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Bad Slideshow Rendering (SOLVED-Turn off Hardware Acceleration)
jcardana
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I've made a 40min long slideshow for my Grand daughter's Graduation. Towards the end, this is what I get. This is the second time.
 Filename
BadClip.mpg
[Disk]
 Description
Bad Slideshow Rendering-10sec Clip
 Filesize
11120 Kbytes
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318 time(s)

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tomasc [Avatar]
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You may want to try to produce the clip again without hardware acceleration. If that don't fix it , then uncheck all the checkbox in Preferences/Hardware Acceleration and try again.
Carl312
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Quote: I've made a 40min long slideshow for my Grand daughter's Graduation. Towards the end, this is what I get. This is the second time.
If you used Fast video Rendering in Produce, re-produce with Fast Video Rendering unchecked. Use no Hardware acceleration and see what your results are. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

jcardana
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I'll try that/those suggestions. Otherwise I'll just try splitting it in half. CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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jcardana
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It still produced the blinking, but not nearly as bad. I think what I'll do is produce each of the 11 songs in a different style and then combine them CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi Joe -

You've probably solved the blinking production issue by now. Using the HighLight SS template, I tried producing to a number of different formats (all with HA turned off) & couldn't replicate. Smooth as silk, no matter what I threw at it!

At first I thought you may have been rendering to MPEG-2 DVD HQ & that THAT might be the issue, but not so. Your attachment is 1280x720.

By the way, are you aware that the HighLight SS template will - if you feed it the right piece of music - respond to the beat?

Cheers - Tony
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JL_JL [Avatar]
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jcardana, if you don't mind, post exactly what produce format and settings you used. Your attached "BadClip" has a variable GOP structure which is known to cause flickering at times. To me it does not appear to be the basic MPEG-2 1280x720/30p standard PD profile as that produces a structured GOP, typically a M=3, N=15 which can be better for the flickering control.

Jeff
jcardana
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I normally do render in MPEG-2, 1280x720/30p (20mbps), with Fast video rendering tech... SVRT on. In Preferences, Hardware Acceleration I had Enabled OpenCL tech and Enable hardware decoding checked.

I just finished producing a 4.5min clip in MPEG-2, 1280x720/30p (20mbps) but without the previously items checked. I still got blanking/blacking... what's the technical term? Glitches? Artifacts?

Am I using the wrong video format?

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jcardana
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Loaded my project, jumped to 3:00:02, clicked play... Wow! It just crashed! CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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I'd resort to basics and see what happens,
1) In Pref > HA, nothing checked
2) In Produce "Fast video rendering technology:", nothing checked

Produce to your MPEG-2 1280x720/30p and see with MediaInfo if
Format settings, GOP : Variable
or
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15

Jeff
jcardana
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After re-creating the slideshow, I rendered in H.265 - MP-4 1280x720/30p (7 Mbps). No problems.

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JL_JL [Avatar]
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Yes H.265 very CPU intensive, more than any other format, I wouldn't use unless you understand your end needs for it. Any chance you maybe wanted H.264 instead?

Jeff
jcardana
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I have no idea want I want. I'm not familiar with those formats. Most of my video work for the chuch ends up on DVD so my standard format is MPEG-2, 1280x720/30p (20mbps). I'll try using the H.264.

When I finished making all 11 slideshows, I'm going to combine them to make a 40min slideshow to go on a DVD. So in the end, they will be MPEG-2, 1280x720/30p (20mbps) CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Following Jeff's initial point about GOP patterns, every MPEG-2 render I did showed the GOP settings as M=3, N=15. Joe's "Bad Clip" shows it as variable.

Joe - after you've unchecked the things Jeff has suggested, try producing again. There's no reason why MPEG-2 shouldn't be OK, but it might be worth trying to get a clean render using H.264 AVC M2TS

When the final DVD is burnt, it'll be MPEG-2 740x480 @ ~8MBps.

