GTX 960M question

GGRussell

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Jun 17, 2015 18:23

Have being looking at a new laptop with GTX 960M GPU. I've searched on Google and couldn't really find any cmparisons to the GTX 960. Does the mobile GPU support H265?

I probably won't be editing that much on the laptop, but more like a backup or away from home situation. Im not an nVidia fan, but difficult to find a high end laptop with ATI GPU. Most are 'gaming' laptops. Anyway, any links to comparisons, etc.? Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

tomasc

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Jun 17, 2015 22:30

Short answer is no. This is a midrange card. See this Notebook check review: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-960M-Review.137893.0.html .

The high end GTX 970M and GTX 980M do support both h.265 encode and decode up to 4k resolution acording to paragraph 7 in the Notebook check review: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-970M.126694.0.html .

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optodata

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Jun 17, 2015 23:49

Yeah, it's really surprising to me that the 960M is NOT based on the same chipset and has fewer features than the 960 desktop version. The last spec on the nVidia 960M *page* clearly shows that there is no H.265 support in the silicon, which was the big reason for buying a GTX 960 for editing.

As far as other notebook choices go, the 965M, 970M and even 980M also lack HW encoders and any HW H.265 support according to nVidia's own spec *pages*. They all have H.264 decoders so the emphasis is clearly on playback, and I don't know whether the notebookcheck.net article that tomasc linked to or the nVidia spec sheet page is correct with regard to H.265. Maybe someone can find an unimpeachable reference for the final determination...

As if to make the mobile and desktop comparisons even more difficult, NONE of the spec pages for nVidia's GTX 9xx H.265-enabled *cards* even list that capabililty in their specs! Why the #$%^ not???

GGRussell

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Jun 18, 2015 00:02

Hurts my head reading all that. Don't understand a bit of it. LOL Would seem that the GTX 960M is not just a mobile version of the GTX 960.

Guess I'll keep looking for a high end laptop with ATI GPU. Thansk for the links and info

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emma13xia

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Jun 18, 2015 02:47

Haven't heard any rumor about GPU can support H265, hope this can be realized in future.

Kyle 40

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Jun 18, 2015 03:28

Ummm, better not throw away my Catozzo 16MM film splicer just yet then

I just want to edit and make pictures, walk my dog and go fishing.

optodata

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Jun 18, 2015 11:31

Quote: Haven't heard any rumor about GPU can support H265, hope this can be realized in future.

The GPUs using 2nd generation Maxwell chips - GTX 960, 970, 980 and Quadro M6000 - all have H.265 support in the silicon, and since that's straight from *nVidia* I wouldn't consider that a rumor.

At this point, however, there are mixed messages regarding the notebook (GTX 9xxM) versions of these GPUs. This Wikipedia *page* shows that the GTX 965M, 970M and 980M all use the GM204 chip (2nd-gen Maxwell) so it would seem that they have the right HW for H.265.

It's also clear from that same page that the GTX 960M uses the 1st-gen Maxwell chip (GM107) so GGRussell should probably consider a notebook with a 965M or higher GPU.

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GGRussell

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Jun 18, 2015 12:25

Thanks... Have been looking at MSI laptops with i7 5700HQ and GTX970M. Little bit more than I wanted to spend at the moment but should be fast enough for some video editing.

But the older chipsets are really marked down to sell. ;

H265 isn't really that important yet. Was just thinking about future use.

Thanks for all the info. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

GGRussell

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Jun 22, 2015 00:17

Ordered the ASUS ROG G751JL-DS71 with the GTX965 GPU. Similar laptop with the GTX970 was $275US more and just didn't think it was worth the extra bucks in the long run. It has an empty drive slot for a second drive and will probably invest in 256GB SSD later.

