I posted a rant earlier in this thread that as great as 60p is, it really isn't ready for prime time. The postings since then have convinced me that my observations were correct. This is no format for the average video hobbiest. I'm not saying that it can't be edited at all; you guys have shown that it can be. However, it only is after heroic measures, and the average guy (me) isn't capable doing/understanding those. I don't understand why the manufacturers would put out something like this so prematurely. Now, I want to pose a simple question, the answer to which may prove me wrong. I hope I am wrong.

Can a person who wants to capture at the highest quality (60p) and is willing to postpone production at that level until the software/standards catch up, convert the 60p to either 60i or 30p easily, for production/sharing now? In other words, can I easily import the 60p files into PD9 and edit and produce at those lesser formats now, while preserving my original copy (60p) for later use? In my earlier rant, I wondered whether the software could simply skip every other frame to output a 30p stream. This seems so simple that I have to believe there are reasons beyond my knowledge that would prevent this. Does the Panasonic HD writer do anything to "convert" the 60p to a more useable format? If not, is there any utility software that does such a conversion?

Finally, I understand that this may have been answered already in this thread. I'm just not knowledgeable enough to understand if it has been.

Bill HP Pavilion Elite 410f. AMD Phenom II 1045T (six core), ATI Radeon HD 5570 Graphics Card w/1GB, 8GB memory, terabyte HD, generic multi optical, LG BD burner, both Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. Formerly used Ulead/Corel VideoStudio.

Hi all. A real greenie here, so many apologies but granny needs to learn how to suck eggs !! I have just bought Pana HS700 and I want to output in the best possible output on blu-ray. Can somebody please put an idiots step-by-step guide of what to do for this idiot

Im sure all the info is here, but there are a few terms Im still trying to learn etc.

Thanks to all for what is here so far.

Ross Thanks,
Ross

Cam : Panasonic HDC-HS700 (50p)
PC : Win 7 64 bit, GTX460, Intel i5, 8GB Ram, 1TB HDD, LG BD Burner :o)

Bill / Ross, To help answer you questions please keep in mind this thread is about how to export your edited output in a format that is the same (or as near as can be) to that of the input. A few of use like to edit, and keep the same format which is great for PC playback, some BD Players (the list is getting longer), and for archival purposes.

PD9 has always let you input these Pana clips, edit them and "Produce / Create Disc" them out to DVD, Blu-ray and various file formats etc right now. This recent patch also now add the ability to save these clips back out to 1080/50 or 60p and has enabled SVRT.

Bill: Bring your clips in, edit them away and "Produce / Create Disc" them in the format you want. No need for any hacks or changes. If you keep the original Project Files on the disc you can just open them at a later date and do another "Produce / Create Disc" to a different format (eg if they ever introduce say AVCHD that supports native 50 or 60p). In summary the native clips are already perfectly "usable" in PD9.

Ross: Keep in mind that Blu-ray spec lets supports 24p (most common transfer from film as it is shot in 24fps), 50i / 60i (eg stuff shot for TV like concerts etc). As our files will be 50 or 60p, PD9 will have to convert them to 24p or 50 / 60i. In looling at the "Create Disc --> Disc Preferences --> Encoding Format and Quality" when you make a Blu-ray disc from PD9 you have three options relevant options to choose from, HD 1920x1080 / HD 1920x1080p / HD 1920x1080p (24mbps). I have NOT tried these in the new patch to see what each produce at this stage but will test and let you know. Also which one is "best" may be subjective to the user, the method PD9 uses behind the screen and where you come for a 50p or 60p souce. The best Idea is to try a few out and so which one looks good to you. NOTE: They will all look worse than the original 50 or 60p footage.

