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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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If it was up to me I'd suggest producing in native recording format of your video to preserve as much quality as you can.

However, if you want to produce to the mov container and reduced bitrate, then I'd probably modify your "Key frame" via a custom profile. Key Frames approx every 300 frames is a rough general rule, so for this a key frame every 10 seconds. If you set this for every 1 second, or 30 frames apart, you may see noticeable pulsing in the quality, probably the shimmering effect you mention. The value of 10 should clear up most of the pulsing in the quality you are seeing, maybe give it a try and see if it helps with your footage.

I don't do much mov so someone else may have a better answer for your footage.

Jeff
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HalCon
Senior Contributor Location: Charlottetown, PEI Joined: Mar 01, 2008 10:36 Messages: 719 Offline
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nightowl,

I downloaded your clip and test produced it to a few different formats.

I noticed there is a very slight amout of shimmering in the original when played on my system.

Produced to .mov HD default I got the same result that you did. Very bad shimmering.
Other formats have less, and the best result was H.264 AVC.

I also tried Jeff's suggestion, making a custom .mov profile as per his post above. This had very good results. The only thing I changed in the HD profile was the keyframe setting. This I set to 10 as per Jeff's suggestion.

Hal


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JL and Hal, thanks for checking it out.

JL, the reason I'm doing .mov is because I upload my videos to the microstock site pond5.com and they require the vids be in .mov format. Otherwise I would produce in the native recording. I've successfully rendered to .mov a number of times in the last couple of weeks, until the shimmering began just a few days ago. It just started happening out of nowhere.

So how do I make a custom .mov profile?

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Dustie
I'm still working on it....
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Oops, sorry...asked about how to make a custom profile before JL's download was complete. Thanks for the "how to" JT...heading over to give it a try now...

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Dustie
I'm still working on it....
Cap'n Kevin
Senior Contributor Location: Chebeague Island, Maine Joined: Dec 26, 2008 20:22 Messages: 2011 Offline
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EDIT: During my step by step writeup, Jeff has shown you how to set up the Custom Profile(beat me to it!hahaha!)

So....cute little dog!!

Thanks for the files.....your mov file shimmered just like you said it did on my system.....and when i used your mts file and produced to the mov file type I got the exact same results.

so.....this is what i did....

I had some success(you be the judge) by selecting a different "Video Compressor"....I used the "Video Codec Type", but the file size is much larger, but no shimmering on the final mov video.

So basically when you go to the produce tab....select the mov file type....then select the "+" under the "Profile Type/Quality".....this should open the "Profile Quality Setup" window. You are now creating a Custom Profile.

with the Profile Quality Window now open....

Now select the "Video Compressor tab"....set the "video size" to 1920x1080 in the drop down menu....then in the "Video Type" drop down menu select the "Video Codec Type" (I am hoping you have this compressor, if not is their a Graphics Codec Type?).

Then in the "Video Quality" drop down window I selected "Lossless Quality".

click the "Apply" button....should look like mt attached screen shot at this point)

click the "OK" button

select your output folder and file name

now click the "START" button and produce.

Once the file is done it will be placed in your MEDIA room and you can watch it and on my PC it looked pretty good....but you are the final judge of acceptable quality.

If you go to the folder where the video is produced to ...I could only play it back using QUICKTIME. and it looked good there too.

See if this works for you....the file size in my example is 200MB...but if I understand what you are doing with the clips, you are keeping them short in duration. It might take awhile to upload them, but it might be worth a shot.

Let me know if you have any problems setting this up.

Best,

Kevin
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WOW!! YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!

I'm still wondering how it happened in the first place, but now the shimmer is gone and I couldn't be more pleased.

Thanks Cap'n Kevin for the idea of uploading two short clips, one produced complete with shimmer and the other in native form. Thanks to both you and JT for the solution and to Hal for confirming it. And thanks to everyone else who tried to help!

