Stuart:
Spent all day testing PD8 on the Canon HF20 and the panisonic.
I used a media player and SD card to view the rendered avchd file.
I found the avchd re-rendered from the panasonic to be far better than than the avchd file rendered using SVRT on the canon files.

I am curious what you found that was not good?

Thanks for the update tip, gotit all working.
How did you get around the pause speed up after adding a transition? Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Stuart:
Did some testing.
I can get SVRT to work with the Panasonic files , but if I insert a transition and then "produce"
the PD re-renders from that point on.

Did you see the same?
Is there a way around this.
This also seemed to be the case when I tested the Canon files.

Also using SVRT preview seems to make PD unstable.
Do you see the same?

Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Mtrapp,

Click on the directors chair at the top left of the screen and then goto Edit->Preferences->Produce and make sure the box next to 'Allow SVRT' is ticked, then re-run your tests.

This has been proven to make SVRT work for Sony and Canon AVCHD cameras.

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Mtrapp,

If I render using PD8 without SVRT I just find that the created files are not quite as good as the originals. Using SVRT and produce file with PD8 does produce excellent results - only transitions or titles are rendered - the rest of my timeline is all yellow - I do tick SVRT and DD 5.1 when producing. HDWriter also produces files with no loss of quality. As mentioned in an earlier post I got lots of problems with titles / transitions if I go straight to created disk - the process of prior creation of chapter files using produce - file certainly seems to help me.

SVRT is still not working perfectly, as my DVD's do exhibit breakup with sound and picture when played back on my panasonic BD30 bluray player, which is what I want to use! Can't understand how the same DVD plays back perfectly on my PC using Power DVD. If I can't resolve these problems will need to wait for the next PD8 patch!

Did you need to enter a title and then save to AVCHD in HDWriter to get your clips enabled for SVRT in PD8? How do the results from PD8 compare to the quality you can get from HDWriter?

Hope to check my DVD in a PS3 in a few hours - will also check SVRT Preview and get back to you. I switch to a dedicated Video Boot drive via a Pluscom removable caddy which I find a great system for keeping my video editing disk quite lean. Also easy to setup, reformatted test boot disks and do a fresh install of Windows at any time, as hard drives are relatively cheap.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Stuart,

Have you enabled that SVRT option in preferences that I mentioned above?

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Andrew,

I do have the SVRT option in preferences enabled - not using any GPU options under the Editing Tab.

I have now tested my DVD's in a PS3 and they play back without ANY glitches, slowdown's or audio problems!!!

Unfortunately my pana BD30 bluray still has glitches even with the latest firmware (not all titles / transitions seem affected but even one tends to ruin playback quality perceptions!) - My BD30 generally plays most disks without issue - don't have a BD35 or other bluray player to do further testing. Takes me back to the early days of CD and DVD burners which were slow, unreliable and very media sensitive! I generally use Verbatim media, which has a good reputation.

Don't seem to be getting any of Mtrapp's "- using SVRT preview seems to make PD unstable" issues. PD8 is very stable on my build but can't see any SVRT separate preview option, just have SVRT enabled in the preferences produce tab.
Adobe, Pinnacle, Corel etc all have their own issues with AVCHD editing. At least Cyberlink do try to fix problems with frequent patches, and in my case they are certainly making significant progress.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Stuart,

I know exactly what you are going through!

Before build 2508 was released, all my SVRT work played back choppy on my Sony blu-ray player. It was only when I provided R&D with raw sample files and the actual folders placed on the discs that they actually sorted it.

Smart rendering like SVRT is a fairly new development, and is not something that CL can get right straight away, with every manufacturer's cameras producing slightly different versions of AVCHD.

This is something that will be sorted but it will take time, and it will require some of your camera files to he sent to R&D to do it.

If it's any help, Canon users are only now being able to
use SVRT!

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Andrew,

Many thanks - I will try and ftp some of my panasonic HDC-TM300 files. Not sure how to do this but have emailed Dafydd for assistance - maybe I need an address and password!

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Hi Stuart,

Just a thought - somewhere in the back of my mind I think someone mentioned AVCHD DVD compatibility issues with Panasonic blu-ray players. Might be worth taking your disc to an electrical retailer and try it in players of a different make.

Dafydd will sort your FTP uploads out and then R&D have something to work with.

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Hi Stuart,
Thanks for the PM. I need you to add your camera here first:
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Have you seen this, please add your spec?
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/8445.page
Please add your camera spec here:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/8727.page
Thanks
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Then let me know you've added the details - I realise it might appear long winded but you'll see loads of cameras listed and ... well it's the way it is

Dafydd
[Moderator]

Stuart/Andrew

Went Edit->Preferences->Produce and checked 'Allow SVRT even though the warning says not to do it. SRVT did seem to work now.

The instability seems to be when going from say the transition roon to produce. PD hangs. Going back to the main editing window first
seems to get around the crash.
Could be lots of things.

When viewing the re-rendered avchd file from a media player (not a BD disk) the degredation in quality is pretty small when I compare it to the original raw avcdh file. This is really easy to do with a media player connected right to the TV.
Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Hi
I found a program (actually 2) in the web.
tsMuxer and tsRemuxer. I tested tsMuxer and it takes in the panasonic *.m2ts and can spit out a *.m2ts file that svrt works with. So that way you dont need to add in a title, much cleaner.

I think tsRemuxer does that same but could not find a download site for it.
Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Mtrapp,

Interesting! Do the tsMuxer clips retain original quality, especially after adding any transitions or titles in PD8?

My workflow at the moment is to create separate chapters using HDWriter with a title at the start and any required transitions (mostly use straight cuts!). I then use PD8 to generate my project with menus (usually add a PD8 created slide show as one chapter). Keep everything to H264, HD 1920x1080, DD5.1 so that SVRT is used with no rendering or loss of quality. A typical project is about 30mins so I can burn an AVCHD to a DVD disk.

Have also tried a bit of bluray disk burning where I can fit a number of previously created different projects (videos) on one disk. The menu structure facilities in PD8 are great for this. Still stick to H264 to avoid rendering, can't see how I can improve on the best (raw output) the camera can produce by using higher MPEG bitrates!

When I previously attempted to add transitions and or titles using PD8 I got gliches on playback using a panasonic or sony bluray player so I am avoiding this at the moment! Do you think that tsMuxer would resolve these problems - if so certainly worth a try!

Thanks for the info.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Stuart:
I need to double check my work. The avchd file I ran through tsMuxer was likely from HD writer, I found out just after posting to the forum. I am going to try again with raw panasonic avchd and see what happens. I also found another tool, Elecard Converter studio which can convert avchd files to mpeg2 with 0 loss of quality. Does not help with PD I dont think, but it does with avchd and Adobe CS3. This tool is very high quality but costs $75, not too bad.

Also just FYI I am not buring Blue Ray, for my home stuff I am using a media player and portable hard drive, makes things alot easier and can save another rendering. For sending to friends, standard dvd which looks pretty good compared to my past setup.

Once I re-try tsmuxer I will post what I find.
Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Stuart:
My suspicion was correct, tsmuxer doesnt work. I used the files out of HD writer. Just For Fun
i7 Core@3.8ghz 6gig mem 3 HDD geForce8400
Canon HF S20

Mtrapp,

Thanks for the update. Guess we will have to hope for a patch from Cyberlink in a future release!

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Hi Stuart, I have a Panasonic HS9 and PD8. I am puzzled by your position on the AVCHD output from the camera. It seems to me that Panasonic are producing valid AVCHD (.mts) files by reqiuring us to process the output from the Camera via HDwriter. It maybe that they have decided to process the files IN the camera a different way, is it reasonable to expect the digital output/file storage on the camera to be "standard"?
Once I have processed the files via HDWITER I have no problem processing them with PD8. The fact that PD8 cannot acapture directly from the camera is in my view interesting but not a show stopper. After all Panasonic and Sony are the "owners" of AVCHD H264 I think?

Regards,

Don Gigabyte I7/4940 O/C 4.3, Noctua Cooler 10GB DDR3, 4 x 1TB, 1TB SSD, Geoforce GTX660 TI 8500W PSU, Windows 10 Pro 64bit.

Donald,

My understanding is that PD8 can now handle raw Canon files directly from the camera. I would have thought that Panasonic would opt for a "standard" camera AVCHD format, as there are lots of different video editing software available and direct input, managed by some other packages, would be the best option.

I really stumbled on the fact that adding a title to the first clip and pre-processing through HDWriter seems to produce compliant files for PD8. If I don't insert a title and simply pass the clips through HDWriter the resulting files don't work with PD8 using SVRT! Did I overlook something in the panasonic documentation which states a need to use HDWriter on all camera files before using a more soficticated package?

I don't have a problem using HDWriter to create files which PD8 recognises, so it is not a show stopper. My remaining issue is that if I add any titles or transitions within PD8, I am getting some breakup in video or audio at some points during playback on my panasonic and Sony bluray players. Away from PD8 edits everything seems fine and SVRT does appear to be working and not all transition/title edits are affected, but even one blip is enough to make it a no go area for me at the moment.

As indicated in an earlier post l am currently using HDWriter to create my individual chapters and then use PD8 to create my menus and burn to disk, this way I am producing perfect results very quickly, but can't take advantage of any editing within PD8.

Thanks for your input.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Hi Stuart,
I only use HDwriter to convert my files into MTS format, I don't use any of the other facilities as I (maybe mistakenly) thought it a bit crude as an Editing package. I have also used Sony Vegas Pro as well as PD8 and the output from HDwriter works fine there as well.
I don't have a BLue Ray device so all my output ends up being transferred to my HTPC (a Zotac based system). I had enormous problems with PD8 in the early days and actually abandoned it but the interface on it is so user friendlly I came back. I have used 2508 but have now gone back to 2220C with the headers indicating it can handle >2Gb of memory.

I note we have similar sytem setups so we should get similar results. I am relatively new to Video editing so I have limited experience at picking up shortfalls in the final produced item.

PD8 is fine for me if I give it the output from HDwriter (you must also be using the patched version of 2.5E to work ok on Win 7?)

Having said all of the above - I havejust upgraded to the 10.2 ATI drivers and PD8 is now crashing! Grrrrr I shall reinstall the beast again!

Best REgards,

Don Gigabyte I7/4940 O/C 4.3, Noctua Cooler 10GB DDR3, 4 x 1TB, 1TB SSD, Geoforce GTX660 TI 8500W PSU, Windows 10 Pro 64bit.

Donald,

Yes I do have the Windows 7 fix and update patch installed in my copy of HDWriter. I tend to record to SDHC card then remove it from my camera and use HDWriter to copy the m2ts files from the card to my hard disk. The raw m2ts files are present on a subdirectory of the card after any recording, but if you drag and drop them to your hard drive they are not recognised by HDWriter, so I always use it for this step.

Unfortunately these files, although they work in PD8 are not recognised as being SVRT compliant. SVRT is a great feature and avoids any re-rendering of clips if they are recognised so you maintain 100% quality! My workaround of adding a title to the first clip within HDWriter (adding any required additional clips to the timeline) and then saving in AVCHD format, as a new file to my hard disk does produce files which work with SVRT and PD8. Unfortunately for me any edits within PD8 can cause some problems when playing back on my bluray players. No problems with Power DVD, so if I was playing the files from hard disk on my PC I wouldn't have a problem.

Thanks for the tip off regarding 10.2 ATI drivers. They certainly have regular driver updates! I think I will stick with 9.2 for the moment.

I hope the above clarifies my use of HDWriter - you can get reasonable titles within HDWriter if you choose an appropriate font and different colours for text and shadow - not as flexible as PD8 but good final results. Like many other contibutors I am trying to minimise my use of transitions (Professional, TV, videos etc seem to use straight cuts as the norm) this avoids any loss of quality when these effects are rendered.

I think over the years I have probably purchased and used the majority of different video editing software packages. Most had no problems with tape footage but AVCHD is proving to be quite difficult for them all. I find the balance of features and ease of use of Power Director suit my current needs and I appreciate that this is not the place to discuss alternative packages.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for the response - most informative - and gives me some topics to experiment on.

Don Gigabyte I7/4940 O/C 4.3, Noctua Cooler 10GB DDR3, 4 x 1TB, 1TB SSD, Geoforce GTX660 TI 8500W PSU, Windows 10 Pro 64bit.