Thanks
Nathan

The key thing to keep inmide is that

PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Just tested the output from PD9 for Blu-ray and AVCHD with the various options using my std test clip (1mn05sec 194MB 50p clip)

- Blu-ray (HD 1920x1080p) = 16mbps video stream, 23.976fps, main stream 140MB in size
- Blu-ray (HD 1920x1080)= 16mbps video stream, 25fps, main stream 139MB in size
- Blu-ray (HD 1920x1080p (24mbps) = 23mbps video stream, 25fps, main stream 195MB in size
- AVCHD (HD 1920x1080p) = 16mbps video stream, 23.976fps, main stream 140MB in size
- AVCHD (HD 1920x1080)= 16mbps video stream, 25fps, main stream 139MB in size
PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Thanks Nathan. I guess all of the discussion in this thread was so intimidating that I was thoroughly confused. So what you are saying is that PD9 has the ability to import the 60p video, easily edit it and then Produce AVCHD or BD discs, albeit to the existing standards (not at 60p). This is good. I was afraid that in order to edit/burn an AVCHD disk or a Blu Ray disk, I would have to set the camcorder to record at the existing (lower) standards, thereby frustrating the whole purpose of buying a 60p capable camcorder.

If I understand you right then I should definately consider a 60p camcorder and freely shoot 60p video, just understand that, for now, my discs (AVCHD or BD) will be at current standards. That will work for me.

Thanks again.

Bill HP Pavilion Elite 410f. AMD Phenom II 1045T (six core), ATI Radeon HD 5570 Graphics Card w/1GB, 8GB memory, terabyte HD, generic multi optical, LG BD burner, both Lightscribe, Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. Formerly used Ulead/Corel VideoStudio.

Bill - your understanding is 100% correct.

Keep in mind however that the end perceived "quality" of a AVCHD or BD disc from the 60p source will be dependant on how good a job / the method used when PD9 transcodes down to 23.976 or 30p/60i for these discs. eg recordings made in native 60i or 23.976p "may" produce better results than the conversion the PD9 does ... on this I can not comment as I shoot in 50p (PAL version), edit and watch the results on a PC that handles this formt. I would only ever burn a DVD or Blu-ray version if I was to give a copy to someone who only had a physical disc based player (and many of the newer ones will play the 50 or 60p files now anyway). PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Nathan - thanks very much for taking the time to investigate and answer my questions. I look forward to "having a play" with my new toy !!
Thanks,
Ross

Cam : Panasonic HDC-HS700 (50p)
PC : Win 7 64 bit, GTX460, Intel i5, 8GB Ram, 1TB HDD, LG BD Burner :o)

Quote:
Aunsoft: There was a recommendation in the thread to use Aunsoft. I bought it. But quite frankly, I don't think that it works as described. I have tried all methods to concatenate M2TS files (and to also use the internal MTS import function directly from the Panasonic camera... which it recognizes). None of the files play back correctly on WDTV. The videos studder in an extreme fashion.

Cheers! And thanks again for all the help!

Be wary of any recommendations for Aunsoft. It is heavily shilled on various forums by insiders and is often described as powerful software that takes care of all your converting, when actually it is generic chinese software often used under different names, that uses freeware tools that re-encode video files of which many users have reported poor results.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15/15082.page#81603
Posted on the Tips sticky page - should have been added sooner.
Dafydd

FYI (Dafydd this is really one for the Devs): I asked the author of the LAV Splitter and Audio Decoder (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191) to have a look at a sample CPU Rendered Output File and see if there was any obvious issue with the video stream, and part of his response was:

I briefly looked at the sample, and my first guess is that it failed to properly mux the H264 in Annex B format, that is with the SPS/PPS headers interleaved in the video stream, and as a result the decoders do not find them.

Note: As commented on by spgoblue the FixPD9.bat posted earlier will demux the video/audio streams (with eac3to) and then remux them using tsMuxeR. You can also get a GUI for tsMuxeR and this free tool will let you join togther video segments into one stream if that is all you want to do. Otherwise load them into PD9 and use the SVRT option to join them into one. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Dafydd - another thought. If the issue is that if PD9 during CPU rendering is producing a different header for H264 Video from the original it may explain why there is the transition issue I reported above happens comming from CPU rendering segment back to SVRT as the video headers will not match between the various SVRT / CPU / SVRT segments of the file. This would explain all sorts of playback issues.

PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Here is:
1) Original.m2ts: the original test file I use (it is 1mn05sec so to allow SVRT but it is almost 200MB)
2) Produce_10.m2ts: Created with SVRT ON and a title added at the 25sec point. You will see the issue as the title ends.

