Hi bankroot,

60 p is used in the USA for example, 50 p in Europe.
50p will be the european standard for many TV-stations (Pal)
and in the USA they use NTSC = 60p
SO Pal = 50p, NTSC = 60p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate)

In PD9 there was an option for 50p (and 50I), but Cyberlink has that changed in PD10 (No option more for 50p)
In PD9 there was in quality no difference between 50p or 50i...I have tested that.

I go looking for the Quich Sync technology (Quick). Thanks for the tip. PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Complete misunderstanding

There is no relation between coding speed (in Mb/s) and sdcanning frequency.

See the edit two posts above

I read it again and again ....
As I said before there is no relation between both values.

Tell me, what is the coding speed in YOUR camera in 50i mode and 50p mode ?

bankroot, the message was for Klavertje. He is looking to render his clips 50p. I simply pointed out where to find the profile in PD10

OK. It is clear now.

Hi Bankroot and Theshadowsback

Nice discusion,

But there is no 50p profile in PD 10 (There was in PD9)
To be complete here the mediainfo from one of my videofiles, out off the camera to the Harddisk.

Algemeen
ID : 1 (0x1)
Volledige naam : G:\Cyberlink Powerdirector\Import\Vakantie Jordanië\01\01-00143.MTS
Formaat : BDAV
Formaat/Info : Blu-ray Video
Bestandsgrootte : 139 MiB
Duur : 47s 479ms
Totale bitratemodus : Variabel
Totale bitrate : 24,6 Mbps
Maximale Totale bitrate : 28,0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu-ID : 1 (0x1)
Formaat : AVC
Formaat/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Formaatprofiel : High@L4.2
Formaatinstellingen, CABAC : Ja
Formaatinstellingen, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format_Settings_GOP : M=3, N=24
Codec-ID : 27
Duur : 47s 0ms
Bitrate-modus : Variabel
Bitrate : 23,2 Mbps
Maximale bitrate : 26,0 Mbps
Breedte : 1 920 pixels
Hoogte : 1 080 pixels
Beeldverhouding : 16:9
Framerate : 50,000 fps
ColorSpace : YUV
ChromaSubsampling : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String : 8 bits
Scansoort : Progressief
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.224
Stroomgrootte : 130 MiB (93%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu-ID : 1 (0x1)
Formaat : AC-3
Formaat/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension : CM (complete main)
Formaatinstellingen, Endianness : Big
Codec-ID : 129
Duur : 47s 72ms
Bitrate-modus : Constant
Bitrate : 384 Kbps
Kanaal(en) : 6 kanalen
Kanaalposities : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Samplerate : 48,0 KHz
BitDepth/String : 16 bits
Video vertraging : -40ms
Stroomgrootte : 2,15 MiB (2%)



PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Dear Klavertje

As Theshadowsback said there IS 1920/1080 50p profile in PD10 (last choice in AVC profile list),
Check it again

PS. I have been to Jordan in 2009. Your movie is fantastic I suppouse

Hi bankroot,

Yes, Jordan is an fantastic country, and i have made w wonderful movie about it. I film only with tripod or stabilizer, so the picture is very steady. I am not a family film maker, but is is more a document of our trip to Jordan.

If Theshadowsback said there is.....but not i the PD version I am using

I have made a printscreen of Bluray menu and AVC menu...and NO, I cannot find here 1900x1080 50P.
I am sorry.

PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

The option is definitely available in the PD10 ULTRA version. Is it possible that Klavertje is using the Delux version?

We will get there!!!!

Robert

Just seen your menu AVC Jpeg. Where the 1440 x 1080 50p is. Scroll down there is one more option below

Quote: Scroll down there is one more option below

... and you will be able to see that SVRT is IMPOSSIBLE to use in this option

Have a good rendering ...(a beer for Theshadowsback)

Robert,

You are so right......Sorry
Indeed, one scroll down.....and there it is....1900x1080 50P

OK, it is there.

So I can make a test with this setting....and then I need to use another program (AVCHDCoder) to convert the M2TS file to a Bluray. (AVCHDCoder is a very nice freeware program to make AVCHD and BR), because not all the people who want to see the movie own an mediaplayer.

If I understand you correct means that PD don't have to render the original m2ts files?

In pd 9 I had made the test with 50p or 50I making an AVCHD, and 50p was a little bit better in quality then 50i

I let you know....but will this solve the problem with the "split second freeze" after the fade transition....see the start of this thread.
PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Klavertje, So glad you found it. Let's hope it does the job.

Does your media player not play M2TS files without conversion?

Robert

Hi,

I have tested different settings and played them with the mediaplayer on my plasma tv.
And the results are:

Best quality:
1. 1920x1080/50i without Hardware Encoding and SVRT
2. 1920 x1080/50i with HE
3. 1920 x 1080/50p with SVRT
4. 1920 x 1080/50p with HR
5. 1920 x 1080/50p without HE and SVRT. (very poor)

For the record, none off them plays the fade transitions without freeze!