Cheers - Tony
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I guess everyone's work flow is what suites them. Me personally would never go from source video footage (whatever that is for you besides your pics) to 1280x720\30p as a intermediate "Produce" to a forced 720x480/60i when you create a Menu based DVD if you use your "Produced" files as source for your DVD. Too much format jockeying to maintain good quality for me.

Basically you're going from source (probably interlaced) to progressive to interlaced
as well as 1920x1080 video source (most likely) to 1280x720 to 720x480

I follow these basic steps:
1) Always produce to your source video footage format
2) If (1) is not possible, then produce to highest end product target you envision. So if one thinks you might make a couple of BD's as well as DVD's, then always produce to the BD spec of your desire (H.264 1920x1080/60i 24Mbps) works great for me as that's most of my source footage is as well.

If all you have is slideshows from pics and no source video footage and your final target is a menu DVD at 720x480 DVD-HQ quality then I'd produce all your 11 slide shows to MPEG-2 DVD-HQ 720x480/60i (8Mbps) as you are going to end up there anyhow. Yes, quality will suffer.

Jeff
jcardana
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Quote: Following Jeff's initial point about GOP patterns, every MPEG-2 render I did showed the GOP settings as M=3, N=15. Joe's "Bad Clip" shows it as variable.
I don't know what GOP means... I keep getting political stuff when I search. M & N... clueless.

Quote: Joe - after you've unchecked the things Jeff has suggested, try producing again. There's no reason why MPEG-2 shouldn't be OK, but it might be worth trying to get a clean render using H.264 AVC M2TS
I did, but the glitches were a tenth of what they were before. I'll try again. Maybe it was just the style?

Quote: When the final DVD is burnt, it'll be MPEG-2 740x480 @ ~8MBps.
What!? I thought DVD was 1280x720. I hate that there are so many formats. Is 1280x720 BlueRay?

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jcardana
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Quote: Basically you're going from source (probably interlaced) to progressive to interlaced
as well as 1920x1080 video source (most likely) to 1280x720 to 720x480


So I should be rendering with DVD-HQ 720x480/60i if I'm ONLY going to put the rendered video on a DVD?



From the file properties...

The source is (MPEG-TS) 1440x1080/29fps Data rate: 6000kbps Total bitrate: 6363kbps CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Oh - I was working on the basic that there was no source video. I thought it was all photos in slideshows.

Jeff's suggested workflow is best. Render everything to MPEG-2 DVD HQ because that's how it will end up on the DVD.

My thought of the intermediate step was merely to get a stable slideshow without the blinking.

Side note: Joe - whenver I burn discs (very rarely) I always produce to source quality first, whether it's 4K or Full HD because that's how I view the things myself. I then render separately for DVD/BR as the case may be.

Does the church have other playback options??? (apart from DVD)

Cheers - Tony
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jcardana
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Quote: Oh - I was working on the basic that there was no source video. I thought it was all photos in slideshows.
You are correct, my fault for changing sources.

Quote: Jeff's suggested workflow is best. Render everything to MPEG-2 DVD HQ because that's how it will end up on the DVD... Does the church have other playback options??? (apart from DVD)
Yes, I'm uploading to YouTube. Normally, when I'm editing the sermon, it's from the source and I then burn, so I'm not doing the double render then.

Quote: My thought of the intermediate step was merely to get a stable slideshow without the blinking.
Yes, and since it will end up on DVD, I will be rendering each to DVD HQ so they can be combined and burned.



Thank you for your time, I'm not having any rendering issues with all HA turned off and I'm now headed back in the right direction regarding how and when to render. CyberPowerPC | Win7HP-64 | AMD FX-8320 3.5 Ghz | 8GB Mem | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB | WEI 5.9


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Carl312
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Quote: I don't know what GOP means... I keep getting political stuff when I search. M & N... clueless.
GOP=Group Of Pictures.

It is a term used to describe how the images are assembled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_pictures

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