Thanks
Nathan

*** EDIT - Removed Files - Will repost with another (quicker) link *** PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Further testing on the Produce_10.m2ts file with the CPU Rendered component tends to highlight that there is a change in the timecodes which various splitters have different issues with. MS Media Player is the "best" handling the changes in the transition point, with others like Haali, LAV etc not liking it at all so you get Audio continuting but a pause in the video rendering (as they wait to find a new valid timecode comming back to the original stream?)

Dafydd / Others? - any comments? PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Hi,
The download connection from this site is extremely slow. 4 hours after starting to download the Original clip, it still hadn't finished. With about 3/4 done, I gave up and shut my PC down.
Sorry.
Dafydd

Funny - the upload was not too bad. Anyway try this link for the Produce_10.m2ts file http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E9EF05IX and if you want I can then upload the original
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Hi all,
I have a question in regard to Audio.
I just downloaded PD9 and when trying to Join (with Transition) my first two TM-700 files
The Video came out Fine but the Audio sounds Clicky and in S-L-O-W motion.
I did setup a Custom profile as suggested by jmone with the Audio as Dolby Digital and 5.1.

I had seen a You Tube Video where the poster said to not check that because it just caused him problems....
So I un-Checked the Audio back to LPCM & Stereo..did it again and the Audio was fine but of course no Surround,
which I get when just playing my TM-700 files via PDVD 10

So my question is..What Gives? and how can I hear my original 5.1 in my TM-700 video files?

Thanks,
Bud B PD9 64 Bit - Win7 Home Premium 64 Bit SP1
Quad Core CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz - 6GB RAM
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 5770
Panasonic: TM-700 shooting @ 1080P - 5.1 Audio

Hi Bud B - First Q is what format are you recording the sound on your TM700 in (2ch or 5.1). I'd suggest that when you then setup the profile in PD9 to match that of your cam as it then does not need to transcode it and hence will join up finr (or it should!)
PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Hi jmone,
I should have put that in my first post but assumed that if I was expecting to hear 5.1, that is because I recorded it in 5.1.
My 700 has recorded everything in 1080P and 5.1 sound.
So I hope that helps.
It would be nice to hear the 5.1 surround.

Also so you know, I do not have AE Writer 2.1 on this computer.
I connect the 700 via USB, then go to the Stream folder either on Internal or Card Memory and transfer the Video and Pictures into a specific folder on my WD External Drive.

Also I do not see a Profile.ini file under Roaming so I could not increase the Bit Rate above 22500
I opened NotePad and went to Users etc..etc..I see the Roaming folder but no Profile.ini

Since I just downloaded PD9 today I am hoping that it is just a matter of getting it setup correctly.

Thanks,
Bud PD9 64 Bit - Win7 Home Premium 64 Bit SP1
Quad Core CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz - 6GB RAM
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 5770
Panasonic: TM-700 shooting @ 1080P - 5.1 Audio

Hi all,
Well I figured out my Audio problem..
The reason that my Audio was bad was because when I got the files from my HDD
the lower portion of the media "Open " box stated that my TM-700 files did not have "Rich Video" Information.
The Text asked, "Did I want to Generate it now?"
Well the first time around I did not really pay this any mind, I just disregarded this and moved the file over anyway.
This time however, I let the program generate the "Rich Video" information and transferred the files.
I then went into my profile and changed the Audio selection back to Dolby Digital and 5.1.
I then Rendered the files and as I suspected, the Audio was fine with full Surround!

A Rookie mistake.

Bud PD9 64 Bit - Win7 Home Premium 64 Bit SP1
Quad Core CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz - 6GB RAM
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 5770
Panasonic: TM-700 shooting @ 1080P - 5.1 Audio

Hi Bud, I use AE Writer to grab all my clips from the TM700 (I have the HDD version) as I see that it does remux them slightly from the format they are in on the TM700 so this **MAY** make a difference in how PD9 recognises them (but should not as the content is exactly the same, it's just the container is different). I'll have to test a raw cam file to see what impact there is later (and let you know)

You will only see a Profile.Ini in "C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\9.0" if you first create a custom profile in PD9. You can then manually edit this file to bump up the encodeding specs if you need to.

Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Both the raw MTS and the M2TS version import fine with the same Properties being displayed in PD9 PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG