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PowerDirector12 is extremely SLOW
stellar [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Toronto, Canada Joined: Dec 15, 2013 15:04 Messages: 5 Offline
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I think the way PowerDirector operates needs fundamentally rethought. I'm using the latest version, 12.0.2230.0. I don't believe the extreme sluggishness I've seen in your program is due to my computer (AMD Phenom II 1055T processor with six cores, plenty powerful), or video chip (ATI Radion HD 4290), also close to state-of-the-art. I'm running XP, with all updates. It's a fast machine with 4GB RAM.

Import video file into library: fast, as it should be, roughly a second; no complaint. Detect scenes: PowerDirector takes its sweet time, but it does a very good job of that. No complaint.

But beyond that...after scene detection....once one clicks on OK...to me everything seems frightfully DUMB. It takes SEVERAL MINUTES to import the detected scenes into the library. I can see from Task Manager: PD12 starts moving massive chunks of data, hundreds of millions if not billions of bytes...instead of simply moving/manipulating pointers to data locations and the icons that represent the first frame of each of the detected scene. It should NOT be moving anything but a tiny amount of data to the library, in moving scenes there. There is absolutely NO REASON for it to start moving massive chunks of data at that point!

It should be working ONLY with pointers to data locations! So it should be done that simple task of letting me see the scenes in the library, in only about ONE SECOND. Instead of taking a truly ponderous several MINUTES. It should do it as fast as Windows allows one to move icons from one folder to another, on the same drive. That's generally very quick.

Moving the scenes from the library to the storyboard: again it does DUMB; again it apparently starts moving MASSIVE CHUNKS OF DATA. (For a second time.) There is again NO REASON for it to be doing that. Again it should be moving only pointers to data and small images representing scenes. That would be the fast, smart way.

But the ultimate in stupid is when it FINALLY has all the scenes in the storyboard, and I select an output format. Just clicking on one of those format buttons - without asking to produce anything! - results in more BUSY BUSY BUSY, for several MINUTES, with program seeming to be LOCKED UP. I'm not asking it to produce anything yet! I just want to see the output file size. I don't get a chance to select another format button or do anything, then. It's locked up.

So I'm finding using PowerDirector to be very time-consuming and very frustrating. I'm a programmer with long experience. So I can sense the dumb methods being used. Nothing slick about the methods used. Otherwise, the most simple operations would happen fast, instead of taking a discouraging many minutes.

If I was writing a program like yours, I'd move and manipulate only POINTERS to the data, and visual representions of them, not the actual data itself. Pointers to either locations within the source file, or to some derived form of it. That's the elegant, fast way. Blink your eyes and it's done. CyberLink's way of doing things, it's more go for a walk and maybe it'll be done when you get back.

I'm not doing anything fancy. I'm using only the most basic functions: selecting scenes. Wanting to lose a few, then produce a file with those scenes at the beginning and end gone. No magic or fancy anything. I'm finding that instead of taking only five minutes, after scene detection, as it should take, editing is taking a whopping long time (like OVER AN HOUR). (That's assuming it hasn't crashed. I've seen it crash several times, too).

I don't believe there is any valid reason for the extreme sluggishness, other than poor methods used. So please re-think your methods, and offer a video editor that is much faster in terms of setting up to Produce. Start using POINTERS to the data, instead of the data itself! Pointers can be manipulated in less than the blink of an eye. Then moving scenes from one place to another within the program would be fast, instead of outrageously slow.
BarryTheCrab
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stellar,
welcome to the forum.
I appreciate your history as a programmer, but I'm a bit surprised your first post here is so full of confidence that you have offered up a fix for the dumb methods being used.
Although it's probably pointless, as you have indicated nothing less than a total re-design is required, perhaps you might be so kind as to read the stickies at the top of the forum and provide a dxdiag, and some other info, that may or may not indicate some weakness in your system, and the volunteer members here might help improve your experience. All snarkiness aside, we have some smart folks here. Dumb or not, the ball is in your court.
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stellar [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Toronto, Canada Joined: Dec 15, 2013 15:04 Messages: 5 Offline
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Snarkiness? I've offered an honest report on what I've seen. Task Manager says that simply trying to get scenes moved from one place to another, within the program - a very simple task, one would think! - it's eating up fully 16% of a six core processor, and program gets real busy reading AT LEAST A BILLION BYTES! Are you suggesting that the XP Task Manager is lying?

Because it would have to lie to me, for me to be NOT correct. You want it to be my problem. It isn't. The program gets busy - for a long time - reading ALL KINDS of data, to do one simple task. Evidently you don't want to hear criticism. Perfect program, as it is? Not so!

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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: it's eating up fully 16% of a six core processor, and program gets real busy reading AT LEAST A BILLION BYTES! Are you suggesting that the XP Task Manager is lying?


From what you describe, it sounds like you have shadow file ticked in preference, Go to preference > General tab and untick the enable HD video processing. That should stop the reading of a billion bytes to create lower resolution files for editing which also can create other initial slowness. If your system is capable, you don't need the shadow files. The shadow file creation takes a steady 15% of the CPU until done. If your videos in the library have little orange (in process) or green(complete) movie strips in the lower left corner that's what it's doing.