Once I get it, I'll have to test that GPU to see if it can encode H265. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

PepsiMan

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Jun 22, 2015 00:57

I was looking at the same one on ebay for $1299 and GTX 965M supports encoding and decoding HEVC H.265.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-965M.134120.0.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-G751JL-DS71-17-3-Core-i7-4720HQ-16GB-DDR3-NVIDIA-GTX-965M-ROG-Laptop-/141624600168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f97be668

in my opinion the ASUS is better choice than the MSI. I've read that some people are(still) experiencing loud cooling fan

noises on the MSI laptops...

I'll be eagerly waiting for GGRussell's review, because I'd like to know if it'll work with PD 13's HEVC H.265 encoding...

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JL_JL

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Jun 22, 2015 18:34

Quote: I'll be eagerly waiting for GGRussell's review, because I'd like to know if it'll work with PD 13's HEVC H.265 encoding...

I'll give it to you earlier, no, H.265 HA encoding with PD13 and 965m not supported.

Jeff

PepsiMan

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Jun 22, 2015 23:08

Doh!

keep forgetting, PD will not support HA nVidia drivers after 340.43...

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tomasc

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Jun 22, 2015 23:42

GGRussell got a good deal. It's a hundred dollars less on Amazon and with free shipping. In answering a different users question on this forum, I downloaded some h.265 video for testing. I am not sure how to decode it on win 7. Used vlc and see cpu useage fluctuate between 6 to 10%(cpu) decoding the "a" video from this source: http://vcodex.blogspot.com/2013/04/comparing-hevc-and-h264-quality-using.html . I'm sure that laptop with the GTX 965 will show much less cpu utilization as my old desktop graphics card doesn't support h.265 encodes or decodes.

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GGRussell

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Jun 23, 2015 00:14

Shipped today... will do some testing out of the box as soon as I get. Yep, got it for $1199 US, no shipping. Since it doesn't have an SSD, no need to post speed, but will test to see which profiles have Fast video/Hardware encoder available. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

GGRussell

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Jun 25, 2015 10:12

Got the laptop last night. Haven't done any customizing yet. Just installed PD13 and copied a .m2ts one hour TV show.

I did copy the .dll files to enable CUDA for MP4. I have the latest nVidia driver 353. Without the .dlls, there is no HA at all.

Used the preset MP4 720p@30fps. Took 7:55
On my desktop with the HD7870, took 22:34. That's with no editing. I need to find that thread with wall_3x3 file and do some comparisons. But I think I can say the newer technology is definitely faster even for a laptop. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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JL_JL

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Jun 25, 2015 10:14

Quote: I have the latest nVidia driver 353. Without the .dlls, there is no HA at all.

More than likely because you installed a early version of PD13, base version you initially bought. Proper HA for such a card was not added until a latter PD13 release.

Jeff

GGRussell

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Jun 25, 2015 10:24

oh yeah forgot to update PD13
oops thanks

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JL_JL

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Jun 25, 2015 10:35

Quote: oh yeah forgot to update PD13
oops thanks

Obviously undo added CUDA dll's for proper updated NVENC HA encoding of that card and PD13, to do so one may have to reregister originals or a simple reinstall of 960m drivers will work as well.

Jeff

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GGRussell

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Jun 25, 2015 10:43

the laptop came with 347 and I had added the dlls manually. When I updated to 353, those dlls were removed I think, but the HA seems to still work for MP4 so far.

HEVC HA is not available for this GPU. Not a big deal for me though. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

JL_JL

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Jun 25, 2015 11:08

Quote: the laptop came with 347 and I had added the dlls manually. When I updated to 353, those dlls were removed I think, but the HA seems to still work for MP4 so far.

Yes, H.264 in a MP4 container will HA encode with 960m using current release of PD13, current Nvidia drivers, and will utilize NVENC vs CUDA encode (dll's you manually added)

Quote: HEVC HA is not available for this GPU. Not a big deal for me though.

I mentioned that earlier in the post, thanks for confirmation. Maybe see what PD14 brings to the table when released, for what I know it's not a GPU issue, but current PD13 software exposure limitation.

Jeff