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georgiejr [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bacolod City, Philippines Joined: Feb 04, 2016 18:53 Messages: 38 Offline
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Hi,

New to PD14. Can the rotation be done in PD14 itself or do I have to look for a software to rotate the video.

There are times that I shoot video in portrait from a regular camera not a phone camera and then slowly rotate the camera itself to go into landscape mode. Is there a way to edit that video and have it all in landscape mode? Windows 10 64-bit on I7-2600 3.4GHZ
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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Mar 07, 2012 09:15 Messages: 1303 Offline
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Hello, georgiejr!

Welcome to the forum! Yes, you can rotate a clip in PD14, Drop the video onto the timeline, then, in "Tools", select "Power Tools", Here you have the options of 2D to 3D, Video In Reverse(good for comic effect), Crop & Zoom, Video Speed(Benny Hill used this for his end-of show chase sequences, all those girls chasing "him"! ha-ha), and the one you want, Video Rotation. Just check the box next to the tool you wish to use.

Cheers!

Neil.
georgiejr [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bacolod City, Philippines Joined: Feb 04, 2016 18:53 Messages: 38 Offline
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Thank you Neil, will try it out. Windows 10 64-bit on I7-2600 3.4GHZ
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georgiejr [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Bacolod City, Philippines Joined: Feb 04, 2016 18:53 Messages: 38 Offline
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Working great Neil. I know being new, too many features and tools for you. But how good are the tools, if you don't use it since you don't know how, you don't know where it is located and when to use these tools. The user guide just gives you an overview. Maybe, is read the user guide completely from cover to the last page. I know it needs practice but if you are not aware of how to use the features or where it is in PD14 then I get lost. Any suggestions on reading materials, books that might make me improve using PD14. Windows 10 64-bit on I7-2600 3.4GHZ
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Dannie321 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 27, 2015 13:37 Messages: 16 Offline
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Hey georgiejr,

One way to learn more about PD 14 is to read this forum as much as you can and you'll see how the experts help those that ask for help.

Also there is an active link if you will scroll down on the message board that is titled "PD 14 Tutorials." When you click on that there are numerous tutorials on PD. It is loaded.

Also you can go to "youtube" and search for PD tutorials and you should see many.

Lastly do a search on this message board and you'll see where help was provided to many by other users responding back to them with help and ideas.

No doubt some of the Senior members may reply with more information for you in regard to your questions.

Regards,
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi georgiejr -

Quote: There are times that I shoot video in portrait from a regular camera not a phone camera and then slowly rotate the
camera itself to go into landscape mode.


Unless I'm misreading what you've said, that would mean the recorded video shifts from portrait to lansdcape...



If that's the case, the question is more complex than it first appears.

Quote: Is there a way to edit that video and have it all in landscape mode?


What you'd need to do is use rotation and scale keyframes to reverse the motion of your camera.

Cheers - Tony
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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
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Hi, Tony!

I was endeavouring to keep it simple and straight-forward for GeorgieJr, as he has only in the last month joined this forum. Software programmes like PD14 can be daunting for the uninitiated.... so many features, so many tools, so many functions! My basic info explained where to find the tool GeorgieJr was looking for. Your info, while valid for a more advanced user, as it deals with video image orientation(landscape vs. portrait) and aspect ratios, but for someone just new to the process of editing video, such things as "keyframes", is "territory yet to be explored". I'm not setting out to offend here but I think you may be taking GeorgieJr a little further down the track than he is prepared to travel at the moment.

Cheers!

Neil.
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Neil -

I'm not offended & completely understand that you were trying to keep it simple for someone who is new to PDR 14. Fair enough.

My reading of the question (quoted above) indicates to me that the OP might be in deeper than he'd like to be. My response didn't make it more complicated than necessary - it was an attempt to clarify the question.

If you'd genuinely intended to "keep it simple" you could have just said "grab the blue circle in the preview screen and spin it around".

Anyway - let's wait & see how georgiejr is going with solving the question.

Cheers - Tony
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georgiejr [Avatar]
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Thanks for the reply to all. I did what Neil suggested and worked pretty well and learned that at the moment it tries to turn, I did a split and then applied the rotate feature and got what I wanted to do.

