PowerDVD 14 and my old PS3 both can play my 60FPS BD made by PowerDirector 13. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PowerDirector 365

Quote: The preset profile in 'Produce' works fine with SVRT - but not in 'Create Disc'.

Quote:

Quote: Hi,
The new patch patch does not appear to have fixed the issues we found, namely the incorrect blu-ray disc file structure for 50p BD discs and lack of SVRT support for 50p.
Take a look Nathan.
Dafydd, could you ask them why they haven't fixed this?
Thanks!
Andrew

Looks to me as if clpi and mpls issues are fixed with NTSC but not PAL. SVRT won't work in either as "Produce" uses a 3, 13 GOP structure and "Create Disc" uses a 3, 16 GOP structure. For NTSC you can create a proper GOP profile with a edit of profile.ini, and then SVRT will work in "Create Disc". Have not played with PAL profiles. Not sure of the CL intent behind using different GOP structure between "Produce" and "Create Disc" for the same default profile.
So patch has changes, just not resolution.
Jeff

Quote: PowerDVD 14 and my old PS3 both can play my 60FPS BD made by PowerDirector 13.

Does that mean you haven't been able to test a 50p BD, that's the issue for Andrew and Nathan, as they're both in a PAL area.
As you would already know, players can get "fixed" to the wrong fps/region. Perhaps you can find another spare computer to test PAL produced BD on? Let us know when you have. Thanks.
Dafydd

My PC, PS3 and blu-ray players play the 50p discs. The only reason I knew there was an issue is when Nathan flagged it up.

This is a fairly serious bug which we reported 2 weeks ago - I can't believe they haven't fixed it because it makes BD in 50p unplayable in certain players.

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

Quote: Hi Jeff,

Thanks for posting this. How do you alter the profile for PAL and Create Disc?

Cheers,

Andy

I didn't play with SVRT and PAL, of no interest to me. What I did verify, if one creates a NTSC profile for "Produce" that matches what PD13 is using for output format of 1920x1080/60p "Create Disc" process, SVRT will indeed be used in the "Create Disc" process for any files that are rendered in "Produce" with the correct profile. As I stated, it's unclear to me why CL uses two different output VOB structures between "Produce" process with the default 1920x1080/60p profile and "Create Disc" process with the same default profile as this appears to render SVRT un-functional in "Create Disc" process for NTSC unless you use a user defined custom profile that matches what "Create Disc" process is using.

Hopefully CL is yet again investigating and will ultimately release something functional for end users.

Jeff

I just upgraded to Power Director 13 Ultimate from Power Director 12 Ultra for US$67,
as Cyberlink has an offer now 50% off plus 20% off for members Coupon code: MEMBER20.
I have done some testing regarding 50/60P 1920X1080 Blu-ray Now Supported.
The patch 2307 form 11-11-2014 is included in Cyberlinks download.
50P 1920X1080 Blu-ray plays fine with Power DVD on a PC and Samsung BD-C6900.
On a PS3 no Menu, no picture only sound.
Attached please find PDF documentation.

I checked, the 60p profile also produced non standard CLPI / MPLS files.

In Summary, the M2TS files are fine and look good, but due to the issue with he CLPI/MPLS files, disks currently produced in PD using the 1920x1080/50 or 60p will not play in some players. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Quote: Looks to me as if clpi and mpls issues are fixed with NTSC but not PAL.

My apologies, it looks like my mistake in claiming the clpi and mpls are fixed with NTSC in the patch. After Nathan posted he found issue with 60p, I tried to reproduce what I had done in PD13 with patch. All attempts (HA, CPU encoding, SVRT, Pref changes) show issues with several clpi and mpls files created by PD13. I still have one "My Video" folder created when I made the post that is okay but I can not recreate the event.

Either a error on my part or some unique combination of events lead to a proper "My Video" folder that has no issue with the clpi or mpls files, I'll assume it must have been my error.

My GOP statements and SVRT statements still appear to repeat and appear correct.

Jeff

Sorry Jeff, I forgot to check out the GOP info! (and I'm away till the weekend again).
Nahtan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Hello

Just to confirm the problems, did a 60P using the "remove disc" method. It played ok on the LG BR player, however the bit rate is only 15Mb should be 28Mb. Using PD13 V2123

I burned the file structure with Roxio.

Eugene 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

JMONE's over 3 year old FIX PD9 to the rescue.

Created a 1920x1080 60P 28Mb video in PD13, corrected audio problems with FIX PD9, then used TsMuxer to get the correct files and burned in Roxio.

Result?

A correct 1920x1080 60P 28Mb BR DVD that PD13 is still unable to produce in this format.

Thank you Nathan!

Eugene 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

CyberLink info, 2014-11-21

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For BD 50P/60P issue,

In the latest official Blu-ray Disc specification, Blu-ray Disc with 1080P 50P/60P is currently not yet specified. CyberLink has received many demands to support this profile; however, we implement this profile in PowerDirector 13, a step ahead of the industry focus.

Therefore, it is reasonably expected that the 50P/60P Blu-ray Disc produced by PowerDirector 13 may not be readable in most of Blu-ray Disc players. On the other hand, if the player did not limit itself from reading such profile, it is very likely that the player will be able to successfully playback the profile.

BDEditor follows the official Blu-ray Disc specification and therefore it makes sense returning the CLPI and MPLS errors when it is not ready to recognize such profile.

The 1080P 50P/60P Blu-ray Disc produced by PowerDirector 13 has been verified with PowerDVD 13 and PowerDVD 14. We, therefore, suggest you playback your creation with PowerDVD 13 or 14.
***************

I have responded to CyberLink by re-stating the current concerns, hence the delay in posting the data, I was waiting for additional information. Nathan asked on another thread (latest beta) and I indicated I would post the data here. If members would like to post/add their own response, I will present the information/feedback to CyberLink asap.

Dafydd

This explanation would appear to make sense. As I have stated previously, the discs play well on my 2011 Sony BD Player, my PS3 and my PC using PowerDVD. They do not play on my parents' 2009 Sony BD Player.

Is there a reason why SVRT does not work in Create Disc for a 50p disc Dafydd?

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

Sony HDR-PJ810 and HDR-PJ530

50P 1920X1080 Blu-ray plays fine with Power DVD on a PC and Samsung BD-C6900.
On a PS3 no Menu, no picture only sound.

Quote: This explanation would appear to make sense. As I have stated previously, the discs play well on my 2011 Sony BD Player, my PS3 and my PC using PowerDVD. They do not play on my parents' 2009 Sony BD Player.

Is there a reason why SVRT does not work in Create Disc for a 50p disc Dafydd?

Cheers,

Andrew

Hi Andrew,
I asked the same to CyberLink and have yet to receive a reply. I'll chase.
Dafydd

FYI - I disagree with CL's analysis of the problem regarding the 50/60p structure and will create some complaint CLPI/MPLS but as I am away I'll have to do it on the weekend. CLPI/MPLS only contain meta data about the structure and nature of the the content but the creation of these files themselves is corrupt for what I can so (eg it is not that the meta data values relating to the higher frame rates that is causing the issue). A good example is that the CLPI/MPLS files created using the AVCHD 50/60p profile load fine.
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Quote: FYI - I disagree with CL's analysis of the problem regarding the 50/60p structure and will create some complaint CLPI/MPLS but as I am away I'll have to do it on the weekend. CLPI/MPLS only contain meta data about the structure and nature of the the content but the creation of these files themselves is corrupt for what I can so (eg it is not that the meta data values relating to the higher frame rates that is causing the issue). A good example is that the CLPI/MPLS files created using the AVCHD 50/60p profile load fine.
Thanks
Nathan

Thanks Nathan,
I've passed on your feedback to CyberLink and look forward to your followup analysis.
Dafydd

Hi Andrew,
Update: For the SVRT doesn't work issue, R&D has been assigned to investigate it further.

We await the outcome.
Dafydd

I have authored a test Blu-ray disc with 1 minute 1920 x 1080P input to test PD13 Create Disc
with my other Authoring Tool MultiAVCHD.
PD13 Create Disc time 18 minutes! & incorrect BD structure.
MultiAVCHD Authoring time 0.32 seconds! & correct BD structure.
Analysis done with BDinfo v.0.5.8.
See attached PDF.

If you used PD13 AVC 1920x1080 60/50P 28Mb, then I am surprised because TsMuxer will not accept that because of the audio fault.

Eugene 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

MultiAVCHD Authoring was done with the same Video clip
fed directly in for Authoring with no connection to PDIR 13,
and hence no Audio fault.

For people in "PAL" area - why insist in using 50fps?
Any modern HDTV can play 24, 50 and 60fps formats. PAL is dead, same with NTSC - those are purely analog "standard definition" formats, not in use anymore.
Only a TV broadcasting station might have interest in keeping the 50fps format, for their old tapes and probably because that's how broadcast licenses where granted.