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otown [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 27, 2011 10:00 Messages: 43 Offline
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Hi,

I have a new camera that shoots 1080p...59.940 fps. PD9 will recognize the files but when I try to write a video as an HD file or AVCHD/Blu-ray, the result is jerky. I've tried a few things but no success.

Here is a sample clip right from the camera:
http://vimeo.com/28679058

I was wondering if someone can try the clip for me....any ideas would be appreciated. I'm looking for a smooth video with as much detail as possible.

thx....
1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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Otown, hi-

your clip played fine in PD9, it rendered fine using the default H.264 AVC >
AVCHD 1920x1080.

Watch result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyTSZRgCRFE

So, you probably should post your dxdiag (see top of the forum index),
as maybe your computer should have a bit more juice and power?

Nina
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otown [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 27, 2011 10:00 Messages: 43 Offline
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Thanks for the quick reply iNina. I will post a dxdiag. My computer is the same as yours except I have and ATI HD 4670 and am running 64 bit Vista. Could you post the properties/tags/metadata of you youtube file you created. The original file properties are as follows...thx:

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : C:\Users\..............\00002.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 32.3 MiB
Duration : 10s 437ms
Overall bit rate : 26.0 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 28.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 10s 510ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 24.7 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 26.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.199
Stream size : 30.9 MiB (96%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 10s 528ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 329 KiB (1%)

Text
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 9s 945ms

1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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I do not have Mediainfo installed,
but squeezed out what I could from the "sources" I have available:

Frame Rate: 29,97
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo
Total Duration: 00:00:10:17
Average Data Rate: 1,9 MB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,0
Video: H264/AVC - top field first
Audio: Dolby Digital - 48000 Hz - 32 Bit - 2 Channels


AVCHD Stream
[Video Information]
H.264/AVC
Bit Rate Average : 15,5 Mbps
Video bitrate Mode VBR
Size : 1920 x 1080
Chroma Format : 4:2:0
Profile : High@L4.0
[Audio Information]
Dolby Digital (AC-3)
Bit Rate : 256000 bps
Sampling Rate : 48000 Hz
Mode : 2 ch

I can see you wished for more...
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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi otown -

Just to echo what Nina has said, I had no trouble with jerky playback from your clip...

and when I produced it to the same format & profile in PD (AVC H.264 1920x1080p @24MBps 59.94fps) the video played back smoothly.

Cheers - Tony
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I see your video, http://vimeo.com/28679058 , HD is 1280 x 720 P, bitrate 2.5 Kbps, file 3.4 Mb.

I opened in PD9, I created a profile, H-264 AVC, 1280 x 720 P, 6 kbps. (What is the minimum PD9).

I added a text about the video and saved, it was perfect, the file only increased to 9 Mb

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pjc3
Senior Member Location: Australia Joined: May 29, 2010 19:33 Messages: 247 Offline
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If you are interested in getting the most out of 1080p60 have a read here.......

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15533.page
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otown [Avatar]
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Quote: Hi otown -

Just to echo what Nina has said, I had no trouble with jerky playback from your clip...

and when I produced it to the same format & profile in PD (AVC H.264 1920x1080p @24MBps 59.94fps) the video played back smoothly.

Cheers - Tony


Hi, when I produced the AVCHD files the M2TS file was as below...with a different frame rate and bit rate. I selected HD 1920x1080p. How did you get your frame and bit rate?

thx

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name \00000.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 20.5 MiB
Duration : 10s 797ms
Overall bit rate : 15.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 10s 510ms
Bit rate : 14.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.298
Stream size : 18.6 MiB (91%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 10s 624ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 581 KiB (3%)

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Quote: I see your video, http://vimeo.com/28679058, HD is 1280 x 720 P, bitrate 2.5 Kbps, file 3.4 Mb.

I opened in PD9, I created a profile, H-264 AVC, 1280 x 720 P, 6 kbps. (What is the minimum PD9).

I added a text about the video and saved, it was perfect, the file only increased to 9 Mb


Hi, the video is 1920x1080p, 32.34MB, did you download a different video?

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Is the following issue raised 2 days ago of help:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/18862.page

and answered by a member.

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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otown -

I think PlayVideo must have downloaded a different video, since the file names are different!

Here's the MediaInfo report of your sample clip & the video produced in PD.



How did you get your frame and bit rate?


After selecting the AVC H.264 1920x1080p (24MBps) profile, I followed these steps...



Cheers - Tony
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otown [Avatar]
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Quote: otown -

I think PlayVideo must have downloaded a different video, since the file names are different!

Here's the MediaInfo report of your sample clip & the video produced in PD.



How did you get your frame and bit rate?


After selecting the AVC H.264 1920x1080p (24MBps) profile, I followed these steps...



Cheers - Tony


Hi, did you try my video and produce an AVCHD disc (produce disc)....just the disc files on your hard drive, not actually writing a disc.

thx
1Nina
Senior Contributor Location: Norway, 50km southwest of Oslo Joined: Oct 08, 2008 04:12 Messages: 1070 Offline
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Hi guys,
I think PlayVideo did what I did; download via FireFox....?
"My" filesize was the same small, so I guess it was a bit too late in the night for me!
I should have logged in to Vimeo....forgot, sorry.

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Nina - your tribute is appreciated but unwarranted. We all do our bit to help each other.

The other thing I want to share is this, but it's probably not exactly on topic!!!

My forth grandchild was born yesterday. Spread the love!

Cheers - Tony

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Congratulations on the new addition!! All the best to parents also1
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pjc3
Senior Member Location: Australia Joined: May 29, 2010 19:33 Messages: 247 Offline
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Quote:

Hi, did you try my video and produce an AVCHD disc (produce disc)....just the disc files on your hard drive, not actually writing a disc.

thx


AVCHD disc do not support 1080p60 only 1080p24 @ 18Mbps. If you want to keep 1080p60 then you will need a mediaplayer. If you are getting frame rate judder problems converting to 24fps then I suggest you use 720p60 on your AVCHD disc. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.
otown [Avatar]
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Quote:
Quote:

Hi, did you try my video and produce an AVCHD disc (produce disc)....just the disc files on your hard drive, not actually writing a disc.

thx


AVCHD disc do not support 1080p60 only 1080p24 @ 18Mbps. If you want to keep 1080p60 then you will need a mediaplayer. If you are getting frame rate judder problems converting to 24fps then I suggest you use 720p60 on your AVCHD disc.


Okay, thanks for the response. I know that AVCHD disc doesn't support 1080p 60 fps. I do want to write discs at 1080 (at any frame rate) so if PD9 can't convert without judder then thats good to know. I was hoping that someone else could confirm this.

It seems strange that PD9 can write a file okay but if the file is part of an AVCHD disc then theres a problem.

thx

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pjc3
Senior Member Location: Australia Joined: May 29, 2010 19:33 Messages: 247 Offline
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The judder is sometimes a result of poor interlacing of PD but seeing you are using progressive source and rendering to 1080p24 it is most likely frame rate discrepancy.

I have had reasonable success rendering to 1080i60 for AVCHD. No frame rate problems and PD can't stuff up too much interlacing a progressive source. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.
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