled. Typically I would only have 3 to 12 chapters. I then create a new "Compile" project where I use the previously produced chapter files to setup my chapters, menu structure and then burn to DVD-RW for testing.

My latest test involved 5 raw clips, total duration 2min 38secs imported into pana HDWriter software. Added a title to the first clip (7 secs to render this) then saved the file in AVCHD format (only 16 secs to complete this, so no re-rendering taking place). This saved clip is compatible with SVRT in PD8 - solid yellow row, however, any of the original raw clips are solid red!

On adding a title and transition via PD8 and saving via Produce > H.264AVC, Default, AVCHD 1920x1080, PAL the file took only 48secs to save (SVRT and DD5.1 checked - 1 title + 1 transition to render). Output quality from this file seemed perfect!!!! I then added this file as a new chapter to my previously created project and burned another AVCHD DVD. The new chapter plays perfectly, but the original first chapter which I retained still has a pause & stutter problem after an inserted title (not transition as stated in my first post). I will do some further testing to investigate whether using the prior produce step fixes all problems, or to see if I can find another explanation.

It would be great if PD8 eventually recognises my raw panasonic files!

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Testing a panasonic hdc-hs250, could not get SRVT to work on that raw AVCHD either. The other camer I am testing is a canon hf-20, and it works perfectly.
For now I am buring back to DVD quality and both give really good looking dvds.
If PD worked on the pani that would be the one I keep. But I have had so many editing issues (PD even seems to crash with pani files loaded while I am not even doing anything in the software) with my old panasonic (mini dvd) I just dont want to put with with it.
Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Futher tests,

Created three separate chapters with quite a few varied transitions and titles, plus one ten minute slide show (love these) and produced each separately using SVRT.

Used a "compile" project to setup menus - total project 4538MB (32 mins). Create Disk to DVD-R took only 7mins 30secs. DVD-RW took 13mins 16secs - quite amazing.

The good news is that the created DVD's play back perfectly in Power DVD on my PC. I am getting a few gliches in playback on my panasonic DMP-BD30 bluray player - will check my firmware - also try disk in a PS3.

Mtrapp, does your HDC-HS250 come with HDWriter AE software - if so you could try my procedure of adding a single title to the first clip - see my earlier posts - this works for me and SVRT then works. AVCHD is the best the camera can produce and I am not generally happy downgrading to DVD quality, except when supplying disks to family members who only have a DVD.

Let's hope Cyberlink can eventually provide support for raw pana files!

Regards

Stuart
Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

HI
I do have HDWriter AE software with the camera but I have not tried yet.
Panasonic told me it wont run on Windows 7 64 bit which is what I have.

I can render a avchd file almost in real time on my PC (i7 920 overclocked to 3.8ghs) so SRVT would be nice but if the rendered avchd file looks good (got a media player and checking it out today) I can live with it.

I'll give HDwriter a try, but my experience with my Panasonsic mini dvd camera is the software did degrade the video quality, but maybe thats becuase it was a different format. Make me reluctant to try their software again since I spent literally 100s of hours messing around with differnt ways to get a good looking dvd out the edited footage.

The canon HF 20 works out of the box with PD8, but the video quality from the Panasonic is much better, so I would like to get a editing work flow to work for it if I can. Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

I am also using Windows 7, 64bit on a core i7 system.

Panasonic have released a Windows 7 patch and a separate software update for HD Writer AE1.0. You can download both from panasonic. The software only renders any titles or transitions you insert - the output quality is perfect and you can produce menus using AVCHD on DVD. I have not been happy with quality of re-rendered AVCHD output in PD8, which is why the use of SVRT is so appealing. My latest tests with PD8 using SVRT are very encouraging, playing back perfectly on my PC using Power DVD. I am still getting a small number of glitches playing the same DVD on my panasonic BD30 bluray player, despite applying the latest firmware. I have still to try the DVD on a PS3 or other bluray player.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Stuart:
Spent all day testing PD8 on the Canon HF20 and the panisonic.
I used a media player and SD card to view the rendered avchd file.
I found the avchd re-rendered from the panasonic to be far better than than the avchd file rendered using SVRT on the canon files.

I am curious what you found that was not good?

Thanks for the update tip, gotit all working.
How did you get around the pause speed up after adding a transition? Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20