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PowerDirector de-interlace at Produce always, even when asked profile is interlaced
Hatti
Contributor Location: Bonn, Germany Joined: Feb 21, 2017 15:54 Messages: 576 Offline
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I made a test with a clip from my Pana HC-V160 in 1920x1080@25i.

Loaded in PD16.
Producing at MPEG2, 1920x1080@50i -> visually interlaced. Mediainfo says: interlaced

Making some editing, I did a stabilazation with standard values.

Producing at MPEG2, 1920x1080@50i -> visually not interlaced. Medainfo says: interlaced

It's correct, I produced it interlaced and it shows it. But what benefit do I have with interlaced material (If I need it, because of my hardware), if both of the half-pictures are completely the same?

Hatti Win 10 64, i7-4790k, 32GB Ram, 256 GB SSD, SATA 2TB, SATA 4TB, NVidia GTX1080 8GB, LG 34" 4K Wide, AOC 24" 1080
PepsiMan
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Quote ... The pics shows only info from MediaInfo, the meta data of the files. I have no problems with the meta data of my result files, they shows also the expected parameters (interlaced, top field first, etc...). As already explained the problem is the content, not the header of the video file.


you're reading between the lines again. i've informed you that i can not upload an instructional video that is 20MB to this forum because it cuts off. i tried for two days.

since you know how to create custom profiles, create NTSC profiles and do the tests yourself, then you'll agree with my posts! period. my findings and previous quotes...

' while CL is looking into the matter, your best bet is 25i, 29.97i, 30i & (maybe 60i). as you can see in the pics PD16 produced 60i to 29.97i... '

' i have PD10, 12 & 14 and they do produce 50i interlaced .m2ts with custom profiles.'

if i remember correctly custom profiles in PD16 60i produced progressive but default 60i produced 29.97i interlaced.

Roland come out of the dark lossless AVI to the light lossy Progressive. 1080p30 at 40Mb/sec video bitrate is awesome! as you know your ax-53 is capable of recording at xavc-s 50Mb/sec bitrate, use that for your memories...

me, i take my 4K at 125Mb/sec bitrate and downscaled 1080 & 720p is awesome. worry about the file sizes. today's external hard drive is cheap compare to what it cost few years ago. 100 euro for WD My Book 4TB?!

good luck. don't forget to file a bug report, if you haven't done so already... ^^


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PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

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'no bridge too far'

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Roland vl [Avatar]
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Producing at MPEG2, 1920x1080@50i -> visually not interlaced. Medainfo says: interlaced

It's correct, I produced it interlaced and it shows it. But what benefit do I have with interlaced material (If I need it, because of my hardware), if both of the half-pictures are completely the same?

Hatti


Are you saying: visually not interlaced, Mediainfo says: interlaced. You do not find any combing then? That 's the same finding of me.

"half pictures are completely the same". Sometimes this is not the case. Fast moving objects, fast panning, high contrast, bright scene, short shutterspeed, .... this all can make the video not so smooth and stuttering. If you deinterlace you trown away the movement information. Therefore if my raw clip coming from the camcorder is interlaced, I want to maintain this interlacing till the TV-set.

The problem is not the future, but the past (now you have 50p). I have an achive of about 15000 dv-avi-clips (interlaced 720/576Pal). I want keep this interlacing.

Anyway thanks for your information and testing.
Roland vl [Avatar]
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I have got information from Cyberlink Help, they wrote this (extract):

"...We understand that you are concerned that the video doesn't have obvious interlace when playing the video. It is because PowerDirector would enhance the video quality when producing a video to remove the "combing" interlace. There is no settings to disable the auto-enhancement.
You are suggested to use custom profile to create a custom profile and disable the option "De-blocking" in the profile. Use the custom profile to produce a video. The produced video quality would be similar to the original quality..."

Conclusion: This is now clear for me: the result is always progressive, even if the profile asked is interlaced: thus progressive in an interlaced container. "De-blocking" changes nothing to this.

Quote Update. .... I asked support for help. I ‘ll report back of the result of this.



Just to add: this forum is slow

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PepsiMan
Senior Contributor Location: Clarksville, TN Joined: Dec 29, 2010 01:20 Messages: 1054 Offline
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Quote ... Just to add: this forum is slow


you think???

if you want to keep your oldies but goodies, then my bottom line suggestion is get a copy of PD 10Ultra or 12/14 Ultimate. they'll produce end product that you want so bad or go 25i, 29.97i or 30i with PD16 that you have... ^^

grüß Gott


happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan
'garbage in garbage out' 'no bridge too far'

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Roland vl [Avatar]
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Quote if you want to keep your oldies but goodies, ....


What I want to say: this is not so 'oldie'. The majority of HD television broadcast in Europe & Afica is interlaced (today). The delivery requirements are 1080i. This is not a matter on which you can negotiate, it is a requirement. See for example the requirements for HD commercial clips at BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/tv/production/articles/publicity#clips.
PepsiMan
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don't worry about that! submit in 4K or even 8K and let them worry about downscaling video resolutions for broadcast... ^^



merry christmas Roland.

grüß Gott
happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan
'garbage in garbage out' 'no bridge too far'

Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
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Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1
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