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Does it have HA active on any resolutions? In my experience, for h264, HA works only up to 1920x1080.
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Currently there is no VGA can accelerate H.265 encode.
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Eugen157
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Thank you Nina, Tony , Nathan for your inputs.

Tony, I found that the rendering times of your PC2 are in line with what I am getting, my worries about a computer problem turned out to be groundless. Big relief!

Do you find any significant difference in the PQ between quality and speed? I really did not but there must be.

Did you get a AX-100 ?

So far I found that the quality of HEVC 265 is outstanding, even in the "fast" mode. Only problem is the time it takes but then PQ comes first.

Will take some time before affordable GPU support comes along.

As mentioned in an other post I will transcode our 90 min China trip when we go on our next cruise, expect the rendering to take 3 to 4 days.
A big pay raise to the person that put the "turn off computer when finished' button in the program!!

Eugene

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It just needs some willingness to include some of the existing OpenCL code in the PD:

http://www.multicorewareinc.com/video.html

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Interesting find SoNic67,

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I found that the rendering times of your PC2 are in line with what I am getting

Same i7-920 processor?

Do you find any significant difference in the PQ between quality and speed? I really did not but there must be.

Producing using "Quality" mode, in this case, had an impact on how smoothly the video played back - both on the PC & TV through the built in media player. In fact, there were small sections of the HEVC file produced in speed mode that were unwatchable. In PD's preview they looked OK, but outside PD (in MPC-HC) there was some juddering. I also produced a 30MBps HEVC version (50% of original VBR) which had green blotches produced in "Speed" mode, but not in "Quality". I can't explain that - just what happened.

Did you get a AX-100?

I wish! The closest I got was picking it up in the shop. It certainly has a lot going for it!
No - for that render times test I used a downloaded clip I found at http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=901826
- https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4okF1D_ux5cG9fU0Q5UDBWZmM/edit

Cheers - Tony

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Yes Tony,

it is the same i7 920 at 2.67Ghz, 12GB

I am very impressed with the HEVC encoder, tried 20 Mb and there are some problems involving motion but the casual viewer would not have noticed.

At 34 Mb, in the fast mode I do not see any problems. Will try some frame grabs and compare them with 34Mb in Q mode.

The test video is boats in a harbor with lots of rippled water. Will change to something different, while rippled water needs lots of bits it is also not well defined for observation.

But I am sure that using 264 with a similar percent bit rate reduction would have produced far more severe artifacts.

I too use the MPC-HC w/o any HA.
CPU load with pb is 40% GPU 60%. GT640

Same video Playing XAVC-S 60Mb, the CPU and GPU numbers are very close.

So basically I cannot reproduce the severity of encoding problems you have. I checked the encoded material with Mediainfo and the parameters are looking correct.

I too tried 30Mb and defects were not obvious, at 20Mb it was still watchable with defects my wife did not notice.

Will keep at it.

Best Regards

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Quote: I too use the MPC-HC w/o any HA.
CPU load with pb is 40% GPU 60%. GT640

If the GPU is at 60%, then you are using HA in MPC-HC. Probably DXVA is shown in left side of the bar, where it says "Playing"?

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SONIC67

Enclosed are pictures of the GPU and MPC settings. There is no HA enabled in the player, if I do it starts stuttering.

The GPU is actually 60% after a minute of playing

Gene

Edit: The percentage use of the GPU changes and appears not related to pic content. range is from 20 to 60%





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That's so weird. I will test it at home, I just need to download some h265 content. The support for 4K in CUDA is "experimental".

LE: I did found this in the release notes:
Improved HEVC decoding: software decoding should be up to twice faster and hardware accelerated decoding is now available (but still experimental so disabled by default)

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OK, the h265 1080p and 4k results are in. Samples from here: http://www.elecard.com/en/download/videos.html
My system cannot play cursively the 4k...

1080p h265 - plays fine. GPU is used at some degree, even if the indicator is "off". Probably is just a bug in programming.


4k h265 - stutters. GPU load goes somewhat higher, but I think the CPU cannot fill the queue fast enough.
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Eugen157
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Sonic67, thank you for the effort. Looks like it is the same situation here. And independent of the player being used.

In a month or so I will have a 4K TV and I want to use the HDMI 1.4 connection to feed 4K video from the PC to the TV.

According to the specs it should be possible, might even be less of a load since the output need not be converted to HD as is the case now.

I wonder if that conversion is the GPU load we see ?

What kind of a computer/CPU do you have.


Thanks

Eugene

PS What is the secret of posting pictures, sure gets the point across fast. Has to be posted to a website first?

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What I see as GPU usage it might be scaling from 4K to my PC display resolution (1680x1050). Cannot check native, because I don't have a 3840x2160 display (4k).

As for pictures, right click on your attachment, hit properties and copy the string. Edit your post and include img tags around the "paste".

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Sonic67

As for pictures, right click on your attachment, hit properties and copy the string. Edit your post and include img tags around the "paste".

What attachment?? The picture in the computer? There is no string.

Unfortunately I cannot find any instructions on this site either.

Sorry being so ignorant.

Eugene

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Hi Gene -

This should help with embedding images in the forum pages - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/24696.page#146280

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Thank you Tony!!






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That's a strange graph. You have periods of high GPU load (it seems 60%), but with low core frequency followed by 20% usage with high core frequency.
It seems that you have some power saving or thermal management issues with that card. When temperature kicks in slightly over 120F, it throttles down the GPU core frequency.
More about your card (or a similar one) decoding here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5969/zotac-geforce-gt-640-review-/4
See their GPU-Z graphs for h264 decoding.

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No idea what is going on, but I get smooth playback at 4K HEVC and it is independent of player. No HA.

MPC-HC, GOM and POT, per Tonys list.

Eugene

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Quote: No idea what is going on, but I get smooth playback at 4K HEVC and it is independent of player. No HA.


From my low-tech perspective, I'd say if you're getting smooth playback, it doesn't matter whether you know what's going on

Here, 4K HEVCs produced in PDR13 play back smoothly on both PCs (except occasional ones produced in speed mode). I've attached the performance graphs but they mean little to me except one PC's working harder than the other.

Cheers - Tony
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I plan on using H265 when YouTube supports it Main Machine: Jetway NF9G-QM77, Intel i7-3610QM, Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 3GB, 128gb SSD, Windows 10 Pro
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I hate your i7's . My Xeon has a PassMark score of 4260, the i7-920 has 5007. The i7-3930K is a different animal - it scores 12100.

I guess I need to score an i7 on eBay. With motherboard and DDR3 memory

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