Once I saw where you were going with this and I compared both your settings, I went on to try other custom settings and came up with one that gave me a very clear pup video at a fraction of the size.

1920X1080
H.264 Codec Type
Lossless Quality
12 Keyframe rate


YOU GUYS SURE KNOW YOU STUFF! THANK YOU!!!!!

One more question. How do you delete custom .mov profiles? I experimented myself into lot of them. Dustie
I'm still working on it....
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hey Dustie -

It's great that you show your appreciation so genuinely. You're absolutely right. The wisdom & experience of many forum members like Jeff, Kevin & Hal couldn't have a price put on it! You're in good hands.

Maybe you could pop by this guy's place and give him a lesson or two. I think he got his manners from a CocoPops packet! http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15/20858.page#116608

Deleting a profile is easy...



Cheers - Tony
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Oh duh....guess I should have looked a bit harder. - does = delete, doesn't it?
Thanks Ynot (and I do believe you should have included yourself in there with Jeff, Kevin and Hal in your statement about wisdom & experience)

As to the CocoPops kid, somehow I don't think he'd "bother" to read any lessons I offered. I think he and fellow poser (oh, sorry, meant poster) , John-777, seem to be missing the appreciative gene. I will, however give CocoPops Kid a little credit, since he did say "thanks in advance" in his original post. Maybe he just thought that covered it, bad behavior and all?

I for one am truly grateful since now, thanks to you all, I can get back to work on some recent video I took that I've been unable to render without shimmer!

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Dustie
I'm still working on it....
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: Good idea Capn Kevin...how do I post a clip?

Thanks!

I am not Capn Kevin. But you can post a short clip right on this forum.

Use the Post Reply Button, not the Quick Reply button.
Blue Attachments button below the text box.

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JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: I'm still wondering how it happened in the first place, but now the shimmer is gone and I couldn't be more pleased.

Nothing really happened. When one is converting video there is never a one size fits all process that I know of, because of that it’s best to always keep the original specs when possible. The default "QuickTime FULL HD Quality" PD10 settings will work fine for some footage, just not all. Shooting nearly stationary patterns like carpet, leaves, grass, pine forest.... produce challenges for video compression algorithms and often a few changes in settings are necessary.

My opinion, I would stay with the “H.264 Codec Type” in the Video type setting when creating the custom profile for a multitude of reasons.

Glad the suggestion of adjusting "Key frames" produced a quality that you liked.

Jeff
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Thanks Carl. I was able to post a couple of examples in a thread above but I appreciate your answering.

JL-JL... I understand the no one size fits all and this did keep me to keep the originals for sure. I guess what had me scratching my head is the fact that I'm pretty new to making video and from the beginning all the vids I created came out crystal clear. Then, a few days ago the shimmer problem showed up out of nowhere and from then on every single rendering I did had the shimmer. I even tried rendering a couple of the original vids that had rendered perfectly before the problem started and they had the shimmer.

That's why it was a head scratcher. First it wasn't there, and then there it was and I couldn't shake it regardless of what I rendered. I'm just wondering if, somehow, someway, I changed the default settings of the .mov format? Guess I'll never know and just chalk it up to a learning experience. I sure learned a bit more about this great program thanks to the problem and all of you so, really, I'm glad it happened.

Good advice to stick with the H.264 Codec Type. It does seem to give me the clearest video over other's I tried when using the .mov format. Thanks again!

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Dustie
I'm still working on it....
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An update.... both videos I did using the custom .mov settings weren't accepted as stock. The quality of the video just wasn't spot on as previous videos were.

So I went back over everything and just could not find any answer as to why .mov format was producing a shimmer in default mode.

Finally, as a last resort, I removed Power Director completely from my computer and reloaded it from the disc and IT WORKED! The shimmer it totally gone and the videos are back to the high quality they were before all this started.

I know I'm going to constantly worry that it could happen again, but I'll hold my breath. Thanks again to everyone who tried to help. You guys are the bomb!

Dustie

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Dustie
I'm still working on it....
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