PowerDVD and SGX

Digital Jockey

Newbie Joined: Apr 26, 2021 11:58 Messages: 1 Offline

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Apr 26, 2021 12:03

Hello all,

I currently have an Intel NUC i7 7th generation as a HTPC and I'm thinking about upgrading it.

One of the things I use my HTPC is to play 4K Blu-ray discs and it works really well on PowerDVD 17.

The problem is that the new NUCs are not so great and I'm thinking about replacing it for a much more capable AMD or at least an Intel mini pc with an NVIDIA card. NUCs tend to overheat too much for my taste.

And as you all know, I can't do that because I'm stuck with Intel Graphics due SGX and other security ******** that only makes things hard to those who want to so stuff legally because we all know these discs can be ripped in minutes.

Anyway, I was about to throw the towel until I read somewhere that Cyberlink dropped SGX support a while ago and now you can play a UHD disc on any PC that has HDMI 2.0a or DP 1.4 and HDCP 2.2 and that include Intel PCs running NVIDIA cards or AMD.

Can anyone confirm if that's the case since it's not an official thing?

I know you can use MakeMKV to get around all this crap, but it's way too buggy for a HTPC.

Thank you

Offler

Newbie Joined: Apr 02, 2021 11:27 Messages: 7 Offline

Apr 26, 2021 15:13

Quote Hello all,

Anyway, I was about to throw the towel until I read somewhere that Cyberlink dropped SGX support a while ago and now you can play a UHD disc on any PC that has HDMI 2.0a or DP 1.4 and HDCP 2.2 and that include Intel PCs running NVIDIA cards or AMD.

I dont know (yet) about PowerDVD requirement, but newest Intel CPUs dont support SGX anymore.

Edit: Also some reading:
http://blu-raydisc.com/en/Technical/TechnicalWhitePapers/General.aspx

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Jets2011

Senior Contributor Location: Canada Joined: Sep 29, 2006 05:26 Messages: 760 Offline

Apr 26, 2021 21:16

Quote Hello all,

IAnyway, I was about to throw the towel until I read somewhere that Cyberlink dropped SGX support a while ago and now you can play a UHD disc on any PC that has HDMI 2.0a or DP 1.4 and HDCP 2.2 and that include Intel PCs running NVIDIA cards or AMD.

Where did you read that? SGX appears to still be required if you look at the latest system requirements.

https://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdvd-ultra/spec_en_US.html

New Intel chips not supporting SGX is intriguing though. Obviously something will have to change.

Dave

Saltgrass

Newbie Joined: May 31, 2011 21:49 Messages: 5 Offline

Sep 17, 2021 11:11

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And as you all know, I can't do that because I'm stuck with Intel Graphics due SGX and other security ******** that only makes things hard to those who want to so stuff legally because we all know these discs can be ripped in minutes.

If it makes any difference but I just got PowerDVD 21 and installed it on a 7th Gen processor system. It appears to have all the things necessary but I keep getting the message about SGX and the Intel Management engine. So, SGX is still operational, at least on that system.

I checked the Bios on my 10th Gen motherboard system and the SGX options are still in that Bios.. I see they are already referring to the 12th Gen processors so maybe they will change but I am just getting into this and have fairly limited knowledge.

Edit: I just checked my Z590 11th Gen system and I do not see the setting. I could be overlooking it..

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CybrSage

Newbie Joined: Jan 24, 2016 16:53 Messages: 27 Offline

Oct 18, 2021 17:03

If CyberLink does not remove the requirement from PDVD, they will quickly find no one bothers to buy it anymore. TVs are all 4k, movies are sold in UHD for almost exactly the same price as the 1080 versions, and UDH drives are quite cheap.

CyberLink, will you petition to remove the requirement for SGX since no chip maker supports it any longer?

Jets2011

Senior Contributor Location: Canada Joined: Sep 29, 2006 05:26 Messages: 760 Offline

Oct 18, 2021 21:21

It's amazing that you think CyberLink is the gatekeepr on this. SGX support is being phased out, but some sort of hardware DRM encryption is still required by the Blu-ray Disc Association to play 4K blurays. So you are barking up the wrong tree, to use an old phrase.

You can see their announcement on it for more information.

https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/85973.page

Unfortunately you should think about a stand-alone player for 4K BD playback it looks like.

Dave

CybrSage

Newbie Joined: Jan 24, 2016 16:53 Messages: 27 Offline

Oct 18, 2021 22:37

Quote It's amazing that you think CyberLink is the gatekeepr on this. SGX support is being phased out, but some sort of hardware DRM encryption is still required by the Blu-ray Disc Association to play 4K blurays. So you are barking up the wrong tree, to use an old phrase.

You can see their announcement on it for more information.

https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/85973.page

Unfortunately you should think about a stand-alone player for 4K BD playback it looks like.

Dave

Other than you, who said they were The Gatekeepers?

Regardless, even you have to admit that CyberLink is the only commercial software company that uses it and Intel is the only company that provides it. With Intel no longer providing it CyberLink is now in the position where they must petition to have it no longer be required. That is if they want the product to survive.

I'm surprised that you required me to tell you this.

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Jets2011

Senior Contributor Location: Canada Joined: Sep 29, 2006 05:26 Messages: 760 Offline

Oct 19, 2021 03:04

A lot of people are implying that they are gatekeepers on what computers can play 4K blurays, but it wasn't them that set the DRM hardware encryption requirement. With the only DRM hardware encryption available gone on new hardware, and no new technology available from what I know, I doubt there is much they can do as a software company, i.e. they are not a hardware company and I doubt the movie studios would want to get rid of this protection on an easily hackable platform.

I'm more than sure the Powerdvd business will be fine from this, as 4K blurays are a less than 10% of disc sales anyway, and on the decline the last couple years.

Dave

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Oct 19, 2021 04:20

Dear All,

We are locking this post before it gets out of hand, as the original poster's question about PowerDVD and SGX has been answered in this FAQ:

https://www.cyberlink.com/support/faq-content.do?id=26690

Since this is a user forum, and not a direct line to CyberLink, please submit any specific questions about this topic directly to them via the below link, as requested in the announcement:

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