Your original footage is 23.97 fps. You can change the settings to 29.97 or 59.94 fps for a smoother drone viewing experience. More than likely the pixilation is due to the use of hardware decoding in the preferences and possible use of hardware acceleration in rendering on the laptop.

tomasc,

thank you for the reply. Couple follow ups>

Quote Your original footage is 23.97 fps. You can change the settings to 29.97 or 59.94 fps for a smoother drone viewing experience.

- Do you mean I should export as 29.97 or 59.94 and not to original fps? I was trying to be as close as possible to the original fps (23.97) to get the smooth cinematic flow. The export was set for 25 to be as closed,


https://ibb.co/vzYL0Cx

Probably modify the profile type?

Quote More than likely the pixilation is due to the use of hardware decoding in the preferences and possible use of hardware acceleration in rendering on the laptop.

Are you talking about Fast video rendering technology?



https://ibb.co/rQCzrsR


https://ibb.co/ZmR8T6r

I thought this is the fuction that allows faster render. Are you saying it may degrade the quality because of this? If yes please advise what settings I should have setup?

Lastly what about 100Mbps of original source vs 50Mbps export?


https://ibb.co/bNW93xy

Thank you in advance.

Additionally to 100Mbps vs 50Mbps.

What are the units used in PD17?

https://ibb.co/HNQFTsC

I have a number of 48500 as Bitrate but doesn't say is this kilobits etc... Is this the equivelent to 50Mbps? If that is the case I what would it be for 99.92Mbps i.e?

Possibly represented in Kilobit?

Yes. You can uncheck the hardware decoding in preferences and produce say 30 sec. of video as a test. If you still have pixelation, then uncheck the fast video rendering technology and produce another 30 sec. There should be no pixelation.

You will notice a difference in footage only where there is a lot of movement in the drone video when produced at the lower 50 Mbps.

If the camera only allows capture at 24p then a custom profile can be created to produce since one is not available as a default. 50 Mbps is 50000 Kbps in the custom profile. One is M and the other is K.

Quote Additionally to 100Mbps vs 50Mbps.

What are the units used in PD17?

https://ibb.co/HNQFTsC

I have a number of 48500 as Bitrate but doesn't say is this kilobits etc... Is this the equivelent to 50Mbps? If that is the case I what would it be for 99.92Mbps i.e?

Possibly represented in Kilobit?

Just noticed. It is in Kbps.

100Mbps == 102400Kbps

Quote Yes. You can uncheck the hardware decoding in preferences and produce say 30 sec. of video as a test. If you still have pixelation, then uncheck the fast video rendering technology and produce another 30 sec. There should be no pixelation.
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Let me create a 30 seconds and test it out.

I'f that works I will be confused why degradation happens because of hw acceleration. I thought this supposed to help speed up but it has a downside?

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If the camera only allows capture at 24p then a custom profile can be created to produce since one is not available as a default. 50 Mbps is 50000 Kbps in the custom profile. One is M and the other is K.

Camera supports 30fps but I'm shooting at 24 because of more data being able to be captured vs 30.

If you search the forums you will find two different thoughts on this. One group like to record the sharpest possible videos at 60 fps in moving drone footage and the others like the filmmakers prefer the cinematic look of 24 fps (slightly blurred) in moving footage. There is no right and wrong. It is the users preference.

Quote Camera supports 30fps but I'm shooting at 24 because of more data being able to be captured vs 30.

24, more data? You mean you think you can record longer duration? If you are capturing both at 100Mbps, then the duration and the end video file is the same size. The lower framerate will just result in a softer somewhat blur that some editors like.

Probably be best to do some experiments for yourself and determine what you like.

Jeff

Quote Yes. You can uncheck the hardware decoding in preferences and produce say 30 sec. of video as a test. If you still have pixelation, then uncheck the fast video rendering technology and produce another 30 sec. There should be no pixelation.
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Here are findings - VERY interesting!

It seems that Fast Video Rendering technology OVERRIDES bitrate from the profile selected causing the pixelation.

Let me give you an example:

1. Render Test with ONLY profile adjusted (23.97 + 100Mbps bitrate) && (HW acceleration enabled + video rendering enabled)
   -No changes pixelation still exist
   -File size 99.4MB
   -Bitrate overwritten to 22.59Mbps (from 100Mbps)
   https://ibb.co/VB1fd23
   
   


2. Render Test with profile and HW acceleration disabled (vide rendering enabled)
   -No changes pixelation still exist
   -File size 99.4MB
   -Bitrate overwritten to 22.58Mbps (from 100Mbps)
   https://ibb.co/VB1fd23
   
   


3. Render Test with profile and HW&video rendering disabled
   -Still see pixelation but seems to be improved - could be my monitor. I'll try upload it and test on 4k tv
   -File size 452MB (difference from 99.4MB with video rendering enabled)
   -Bitrate 102.76Mbps
   https://ibb.co/1KQqR4k
   

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Render Test with profile and HW Acc Enabled and Video Rendering Disabled
-Still see pixelation but seems to be improved - could be my monitor. I'll try upload it and test on 4k tv
-File size 418MB (difference from 99.4MB with video rendering enabled)
-Bitrate 99.80Mbps
-Definatelly something about Video Rendering being enabled.

