Geforce GTX960 Tested Preview.

No Flickering at all anymore.

I didn't see it in the Preview, and it isn't in the Created Disc Files. It does not matter if 1080 60p or 60i. The Video is great.

And my Video with many Effects and Titles doesn't Flicker Anymore, too.


I'm uploading. But my upload isn't very fast

Here's my DXDIAG. If it should help.

I think, it's not a codec issue, because ALL of my Clips from different Cameras has this issue with PD13 with GTX970.

Created Files Following...

It will be great to see the new video!

Your DxDiag results show many problems with Windows Update, the HD audio driver and a program called DVDFab.

When you have time, you can run "sfc /scannow" from a administrator command prompt and see if Windows can repair the problems.

I don't know if the 970 issue is caused by those problems, but it will help your computer to fix them.

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http://www.file-upload.net/download-10587808/60i-Test-GTX960.m2ts.html
http://www.file-upload.net/download-10587830/60p-GTX960-Test.m2ts.html

60i-Test-GTX960.m2ts
60p-GTX960-Test.m2ts


The Clips are Produced from the same Original before. PD13 Hardware Acceleration during creating is turned "On", and Create Disc Hardware Video Encoding is turned "On", too.

No Flickering.

Geforce GTX960 Tested Preview.

No Flickering at all anymore.

I didn't see it in the Preview, and it isn't in the Created Disc Files. It does not matter if 1080 60p or 60i.

Just not to let doubt the difference between "P" and "I" is only seen after produced the video or BD.
In the preview edition is just a sample that has no relation to the final quality. (video not yet rendered) AMD-FX 8350 / 8GB DDR3
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opodata,

NO!

I have tried it with new install Windows 8.1 64Bit and Only Geforce Drivers and PD13 up to date.

Same Issue with Flickering. But now i restored my backup.

Playsound,

i think the same with the Preview. But look now at the Created Disc Files. There is no Flickering.

And this sounds good for me.

I don't know were the problem exist (GTX970 Driver <> PD13 ), but with the GTX960 it works.

Now i am tested Create a Complete BD Movie with alle Effects and Titles, All Hardware Decoding/Encoding On.

Yes, your drivers are up to date but your computer has had many bad crashes (Blue Screens) and I wanted you to run a repair. You do not have to do anything I suggest, so I will not say anything more about that.

The flickering problem is still present on the "60i" clip because it is actually made at 30i, just like the one from your 970. Both flicker very much when I play them in VLC, so something is very wrong for PD with HW enabled. The 60p clip is actually 60p, and that is why there's no flicker.

I know you prefer use Create Disc rather than to use Produce, but I believe your discs would be higher quality if you produced the video to 60p and then created a disc from that video. It is an extra step, and maybe your AMD card gives you good results with Create Disc.

It would be very helpful to see what the video looks like if when you Produce. You can use the Produce Range feature to produce just a few seconds of the clip rather than the entire video, and that would be much faster to test and post the results.

I think Cyberlink will need to fix the problem with Create Disc with GTX9xx cards and HW encoding at 60i, but you now have other ways to stop the flickering.

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optodata,

have you downloaded the right clips ?!

I don't see any flicker, nothing. In Both Created Files.

And i don't use the AMD Graphics. I use now GTX960. As i posted before.

I have produced now my BD Disc. Nothing Flickers.

Okay, i've much more testing with other Software.

Bye for now.

Yes, I have all the clips that you have posted. If you look at the Media Details, you will see that 60i-Test-GTX960 and Flickering60i are both 29.97 interlaced. Neither one is 60i.

Watch them in full screen with VLC and you will see identical flicker in both. The flicker in this case depends on what you use to watch. PD may show one smooth and one not, and different players may show different flicker because they use may different decoders. The problem is your clips are being created as 30i.

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Maybe this will help: When you have lots of motion in a video, the WORST quality (most flicker) will bet at 30i. 60i is better, but there will be faster, smaller flickering. 30p will be smooth but will jump a little between frames, and 60p will be as smooth as possible.

The worst= 30i, best = 60p, so we want PD to create disc and produce to 60i or better. So far, both GTX9xx cards give you 30i when you Create Disc at 60i. That's what Cyberlink needs to fix. I want to see what Produce gives you for 60p and 60i, not Create Disc because we know that is broken.

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Sorry, but i watched them 30 times. I can't see any Flickering.

Both Clips 60p and 60i (says at 30i, but it is 60i) runs smooth without Flickering.

I think the 60i Clip is a Meta Data Error. If it would be really 30i, it couldn't run smooth.

I Played it with PD14, Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic Home Cinema 64Bit. No Flickering.

Played it same well with my Mede8er Media Player from NAS.

Could anyone confirm this ?!

The meta data is accurate. This clip is 29.97 interlaced:

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Yes, i know. But it's true. It runs smooth and fine.

And finally i repeat myself: i don't see any Flicker.

Have burned a 1080 60i BD Movie Disc with my old Project Movie, that Flickers with GTX970.

In Second i Burned the Same Project as a 1080 60p BD Disc.

The Project has many effects and Titles, the Originally Clips are 1080 60p.

Have tested it with two Hardware Players: LG BH7240 and LG BP620.

The Result:

It looks fine and there is no Flickering, with both (60i and 60p).

My Wife confirmed. And she has the best eyes ;

Eventually VLC Player is the Candidate for Picture Errors ?! I don't know...

I'm happy now and know what i should do.

Good Night from Germany

PD has a bug and Cyberlink will need to fix it, but the important thing is that you and your wife are happy with the results.

Thank you for all the time you've spent to help everyone understand the problem!

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Dafydd, is there enough info here for CL to investigate the incorrect frame rate issue when using Create Disc with HW Encoding enabled on GTX9xx cards?

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blasiusxx is correct that his created video is 60i and not 30i. See this link and scroll down to the 60i paragraph: http://www.steves-digicams.com/knowledge-center/video-frame-rates-24p-25p-30p-60i.html .60i means 60 interlaced fields per second. It takes 2 interlaced fields to be 1 frame. The Mediainfo supplied by optodata shows interlaced 29.970 fps. That is 60i not 30i as defined by the link.

Checked out your the 4 uploaded files for gop settings, bitrate, etc. Observed the flickering on the Flickering60i.m2ts video using WMP and VLC. It is not seen on VLC when Video/Deinterlace on/Discard setting is used. Knew that it had to be 1 bad encoded field.

Here is the flicker frame captured by VLC with Video/Deinterlace/Off setting. One field is encoded incorrectly relative to the other. See the wide mice teeth. Had to step through frame by frame to find it. Compare that with the next frame which is okay. Mice teeth is normal when displaying 2 fields in interlaced video.

Glad that the GTX 960 resolved the problem. See no flickering in the last two files uploaded created by the gtx 960. Agree that Cyberlink need to fix the problem.

I see no such flickering issue with my GTX970. Maybe the friend that loaned the GTX960 which appears good should try the bad GTX970 in his box and see if the issue repeats, results might give CL something to work with.
All I can say is I see no flicker with his referenced Original.MTS if I use a single copy in the timeline, multiple copies, create disc production with Create Disc Hardware Video Encoding turned "On" as blasiusxx indicates in any of the 60i (29.97fps) profiles.
Maybe this localized issue has something to do with the larger frame size Nvidia interlaced problems referenced here:

"Second Email: CL info: "..checked with our developer, we found using nVidia HW encode to produce 2K/4K interlace profile has problem so we disable HW encode option for H.264 2K/4K interlace profiles. It is an expected behavior for PowerDirector." http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/25/43028.page

Jeff

tomasc,

thank you very much. Exaclty as you said with 1080i.
Your Translating and understanding is 100%

The GTX960 now runs smooth with PD13, the GTX970 before produces trouble. But ONLY in my Cases.

"If you're happy with it, all is fine." Nothing Changes.

But the Issue isn't solved. Don't know what causes the trouble exactly. I think its a Cyberlink Issue.

I had nothing trouble with HW Decoding/Encoding with such Software (TMPPEnc, Nero,etc,).

At Last: Had Changing the Graphic Adpater now to the GTX970 again. And what should i said...after a rebbot and install of the drivers, there are the same flickering.

Think that i should buy me a gtx960. ;

@JL_JL



Sometimes i think so. They put all work in PD13 only in 4K. And H264 ramains "back".

But i have tested it on another Computer like mine. The Result will not like to you.

I have seen some of the posts where Jeff keeps telling you that he doesn't have your problems with his GTX 970. He takes your original source file and create 60i ntsc BD discs with no flickering. He also points out that nVidia hardware encode is disabled for 2k interlaced profiles (your 60i BD disc).

The GTX 970 is pretty new and you might just have a bad one that can be replaced under the warranty. In the past, when I mail a pc card back to the manufacturer, they don't fix it and just send out a refurbished one to replace what I sent in. Depend on where you purchased that card, the retailer might replace it for you. Try that before buying another card.

i don't think its a hardware bug.

The GTX970 runs with other Softwware (like TMPGEnc Mastering Works 6, Magix Video Deluxe) perfectly.

And both supports HW De/Encoding with NVEnc.

It's still an Cyberlink "Feature", i think.

There's a bug in Cyberlink PD13 Software Code.

You see it, if you create a Disc with HW Encoding (by Geforces) enabled. There are Chapter Errors and Problems with FastForward/Fast Rewind.



Intel Quick Sync is better. There is no Software or Driver. It's implemented in Hardware, thats the adavantage. There is no need to install Drivers. And the Drivers are one source of Errors.