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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
Senior Member Location: Phoenix Joined: Mar 13, 2011 11:35 Messages: 211 Offline
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I'm confused again - I understand when to use PAL or NTSC. But what is the frame rate choice of "24 FPS (film)" used for in PD? If I use 24 FPS in PD for including the 23.976 FPS .MOV film clips from my Canon camera, will it match my .MOV and eliminate the usual jerky video clips in PD? Will this allow me to produce my usual USA region DVDs that I create from the shows of still shots and video clips I create? Will those DVDs play in USA DVD players? I thought I tried this once and it would not play, so avoided it since. Perhaps I did something wrong in setting this up that one time. Bill Seifert
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Almost every movie's DVD/BD uses 24fps, so it should be working no matter your region is NTSC or PAL, but you need to make sure the frame rate setting matches your clips to avoid the jerky problem.
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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
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Thanks.

So you are saying that my 23.976 fps .MOV Canon camera video clip will match my project's frame rate if I chose 24 FPS (film) in PD? And I can burn it onto a DVD HQ with PD's Create Disk function, and it will play on most any DVD player in the USA?

I had switched the project from 30 FPS NTSC to 24 FPS film and saw no difference in the jerky problem during Preview Play in PD - I know it is from the frame mismatch because of the steady, regular jerk every split second.

I just wondered what else I may be doing wrong.

Bill Bill Seifert
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Quote: Thanks.
So you are saying that my 23.976 fps .MOV Canon camera video clip will match my project's frame rate if I chose 24 FPS (film) in PD? And I can burn it onto a DVD HQ with PD's Create Disk function, and it will play on most any DVD player in the USA?


Correct

For the playback issue, what's the preview resolution do you use? According to your platform info, I suggest to use "High Preview Resolution".
I have to say Apple does not care the QuickTime PC version very much, they don't even provide 64bit version! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Have you tried to also create a DVD folder and then burn your disk with another software like ImgBurn? Mike B.
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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
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No, I have not tried ImgBurn as PD always has done well for me. But the issue starts with preview playback and I notice that it continues in to the DVD burn.

As for High Preview resolution, I have to Render Preview in many places as the PC slows, comes to a stop, skips to the end, etc. I've been going round and round with tech support and it's beginning to look like the CPU is not keeping up with the needs as it plays the preview. Yet the burn is perfect, except for the video clips that I mentioned. Bill Seifert
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Richmond Dan
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You're way ahead of me technically, but if you're looking for 23.976 fps instead of 24 fps, you need to go into "Preferences" (which is the gear icon at the top), then "General". Then select 24 fps and "dropframe -yes". This will give 23.976 vs. 24. Regards,
Dan
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Quote: Almost every movie's DVD/BD uses 24fps, so it should be working no matter your region is NTSC or PAL, but you need to make sure the frame rate setting matches your clips to avoid the jerky problem.

I'm not so sure that's correct. Isn't the standard for DVD a frame rate of 60i? An exception might be 60p on some players, but PD is always 60i in the create disc. Please forgive me if that is wrong. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
Senior Member Location: Phoenix Joined: Mar 13, 2011 11:35 Messages: 211 Offline
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OK. So back to my problem. I have a PD show with a combination of still shots and .MOV video clips at 23.976 fps. What can I do in PD13 to smooth out the .MOV clips in the preview and burn to DVD of my project? Buy a new camera and throw out all the hours of precious video I've captured?

It's currently set at NTCS 30 with drop frame.

Bill Bill Seifert
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http://www.videohelp.com/dvd
29.97 fps is the NTSC DVD standard.
23.976 fps can be used also with with 3:2 pulldown flag = 29.97 playback fps (NTSC Film, this is only supported by MPEG2 video). True 24fps is only when you have a proper film displayed (cinema). All electronic recordings of film will be 23.976.

Set your project at 23.976.

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BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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I suggest lower the preview quality to ease computer strain.
For DVD, build/edit your video, no matter the camera, then produce your project to mpeg2. PowerDirector will compensate for missing frames. Then you can start a new project with that new file, burn to disc at a slow speed.
If the project is for YouTube or other stream, then choose wmv or mp4, your frame rate is available.
Please use RW DVDs to save money from ruined discs until you get it acceptable.

My "60i" frame rate is 29.97, but interlaced.
I think SoNic means set your project timeline view to 23.976, but the deeperer into the tech stuff I go, the deeperer into trouble I be.

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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
Senior Member Location: Phoenix Joined: Mar 13, 2011 11:35 Messages: 211 Offline
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Thanks for all your efforts. But are we speaking the same language? I see that I only have 5 choices for my projects in PD13:

PAL 25
PAL 50
24 FPS film
NTSC 30
NTSC 60

Which one gives me a project that matches the frame rate of 23.976 fps in the .MOV video from my Canon camera to smooth out the video preview and burn? Bill Seifert
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Quote: I'm not so sure that's correct. Isn't the standard for DVD a frame rate of 60i? An exception might be 60p on some players, but PD is always 60i in the create disc. Please forgive me if that is wrong.


Barry is right, DVD video has 29.97 and 25FPS only, BD has 24FPS

Quote: Which one gives me a project that matches the frame rate of 23.976 fps in the .MOV video from my Canon camera to smooth out the video preview and burn?


You should set 24FPS.

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No, there are many DVD that store the content at 24 FILM. Output DVD player will be always at 60i or 30p.
Quote: I see that I only have 5 choices for my projects in PD13:
PAL 25
PAL 50
24 FPS film
NTSC 30
NTSC 60

Use 24 FPS Film with "Drop Frame" enabled.

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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
Senior Member Location: Phoenix Joined: Mar 13, 2011 11:35 Messages: 211 Offline
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OK, but my "drop frame" is grayed out when I select 24 FPS, so that won't work for me. Why? Bill Seifert
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Richmond Dan
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Oops, so is mine. Sorry I mislead you...I just assumed drop frame was an option for all frame rates. Regards,
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Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
Senior Member Location: Phoenix Joined: Mar 13, 2011 11:35 Messages: 211 Offline
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Well, thanks to ALL your comments, I have made progress. I converted to 24 FPS film and have also gone back to shadow file use. It does seem to help in editing and makes the "Render Preview" much faster. The produced DVD now does NOT have the jerky play due to frame mismatch.

But now I notice that my like 100 transitions have to be replaced in this project because there is a sudden sharp end to each transition, making the transition irritatingly abrupt. This was just an 8-minute production. I have 90 more minutes of this show comprised of 6 DVDs which were all ready to burn except for now having to replace like nearly 1000 transitions. But at least now, FINALLY, the jerky video is gone. I have like 100 prior DVD shows with this problem in it. Sigh. Bill Seifert
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borgus1 [Avatar]
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Yes, "drop frame" would apply only to NTSC, not PAL, to keep the production in sync with clock time. (Frames are dropped at predefined points.)

If your transitions are all the same, place the desired transition in the FAVORITES transition folder, then apply it to all by clicking the dotted block on the toolbar. A menu of choices will drop down. At least that's how it is in PD11; 13 may be slightly different.
Watercolorwilly [Avatar]
Senior Member Location: Phoenix Joined: Mar 13, 2011 11:35 Messages: 211 Offline
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Thanks. Good suggestion. But not good for me. I have many individually adjusted transitions where this will not work. On a previous product, that software allowed to select a series of transitions and change them to the identical parameters, leaving the others alone. That would work for me. Alas, not in PD.

Bill Bill Seifert
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I assumed that your location is in Phoenix, AZ. So NTSC would be the assumption to go for.
If you make DVD's in PAL and view on a NTSC TV from a DVD-player that will output NTSC video from PAL disc, you will definitely get jerkiness...
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