File samples here(uplading right now):
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmASekm8DZ8mgoxLjoXJUifDF8aJSg

Can somebody explain to me what is happening? Without video rendering CPU gets a hit. Is this a flaw in the PD17 or what?

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24, more data? You mean you think you can record longer duration? If you are capturing both at 100Mbps, then the duration and the end video file is the same size. The lower framerate will just result in a softer somewhat blur that some editors like.

Probably be best to do some experiments for yourself and determine what you like.

Jeff

yes you capture more image at every fps.

100mbps /30p about 3.33/sec
100mbps /24p about 4.16/sec

Quote yes you capture more image at every fps.

100mbps /30p about 3.33/sec
100mbps /24p about 4.16/sec

I think you mean that with a constant 100Mbps bitrate, the 24p video will have more data per frame (4.16Mb/frame @ 24p vs. 3.33Mb/frame @ 30p). In theory, more data allows for higher quality in each frame.

You've got a very clear encoding test for pixelation and detail quality here. Can you also upload your original drone clip to the OneDrive folder? I know that it's 4GB in size, but I'd like to see how it captured the creek to compare it with the produced samples you've shared already.

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I think you mean that with a constant 100Mbps bitrate, the 24p video will have more data per frame (4.16Mb/frame @ 24p vs. 3.33Mb/frame @ 30p). In theory, more data allows for higher quality in each frame.

Yes, I'm sorry for not being clear. Thank you.

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You've got a very clear encoding test for pixelation and detail quality here. Can you also upload your original drone clip to the OneDrive folder? I know that it's 4GB in size, but I'd like to see how it captured the creek to compare it with the produced samples you've shared already.

Raw file uploading right now. It will be 10-15 minutes from now at least. You can see the creek starting at 30 seconds.

Removing the Video Rendering definatelly helps, still little artifacts but way better. Even by just looking at the rendered size tells you something.

Thank you in advance.

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Raw file uploading right now. It will be 10-15 minutes from now at least. You can see the creek starting at 30 seconds.

Thank you in advance.

Seems like its failing the upload - could be too big of a file. Would have to use some ftp to send that over to you.

Bottom line with HW Accelerator OFF & Video Rendering Disabled the artifacts are the smallest - NOT as original footage but slightly noticable. Which will definatelly suck because CPU gets a hit and you can't use your good GPU for it. I'm not in the professional league but there is definatelly something wrong with PD17.

I mean why such a huge difference in file size? It will definatelly hit on the quality. Is this normal or bad software?

I might be picky but degradation of the original footage is there. So this is definatelly settings issues (even though they were customed) or software limitation - which is more likely.

ps. optodata - you have a sick computer configuration .....

You may want to use a free video cutter and say cut the 1st minute of the original and send it instead of the whole thing. Here is a list: https://filmora.wondershare.com/video-editing-tips/free-video-cutter.html . I would choose one that does not re-render only cut so it will be fast and be a small file size that covers the pixelated section we see in the produced.

Quote You may want to use a free video cutter and say cut the 1st minute of the original and send it instead of the whole thing. Here is a list: https://filmora.wondershare.com/video-editing-tips/free-video-cutter.html . I would choose one that does not re-render only cut so it will be fast and be a small file size that covers the pixelated section we see in the produced.

Tried two programs but they still damange the file quality. I would need FTP.

Quote ps. optodata - you have a sick computer configuration .....

Yeah, my 5-year-old i7-4770k system completely died last Dec in the middle of a long project, and I decided to get everything I could possibly afford to last me another 5 years (then I spent >$500 more)

I have files >5GB on OneDrive, so I don't think you ran into a size limit.

Another thing you can do along with tomasc's suggestion is to use PD17's Profile Analyzer on the Produce page, and see if it can come up with at least one matching producing profile. Ideally, there will also be one that works with SVRT, and that will quickly produce at the original quality if you're mostly just trimming your source clips.

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Tried two programs but they still damange the file quality. I would need FTP.

Can't be its just me using PD17 with 4K videos. Anybody else able to reproduce the artifacts?

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Yeah, my 5-year-old i7-4770k system completely died last Dec in the middle of a long project, and I decided to get everything I could possibly afford to last me another 5 years (then I spent >$500 more)

Right. I'm still running on 3770K

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I have files >5GB on OneDrive, so I don't think you ran into a size limit.

I will try again. Maybe it was something on my end. I'll let you know.

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Profile Analyzer on the Produce page, and see if it can come up with at least one matching producing profile. Ideally, there will also be one that works with SVRT, and that will quickly produce at the original quality if you're mostly just trimming your source clips.

Didn't know about this feature. Its pretty awesome. Seems like the "best Matched Format" showing as source 97.50% but all intelligent SVRT are RED. Not sure why.