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Burning Bluray/AVCHD 50p H.264 problem
Klavertje [Avatar]
Member Location: Herwijnen - Holland Joined: Jun 12, 2011 10:17 Messages: 84 Offline
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Burning Bluray 50p H.264 problems


I an using PD 13 2307 with Win 8.1

When I want to burn a project to a directory as a BluRay with H.264 in a resolition of 1920x1080/50P PD13 crashes or I get the Errorcode E 80070057

When I want to burn a Bluray with Mpeg-2 in a resolution of 1920x1080/50i there is no problem.

The same problem when I want to burn an AVCHD to my Harddisk

I have re installed PD 13 version 2307 but that didnot solve the problem.

And I have upgraded to PD 13 just for the burning mode of 50P

Who have the solution for this problem?
PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera
Klavertje [Avatar]
Member Location: Herwijnen - Holland Joined: Jun 12, 2011 10:17 Messages: 84 Offline
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To be complete my question her my DXdiag
 Filename
Klavertje DxDiag.txt
[Disk]
 Description
Klavertje DxDiag
 Filesize
78 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
259 time(s)
PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Is that a standard blu ray profile or did you make a format option yourself.

In this article, I don;t see that format:;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Scroll down to "video". .
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Klavertje [Avatar]
Member Location: Herwijnen - Holland Joined: Jun 12, 2011 10:17 Messages: 84 Offline
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The format 1920x1080/50P or 1920x1080/50i is a normal format for Bluray discs.
In the USA and maybe in other countries is is 60P.

The article says so:

"High-definition video may be stored on BD-ROMs with up to 1920×1080 pixel resolution at up to 60 (59.94) fields per second. Officially, progressive scan video can go up to 1920×1080 pixel resolution at 24 frames per second, or up to 59.94 frames per second at a resolution of 1280×720 pixels.[129] [b]Many current Blu-ray players and recorders can read and write 1920×1080 video at the full 60p and 50p progressive format."

And what use is it to have a profile in PD 1920x1080 50P when you cannot use it?

And the problem occurs when I want to make an ISO on my harddisk. I don't know what happend when I want to burn to a BR direct, but I think that then the same happens: crash or errorcode.

I have tried it with one small MTS file shot in 1920x1080 50P. PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera
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Record the video and burn it in 60i. It will play in any Bluray player and on any HDTV in the world. And will have better movement fluidity.

50fps is needed only for TV studios that have licensing requirements. It is just an archaic remnant from analog TV times.

Anyway, if you still insist, see this thread that deals exactly with your problem, no need for another thread:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/100/40255.page#214033

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Klavertje [Avatar]
Member Location: Herwijnen - Holland Joined: Jun 12, 2011 10:17 Messages: 84 Offline
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The problem I have is not that I cannot or can play AVCHD or Bluray burned with PD13 with the 1920x1080/50p profile on my Bluray player/TV!

The problem is that PD 13 cannot burn a project with, for a test, one mts file shot in 1920x1080/50p with the profile 1920x1080/50P with codec H.264:
I get an error e80070057 (parameter is incorrect) after a second of 10, or PD 13 crashes after a second or 10, the progress meter standing on 3% - 4%
The same file/project I can burn on 1920x1080/50I as a disc on my hard disk. PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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If you are checking HW Acceleration then try turning that off as it is much more reliable and consistant than relying of GPU drivers. If you are still having the issue then I'm not sure as I have no issues creating 50p content as a File or as a BD or AVCHD. Can you create a 50p file OK?
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Quote: Record the video and burn it in 60i. It will play in any Bluray player and on any HDTV in the world. And will have better movement fluidity.

50fps is needed only for TV studios that have licensing requirements. It is just an archaic remnant from analog TV times.

Anyway, if you still insist, see this thread that deals exactly with your problem, no need for another thread:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/100/40255.page#214033


Hi Sonic, I have to disagree with you on this regarding 50p --> 60i (though the sentiment on old standards is correct).

The origin of the various frame rates like 50 and 60fps date back to the analogue broadcast and display equipment timing being driven by the power supply standards in each country (eg 50 or 60hz). Due to bandwidth limitations at the time the frames were then Interlaced to halve the stream size (another terrible idea in the modern age). As you mentioned in the "modern" world, we can use most any common media frame rate, be it Film (23.976/24fps), High Frame Rate Film (48fps), 50fps, 60fps, even stuff like 120fps.... as long as the player and display supports it.

The key with quality edited output is to keep the same frame rate for production as the source. As the OP's camera shoots in 50p you absolutely want to output in 50i or 50p (or a clean multiple/division). If you change the frame rate from say 50 to 60 you typically only have one of the following techniques, all of which are terrible:
- Keep all the Frames but Change the time they are displayed for (as used by Film to PAL distribution for DVD's Broadcast etc. The "PAL" versions are 4% quicker)
- Insert / Drop Frames but keep the run time the same (Telecline - will result in non smooth panning - commonly used by Film to NTSC)
- Interpolation of all the Frames (not commonly used or available in PD and results in weird artefacts)

So the key is:
1) Always edit and produce a finished file in the Same Frame rate for your archive (and hopefully playback).
2) For "distribution" you may have to change the output format to suit the end use device. Eg if the OP needed to send a DVD to the USA he will be better to send it as a NTSC DVD even though the quality is affected as the end users may not have a player or display that will play a native 50p stream

Thanks
Nathan

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PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Why is the camera shooting at 50fps? It's an personal movie, not meant for broadcast. Higher framerate means better moving scenes.
So... why 50 in this day and age?

I would even ask why 50 fps in broadcast at all.
I know that is some level of "national pride" and regulations that needed to allow for a smooth transition in years that CRT are still out there in function. And old broadcast equipment SD that needs to be used. But still...
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Edit - Couple of reasons:
1) Primary Reason is this cam shoots in 50fps (the sub model sold in PAL countries, in NTSC countries it will be 60fps)
2) Secondary Reason is that it will be the same frame rate as all the other content and equipment from the same region so will avoid any compatible issues

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PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
Richmond Dan
Senior Contributor Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 07, 2014 17:17 Messages: 673 Offline
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"So... why 50 in this day and age?"

Because Europe uses PAL, not NTSC.
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Dan
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There is no PAL anymore. Or NTSC. Those are just mental fixations from 40+ years of analog TV.
They bear no meaning in today's digital TV.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition

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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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This is all OT to the OP. Sonic why don't you start a new thread and we can continue the debate there if you like?
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
Klavertje [Avatar]
Member Location: Herwijnen - Holland Joined: Jun 12, 2011 10:17 Messages: 84 Offline
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Thanks Nathan,

I've turned off HW acceleration, and I can produce now a 50P mkv file.
Also this trick works to make 1920x1080 50p AVCHS and Bluray.

So, problem solved

About the discussion about 50p or not: Filming in 1920x1080 50P is something from the last years, you've got a better smoother picture, and I think that it is always the best to produce an AVCHD or BR in the same resolution/framerate as the original.
Also amateur filmers wants the best result that is possible.

(sorry for my poor english, but it isn't my native language)

Danny PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Good to hear! FYI - For this reason I do not recommend HW Acceleration in general as I find CLinks encoder to be of good quality and consistent as with HW acceleration it is different between GPU mfrs and even driver revisions. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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