Messages posted by asoccerdad

BTW Roxio does a very good job in estimating project size which I have used for years. I only looked for another product because my current version does not burn Blu Ray nor does it handle large projects very well.

PD is a good product and is now meeting my needs (Thanks Jeff!) but the PD team would benefit from looking at Roxio and similar products to provide additional flexibility in menu creation and create disc options, plus the size estimation which appears to have been an issue through many versions.

Thanks to all. I have been able to create multiple disc while retaining the desired bitrate.

Jeff

Jeff,

I did as you said and wala 12500kbps bitrate! I even created a slideshow and went through the same and it came out as expected. I really thank you for helping me out. PD is a good product but they really need to fix 2 major flaws:

1. The estimation size of create disc projects
2. Allow custom bitrate on create disc

Next on to see if I can actually create an entire project with everything correct.

Thanks again!

Jeff

OK. I guess I need to change my GOPRO to 16x9. I will give that a try in creating a 16x9 file.

Thanks
Jeff

See attached. I went through it one more time with this file just to make sure..... When trying to upload the video file to the link it tells me I do not have perms.

Jeff

Everything seems to work with the exception of one video file I have that is 2.2GB. I use Produce to create the bitrate to 12.5Mbps but no matter what I do the create disc creates a video file with 16Mbps. Even when I have other files in the create disc project that get created with 12.5Mbps, this one file ends up with 16Mbps. Which is 600MB larger than it started.

I have recreated the file multiple times with my custom profile and then tried using create disc with only that file and with others. It is the only one that goes back to the higher bitrate.

Any thoughts? Do you think it is because of the size of the file? I plan on trying another file that is large.

Jeff

Jeff

I am not sure what I did before, but now it works.

Do you have any idea how I can get my custom bitrate on Create Disc without creating an output file with Produce which basically has the same settings as the original file? I tried going through the same steps but used the original file but it always increases the bitrate.

I am trying multiple video files now to see if it will handle keeping the lower bitrate.

I really wish PD would allow changing the bitrate in create Disc as other products allow you to do.

Thanks
Jeff

Jeff

Here you go....This is the standard file type from the video camera. I want to keep everything the same.

Thanks much!

Jeff

Jeff

I followed the pdf and under Produce, created a custom H.264 custom profile. The only thing I changed was Average bit rate from 15500kps to 13500kbps. I created file in Produce and it created an mts file with 14103kbps bitrate. I then added the file to Create Disc, created 4 chapters. I then selected AVCHD disc and burned to folder.

Once completed the file has a bitrate of 16443kbps, the same as before.

I had placed a case with support and they told me there is no way to change the bitrate under Create Disc.

I will play around with it some more, but those are my results so far.

Jeff

Yes, but I want to use PD for editing videos, then creating menus, chapters, etc. I can burn to folders with PD but it also has issues with blowing up video bitrate.

Thanks
Jeff

I have tried different settings in produce but that appears to only apply to when I burn the file to mp4 or whatever I choose. It does not appear to affect video whenI burn to disc or folder under create disc. And from threads I read it seems to go along with that.

The video bitrate is always about 16700kbps, up from 12654kbps, on the native video file when burned in Create disc when selecting AVCHD or BR.

Thanks
Jeff

I was provided a replay back from support that there is no way to modify the video bitrate in the create disc tab. And I assume since no one has responded they have found any other means to modify it.

It is a shame since PD is a good product but this one issue makes it drop below others in my eyes when it balloons video files by 40% in size AND is no where close to accurate on size estimation (which has been pointed out on numerous occasions on this board). Roxio and VideoStudio does not blow up the video bitrate but you can actually change video quality when burning to disc or folder with these products. It is a shame PD has had some of the same issues for a while and does not get addressed.

Jeff

I have seen many posts in regards to how you create custom profiles in the Produce section to lower the bitrate of final videos. I want to be able to lower ( keep my bitrate the same) what bitrate PD12 uses for burning to folder or disc. My final outcome is a AVCHD or BR disc with menus and multiple video clips.

My original video clips are all 1920x1080, 12449kbps, 29fps. If I burn to folders then it moves the birtate up to 16727kbps. This increases the size of the file by 40%. Both AVCHD and BR selections for disc result in the same bitrate.
I have searched and looked but cannot find anyway to at least keep my bitrate to the original file.

Thanks
Jeff

My issue is not the smart fit but PD size estimation plus it's bitrate cannot be controlled so you end up with a much larger video than with other products.

Jeff

Jeff,

Thanks for your response as that is exactly my point and problem. What what it is worth here is supports response as of today. This response is a follow up from the 2nd level escalation. At least them appear to acknowledge the problem.