Ynotfish: been through you tube and from PD Univ, PD Toots and learning slowly but keyframes is really the main thing that I'd like to learn but still confusing to me. in time.. Windows 10 64-bit on I7-2600 3.4GHZ
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The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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georgiejr

I'm not convinced by your latest reply that PD is doing what you want it to do (it tries to turn).

Follow these tips and see if it's better or worse, maybe you do have it stitched up.

Put your clip in the timeline and highlight it.

Just above the timeline, click on KEYFRAME and then when thats open CLIP ATTRIBUTES

You will then see a sub heading called ROTATION

At this point because your clip will appear in the preview window to be on it's side (your portrait view) click into the rotation scale and type 90.00, now click on the little diamond to set your starting keyfame.

You will see a red scrubberline down the side of the keyframe. Drag it across the screen to about half way. Now click in the rotation scale again and type 00.00. when you have done this, not before, click on the diamond again. This will add your next keyframe ie your clip should look normal.

Finally, drag the scrubber right across to the end, right click and select "duplicate last keyframe"

Now when you play the clip your portrait view should gradually change to landscape and stay there.

If I have just taught my grandmother to suck eggs, please accept my apologies.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
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And while doing that, the resulting resolution will be 1/4 of what you started from...

The simple solution is to take a look at your TV orientation. Then keep the phone the same way when taking videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA

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The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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OP says he is using a regular camera NOT a phone. Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
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Then... more reasons not to do it.
Richmond Dan
Senior Contributor Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 07, 2014 17:17 Messages: 673 Offline
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Thanks, Shadowman. Clear, simple explanation of keyframing. Regards,
Dan
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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Fellow thread followers -

Yes - good job Robert! laughing

Being a random concrete learner, as I am, I shot a few short clips with the shifting orientation georgiejr described in the first post. Up till now, I'd been guessing how the clip might look in PDR. The screenshots I posted are/were wrong.

Here's one of those little clips you can download if you'd like to play with the georgiejr's question: Is there a way to edit that video and have it all in landscape mode?

Download - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxp60P6x4uM2RU0tS29yMDNrS2M

I haven't started on it yet. All I've done is get the raw material ready.

Cheers - Tony
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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
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Quote: If you'd genuinely intended to "keep it simple" you could have just said "grab the blue circle in the preview screen and spin it around".


Hi' Tony!

Yeah, sorry! That one slipped past me, I missed it totally! I was going by the more obvious solution.

Cheers!

Neil.
tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Great explanation there Robert! Downloaded Tony’s Rotation Clip.m2ts. Clicked on the clip in PD14, hit modify. Determine that rotation start at 2.00 and stops at 7:05. Object settings/Rotation at 90 degrees at 0.00 and at 2:00. Rotation ends at 0 degrees at 7:05 to 9:06.

It looks like 6 more keyframes are needed here to smooth out the rotation on this particular one. The basics from the Shadowman works as shown in the attachment.
 Filename
Rotation Clip.wmv
[Disk]
 Description
This clip is rotated from 2:00 to 7:05 in sec:frames
 Filesize
391 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
319 time(s)
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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I think it was a mistake recording those rotating clips at a low bitrate. I did that deliberately with a view to uploading.

Now, admittedly, the camera guy wasn't all that smooth with his rotation. BUT setting rotation keyframes makes it much worse. All I've achieved so far is a juddery mess... and that's following Robert's steps with central keyframes at 2:00 & 7:06. tomasc - yours is a tiny bit smoother than anything I've got so far.

Grumpy's idea is probably the right one - don't do it in the first place unless that's how you want it to look. Yeh - OK - I'm paraphrasing.

Cheers - Tony
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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Another try at keyframing Tony's Clip.

I do not think you can do a smooth rotation. It would take many more keyframes than I used.

.My opinion, don't use a video camera that way. Most important, don't try to straighten the clip after the fact.
 Filename
Keyframe rotation.wmv
[Disk]
 Description
It is jerky.
 Filesize
5670 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
341 time(s)
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The Shadowman
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I went to quite a lot of trouble and I am convinced it can't be done perfectly.

I broke the rotation part of the clip down to INDIVIDUAL frames which works out at about 125. That part is fine, but when you try and change the rotation in power tools the graduation is not small enough to make each frame exact.

I got pretty smooth, but nowhere near good enough.

My verdict is: It cant be done!

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
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