Jeff

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BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Perfect, absolutely not.
Nor am I saying you, or task manager is incorrect. And I was referring to MY snarkiness.
Without more information, even perhaps a sample of the video you are having issues with, exactly how can we assist you?
"So please re-think your methods", I will say again, we are volunteers, fellow video/photo crazies, we are NOT Cyberlink.
On occasion, a Cyberlink employee may, possibly, drift in and add something.
So, do you have a question we might answer/assist with?

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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi Stellar,
You mentioned you have 4Gb ram, then all your CPU power isn't a help, video editors use cache file (especially for effects etc. and you don't have enough ram in my opinion video editing requires minimum of 6GB judy for badic editing.
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stellar [Avatar]
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Okay, two solutions offered. I will prudently untick the "MAKE YOUR DAY A PROBLEM" box. (Maybe what it ought to be called. Or something like IF YOU WANT THIS PROGRAM TO RUN LIKE A SNAIL...check this box.) : And...install more memory!! Thank you for the suggestions, gentlemen.

I am ticked today - a bit grouchy - because Peter O'Toole died yesterday and he never won an Oscar, despite eight nominations. So....it's been a 'grrrr' kinda day, just to explain my mood. He was a brilliant actor. Academy ought to be ashamed. Maybe what's been offered here will cure my headache. Thank you!

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JL_JL [Avatar]
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Quote: I'm running XP, with all updates


My guess it's highly unlikely you are running 64-bit XP, if you have 32-bit XP don't waste any money or time adding more than your current 4GB RAM as it's not supported by the OS.

Jeff
stellar [Avatar]
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Does anyone know if there's a noticeable difference in PowerDirector performance under 64-bit XP, compared to 32-bit? If so, I'd be happy to spring for the 64-bit version (if it's still available). Presumably that would enable me to increase RAM. I shell out to Microsoft as little as possible. Scrooge at Christmas isn't as bad, as I am, toward Bill Gates' company. Only if I absolutely need to. If I could, I'd pay them in counterfeit currency, or Monopoly money. But..seems like a shell out to them is becoming a necessity. Ow!
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stellar,

FYI - unless you have an quad core or more PC, over 6 GB memory, and a fast graphics card (GPU) with lots of memory and Win 7 you WILL get slow performance. Even on well equipped PC's video editing is a long slow process as there's lots of number crunching going on, which you should appreciate if you've done any type of analytical software apps.

And yes, O'toole was a unique actor. Sad to see him go, but we all must eventually.

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Win 10, i7
stellar [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Toronto, Canada Joined: Dec 15, 2013 15:04 Messages: 5 Offline
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Thanks, HDedit. Computer-wise I've dealt with lots of things, but not video, so my knowledge in that area is admittedly limited. Six 64-bit cores I have; bigger memory I need; and better OS, too. Thank you, everyone, for tips! Much appreciated.
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Quote: Does anyone know if there's a noticeable difference in PowerDirector performance under 64-bit XP, compared to 32-bit? If so, I'd be happy to spring for the 64-bit version (if it's still available). Presumably that would enable me to increase RAM. I shell out to Microsoft as little as possible. Scrooge at Christmas isn't as bad, as I am, toward Bill Gates' company. Only if I absolutely need to. If I could, I'd pay them in counterfeit currency, or Monopoly money. But..seems like a shell out to them is becoming a necessity. Ow!


A little bit outdated but here are some top level observations based on actual testing that may help you. It was from the PD9 days.

After you unticked the shadow files see how your system performs with the timeline complexity you plan to edit with. I'd also manually delete what it created just to not cause any potential issues, also found in preferences. Maybe it's good enough for you, it surely won't be bleeding edge but I don't know what the complexity of your timeline is so hard to judge. If just dropping in some clips, adding a few transitions, a cuts here and there, you may find it acceptable.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15/14677.page#70685

Jeff
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Newbie Location: Poughkeepsie, ny, usa Joined: Nov 26, 2013 16:36 Messages: 3 Offline
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I don't have the time to read through all these forums, if there is a setting i need to do someone please say so. I am running a 64 bit windows system with 16 GB ram & 8 core AMD 8350fx processor & the program only uses 15% of memory and is still slow.
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Quote: I don't have the time to read through all these forums, if there is a setting i need to do someone please say so. I am running a 64 bit windows system with 16 GB ram & 8 core AMD 8350fx processor & the program only uses 15% of memory and is still slow.


Daniel, Please start your own thread and give us all the information about your computer and video files. This is a great outline of what we could use to help you.

Read and do this: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/7958.page .
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videomaker 10
Newbie Location: eua/brazil Joined: Dec 02, 2013 14:51 Messages: 37 Offline
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I also use a quad core amd cpu with 16gb ram and gpu nvidia gtx 650 ti, surgiro format and install win7 64bit on your machine, it works best on systems pdr12 64bits.Outra hint and see if the CPU temperature is increasing too when editing in pdr if surgiro subistituir the cpu cooler for amd processors warm enough to wear heavy tasks, in my use of a cooler master cooler t4 set my cpu very cold even with pessados ​​apps!

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This thread is wandering from assisting the OP and members who responded have been thanked by the OP.

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