"Thank you for writing back.

We really appreciate you for providing us with information. We've made the summary and passed it to our QA team.

They are trying to reproduce the issue in lab and our R&D checking out for resolution.

It may take some time to check and as soon as we receive the update, we'll revert you back."

Jeff

Ultimately my issue is the incorrect size PD displays. Why would I have to write to folders on the HD to then only find out that it is too big for 4GB DVD or 25GB BR. Then I would need to redit, remove a video file then recreate the video folders.

Pretty much all of my videos are same quality taken with HD camcorder 1920x1080, Video BR 12435kbps, frame rate 29 fps, Audio BR 256kps. Seems the files PD create on the folder changes video BR to 16,904kbps. That is the only difference in properties on the video clip. That one change does increase the m2ts file size in the folder as compared to what I imported from the HD camera.

I read the pdf and I believe that is the exact same problem I am encountering, which in my opinion is a bug/bad code in PD. Roxio has no problems whatsoever providing a valid estimate of project size and is accurate. Even from Create Disc, if I have AVCHD selected with 4.7GB DVD, it will not even let me burn to hard drive because it says not enough space (388GB free). I change to 8.5GB DVD and it writes to hard drive. Not sure why it thinks selecting media has anything to do with writing to the hard drive.... How can a product have this many obvious bugs?

Well unless I hear something better from support, guess I'll end my trial and look elsewhere for a product. Don't know how it received so many top product awards with these obvious flaws for issues that will throw most people off. Otherwise a good product.

Thanks for the suggestions. If you have others, send along.

Jeff

Yeah, seems like a lot of work when I have a product that works in that area. I do like several things about PD12 over Roxio so I'll see if I can figure out why. I've entered a support case, so I guess I will see how well they respond on support.

My next test was to see if it will really burn an "oversized project." I created a PD12 project exactly like one in Roxio where I have burned a DVD-SL (4GB) AVCHD (Project size is 3474MB in Roxio and shows 5507MB in PD12). In PD the AVCHD DVD (4GB) failed to burn. Roxio no problems burning.

Tried to burn the same project above to folders and get "The size of the imported files exceed the amount of available disk space" in the Create Disc section, strange. I have 388GB free on the HD, see screen shot attached.

I find it hard to belive everyone who uses PD12 has a vapor 2GB that cannot use on a DVD or BR. I'd be curious to hear from you all on what you see. Seems like a very obvious bug and would think an easy fix.

One last interesting thing with my tests. Removed a 5MB video and project shrank from 5977MB to 5943MB (34MB less), removed 733MB and it went from 5943MB to 4842MB (1101MB less). Thats just bad.

Jeff

Thank for the response.
stevek,Time really does not come into play when I create AVCHD with Roxio. I go by the size of the project, and then leave about 300MB free that it needs when the DVD is burned.

Carl, You mention work arounds. Other than having to figure the size of each clip and slideshow what else is there? Seems strange to me it would be off by so much. A pretty basic thing for the app to figure out.

I assume you mean Bluray and DVD as the size shows the same for either.

Of course because PD show 5997MB in the project and it is really only 3723MB the burn fails. Works in Roxio. So even though PD is wrong is thinks it is correct.

I would be interested to hear how much space others use on DVD/BR as compared to the actual files used in the project.

Jeff

I have been using Roxio Creator 2011 for a couple of years and it does not burn BlueRay discs and Roxio does not offer the BR plugin anymore. I figured now is a good time to evaluate other products again. I am currently on a trial version of PD12.

In Roxio the size to be used on a DVD is shown when attempting to create an AVCHD is correct. I used this to determine when my project was considered "full." In PD12 when I am on the create disc screen attempting to burn BR or AVCHD the space to be used is not correct. It is off anywhere from 700MB to 1GB. The create disc showed the size to be 4200MB and it was actually 3500MB on disc and DVD.

I actually burned the project to hard drive and then to AVCHD. The space used matches the RAW file plus a little for menus. I don't want to go through adding the size of my raw files and slideshows. Too much work compared to it just showing correctly.

The last project I tested showed 5997/4700MB (5997MB is supposed to be the size of the project and 4700MB is the blank DVD size). The burn failed. The size of the files (which are mt2s HD) total 3723MB. I used 5 chapters and one of the default menus so I doubt the overhead if 1GB. I put the same files in a Roxio project and it shows the size to be 3962MB.

Create Disc Settings:
Video Format=AVCHD Widescreen 16:9
Video encoding=H.264 HD 1920x1080/60i
Audio Dolby Digital 2 Channels.

Has anyone seen this problem?

Thanks in advance,

Jeff