But I hade never run a test with the different settings in PD for producing a film, because I make only AVCHD or BR discs (to play standalone or on the mediaplayer.)
And here is the result that the best quality is 50i without hardware encoding! PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Robert,

The mediaplayer plays the mt2s files without conversion, but not everyone has a mediaplayer to view the film.
And the menu is gone when I produce a M2TS file.
PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Klavertje

Can you explain what menu is "gone" when you produce M2TS files.

Robert

Robert,

I am sorry but I was wrong.
I mean the menu I have made in PD, but it is still there wen I am produce a m2TS file PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Quote:
Best quality:
1. 1920x1080/50i without Hardware Encoding and SVRT
2. 1920 x1080/50i with HE
3. 1920 x 1080/50p with SVRT
4. 1920 x 1080/50p with HR
5. 1920 x 1080/50p without HE and SVRT. (very poor)

How do you "measure" quality ? What is the difference between 1 and 2 (as for quality) ?

Quote:
For the record, none off them plays the fade transitions without freeze!

I told you, that in my opinion it does not matter what kind of rendering you'll use. It is bug
My solution is to use keyframing of the neighbor clips.

Quote:
And here is the result that the best quality is 50i without hardware encoding!

Unexpectable conclusion

Tell me what is your plasma model (manufacturer and product number) ?
Do you use an amplifier between source and TV screen ?

Let's try another test:

render any clip with 1920/1080 50p AVCHD option and look at the mediainfo information about it.
Find any difference.

The plasma is a LG 60PZ950
Yes, there is a receiver Yamaha RX v 767 between the Plasma and the mediaplayer/br player

The quality measure is only by viewing. The difference between 1 and 2, is that 2 is a little bit more blurry, a little bit more snowy, and it runs not that smoothly as number one

The setting AVCHD 1920 1080/ 50 is not in the list, only AVC 1920 1080/50p 28 Mbps
PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

Hmmm....

Your amplituner has excellent deinterlacer, so this is why you cannot see any degradation if you run interlaced source material.

In my opinion something is wrong.
Look very carrefuly to your Yamaha manual and check is your video setting proper or not for progressive source.
Anyway because you have display fully accepted progressive material and amplifier which can be "transparent" for this type of signal, I cannot imagine the situation, when interlaced video looks better than progressive

As for rendering: I said not to clearly (my fault), of course I thought AVC 1920 1080/50p 28 Mbps.
Find out how/what this rendering will change your source file (especially video part) - use Mediainfo as previously did.

Hi,

here is the mediainfo from the last test

Algemeen
ID : 0 (0x0)
Volledige naam : G:\Cyberlink Powerdirector\Export\Produce_1.m2ts
Formaat : MPEG-TS
Bestandsgrootte : 304 MiB
Duur : 1mn 37s
Totale bitrate : 26,2 Mbps
Maximale Totale bitrate : 40,0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu-ID : 1 (0x1)
Formaat : AVC
Formaat/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Formaatprofiel : High@L4.2
Formaatinstellingen, CABAC : Ja
Formaatinstellingen, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format_Settings_GOP : M=3, N=24
Codec-ID : 27
Duur : 1mn 37s
Bitrate : 24,7 Mbps
Breedte : 1 920 pixels
Hoogte : 1 080 pixels
Beeldverhouding : 16:9
Framerate : 50,000 fps
ColorSpace : YUV
ChromaSubsampling : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String : 8 bits
Scansoort : Progressief
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.238
Stroomgrootte : 287 MiB (94%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu-ID : 1 (0x1)
Formaat : AC-3
Formaat/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension : CM (complete main)
Formaatinstellingen, Endianness : Big
Codec-ID : 129
Duur : 1mn 37s
Bitrate-modus : Constant
Bitrate : 256 Kbps
Kanaal(en) : 2 kanalen
Kanaalposities : Front: L R
Samplerate : 48,0 KHz
BitDepth/String : 16 bits
Video vertraging : -31ms
Stroomgrootte : 2,98 MiB (1%)

The settings on the yamaha are for HDMI "through", so nothing chanced by the Yamaha, except Upscaling of course, but that is no issue here.
There is for HDMI no setting for progressive material, not with the HDMI connection.

I went to my neighbor and he has a Panasoninc LCD and a Panasonic Bluray player. With the files on a stick we have checked here how it looked.....and suprise.......the same results as with my set.
And here no fancy receiver, no fancy settings.
And in the past I have passed a avchd to a friend of my, wilth a Panasonic Plasma and a Panasonic BR player, and here no complains about the sharp, excellent picture of the avchd film I have made in 1920x1080/501.

I agree with you that progressive must be better than interlaced. In the past I have connected my old dvd player to my old plasma screen, and here I have used the Progressive scan connection for a much better picture.

But now, the i setting of PD is better then the P setting, strange but very true.

PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera