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AllanSmithee [Avatar]
Member Joined: Mar 13, 2015 19:16 Messages: 54 Offline
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Hi guys, another question for you here.

I've imported a number of videos into a new project and compiled them, edited, spliced, etc as I needed. Now I am running into the issue where it takes a moment to "render" a portion of the video. But it doesn't do this just once and then finish, it must render every time I play the project. I finally figured out what the green line on the timeline means, and I was able to determine that these render issues only happen for the clips that were originally in the MTS format (at higher resolution); the rest of my project was in MP4 format and I have had no issues with those clips. Also, the source footage for the MTS clips in my library have a little green film icon on the lower left hand side of them.

Why must it render every time it plays these clips, is there a way to make PD13 render and be done with it? Should I convert these clips to another format and re-import?

I'm using Windows 7 with onboard Intel graphics (non-dedicated).

Thanks

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Tontze [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 15, 2015 07:50 Messages: 8 Offline
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I have same problem, it only renders second every two seconds when i play... pretty much unbearable.

I also noticed that PD13 takes 99% disc usage when playing movie. I have flash disk, is it too slow ?



EDIT: hmm, i disabled all hardware accelerations from PD settings, it seems there is no rendering anymore Try it out and tell if it makes difference

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The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Try switching "shadow files" off

EDIT - PREFERENCES - uncheck ENABLE HD VIDEO PROCESSING. Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
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Quote: I have flash disk, is it too slow ?


Are you really tring to render video on an USB stick? No wonder is so slow!
Tontze [Avatar]
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Quote:
Quote: I have flash disk, is it too slow ?


Are you really tring to render video on an USB stick? No wonder is so slow!




Lol, i ment ssd
Tontze [Avatar]
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Quote: Try switching "shadow files" off

EDIT - PREFERENCES - uncheck ENABLE HD VIDEO PROCESSING.




That did help too, but after adding effect, transition for example, it starts again using 99% HD time, before adding it was like 1%
The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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I run my system on SSDs and they are super fast.

You could try using Format Factory to convert the MTS to MP4. I find mixing the two doesn't work too well. Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
NonnyM [Avatar]
Member Joined: Dec 04, 2012 13:40 Messages: 51 Offline
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Hi this thread mat have some relevent pointers.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/42753.page#220714

Also see my comments (las item on thread) on Win 7, SSD and the trim comand and "false" restore points;

Rgds Win 7 Home SP 1, PD 13
Processor i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz, 3201 Mhz, 4 Core(s), (RAM) 8.00 GB, Sys Drive 120 gig SSD, Data Drive 1 Terrabyte, Nvidia GeForce GTX 750Ii , Portable USB3 2 Terrabyte


AllanSmithee [Avatar]
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Quote: You could try using Format Factory to convert the MTS to MP4. I find mixing the two doesn't work too well.

This sounds like a great idea, I'll try that.

I did not know about the Format Factory. Can I convert clips that are in my video (i.e. part of the composition already rather than just in my library) as well?

Also I had never heard of the MTS format before I grabbed the files from my camcorder, I thought perhaps it was newer and hence less supported.
Tontze [Avatar]
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Well i reinstalled Windows 8.1 from the scratch. No studdering at all. Everything is fast and smooth
The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Allan

Try downloading the free Format Factory, but you will have to convert the originals ie before they go into the timeline, indeed before they go into PD at all. As a matter of interest, if your camcorder delivers MTS files, can I ask what is the source of the MP4. What do you think your main source will be in the future?

Note that converting the MTS in FF to MP4 will most likely reduce the bitrate quite a lot resulting in a slight loss of quality, but that's what makes them playable so easy in PD.

However, before you go ahead, have you switched "shadow files" off, as suggested in the post above, as this is what is causing the little green flags on your clips. The MTS clips are probably a higher resolution, and PD is constantly having to downgrade the quality to a level it can handle easilly. Turn Shadow files off and the green icon will disappear, but editing the mts files may become more difficult (suck it and see, as they say).

What resolution are the mts files compared to the mp4?

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Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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Hi Tonze
I think a VIRGIN Update is the solution for lots of Problem with PD 13
When,like IN MY CASE I had to reinstall my 8.1 for my Intel Raid 0 Transcend 512gb (x2)ssd Update
I also recognize the Big Speed different !!
The same ...SPEED SPEED and SPEED Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
AllanSmithee [Avatar]
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Quote: What resolution are the mts files compared to the mp4?

I believe they are 1080p whereas the MP4 are 720P.

No the main source for my videos in the future will preferably be MP4. These come from an endoscope and are actually higher than 1080p from the camera, but somehow got downgraded in the video equipment while saving. In the future I will adjust these settings so that the MP4 will save at higher than 1080p. As the video equipment likely constrains these files to be MP4, I would rather force the camcorder footage to MP4 by video conversion before importing.

Thanks, I will try shutting off the shadow files and see if that solves the problem.

Just out of curiosity, is the main issue here a difference in resolution, or a difference in file formats? If I know this one fact then I can prevent this from happening in the future.
The Shadowman
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I'm sorry I don't know why this is happening as I am unable to replicate it. Let us know what happens with shadow files off Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
The Shadowman
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<p>Be careful when using clips higher than 1920x1080, you might find they jump and stutter on the timeline. This is certainly the case with 3840x2160 files. Do all the clips have same frame rate? I think that making all the files MP4 will help, but make sure you produce in MP4</p> Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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Hi Boys
GoPro 4 Type H.264 AVC
Video 3840x2160
25fps
No more jump and stutter on the timeline
with shadow files off
Sometime : Set preview to HD ( Not Full HD ) But you Need
Top SPEED Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Hi Paul

So what have you changed to achieve this great improvement? Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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Intel Raid 0 Transcend 512gb (x2)ssd / 2x4TB SSHD
And Hours of Testing with shadow files on/ off
Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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http://lifehacker.com/pair-ssds-in-a-raid-0-for-a-huge-speed-boost-1602417386 Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
Fabbian [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 08, 2015 13:27 Messages: 29 Offline
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Quote: Hi guys, another question for you here.

I've imported a number of videos into a new project and compiled them, edited, spliced, etc as I needed. Now I am running into the issue where it takes a moment to "render" a portion of the video. But it doesn't do this just once and then finish, it must render every time I play the project. I finally figured out what the green line on the timeline means, and I was able to determine that these render issues only happen for the clips that were originally in the MTS format (at higher resolution); the rest of my project was in MP4 format and I have had no issues with those clips. Also, the source footage for the MTS clips in my library have a little green film icon on the lower left hand side of them.

Why must it render every time it plays these clips, is there a way to make PD13 render and be done with it? Should I convert these clips to another format and re-import?

I'm using Windows 7 with onboard Intel graphics (non-dedicated).

Thanks


Try this. Once you have rendered your MTS clips into MP4 clips import the MP4 clips into your project and use them instead of the MTS clips. I am guessing that you are using the Edit function of Power Director when you talk about playing the project and the playback is slowerer with the high resolution MTS clips than with your lower resolution MP4 clips. You haven't actually rendered the video until you run through the Produce phase. If you produce an MP4 clip from an MTS clip you still have to change your project to use the MP4 clip instead of the MTS clip if you want to get the faster playback. Let me know if that helps.
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