1920x1080 50p Blu-ray Authoring

Andrew - Wales, UK

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Apr 11, 2014 15:06

Hi all,

I usually shoot in 1920x1080 50p 28mbps and then use the 1920x1080 50i 24mbps profile in 'Create Disc' to author to Blu-ray. I'm very happy with the results but always wished there was a 50p option I could try.

Based on the excellent information available here

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30195.page#165398

I attempted to create a 1920x1080 50p Blu-ray with full menu structure.

1. The project included 8 PD projects all shot in 1920x1080 50p with 5.1 audio using my Sony and Canon cameras, listed in my signature, to be included on a 25GB Blu-ray disc. The total running time was about 1 hour and 40 minutes. A full menu structure was included.
2. I ran the "TurnOnBD1080p" listed in the above thread, opened PD and loaded my project.
3. I selected H.264 -> 1280x720/50p -> DD 5.1 Channels in the Create Disc 2D Disc tab.
4. I burnt the project to folders using the usual method.
5. Hardware acceleration WOULD NOT work. The rendering process would bring up the 'broken file etc...' error.
6. I turned off "enable hardware video encoder" and tried again. The rendering process began.
7. SVRT did not work. The rendering process took approx. 3 hours.
8. Once the process was complete I burned the folders to a Blu-ray disc using IMGburn.

The resulting disc was in the full 1920x1080 50p format. The disc played perfectly in my 2011 Sony Blu-ray player, my PS3 and the PC itself. The picture quality was better than the 1920x1080 50i 24mbps discs I usually author with this 50p footage. I am absolutely delighted!

Now how about a 1920x1080 50p 28mbps profile for 'Create Disc' Cyberlink with a warning that this may not play in older Blu-ray players?

Andrew
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AndrewRacz1

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Apr 11, 2014 16:49

Totally agree, the discs I created don't play on a Panasonic (sound only on the panasonic) and a Samsung player I have even though both companies said they would.

Plays on ps3 and ps4.

jmone

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Apr 11, 2014 17:15

Thanks Andrew,
and yes HW Acell needs to be off on my PC as well (NVidia), but in general I'm not a fan of using the GPU for encoding as it is much more inflexible and as such can produce a poorer quality outcome.

It would be nice to Cyberlink to add the option to PD now but I don't think they will as it is just not part of the current official BD Spec.

The good news is they are looking at updating the spec, "The BDA recently approved the addition of 4K/UHD to the Blu-ray Disc specification"

http://www.twice.com/magazine-issue-type/current-issue/blu-ray-disc-association-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-way/109597

...so who knows, maybe "one day"!
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Andrew - Wales, UK

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Apr 11, 2014 17:24

Hi Nathan,

Indeed! This is certainly a great step in the right direction though! SVRT support would be great with this so I hope they keep this workaround in mind.

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

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ynotfish

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Apr 11, 2014 22:03

Andrew, Nathan et al -

I have the urge to temporarily reinstate the dreaded star rating system just to whack a pile of them on your posts.

What you're doing is way beyond me, but I appreciate how good it is. Stars all round.

Cheers - Tony
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Apr 11, 2014 23:34

Thanks Andrew - BOOKMARKED! Happing editing

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Andrew - Wales, UK

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Apr 12, 2014 05:13

Hi Neil,

Let us know how you get on!

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

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Andrew - Wales, UK

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Apr 15, 2014 15:15

We had issues on my parents older Sony blu-ray player (2009). Footage audio and video played fine but the menu music was choppy, as was the music in the slideshow.

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Andrew - Wales, UK

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Apr 27, 2014 04:05

Hi all,

As an update I've just updated my system to the spec below, an Alienware Aurora R4

The hardware acceleration works with my AMD GPU unlike my previous NVIDIA.

Picture quality on the final disc is superb.

Cheers,

Andrew

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jmone

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Apr 27, 2014 06:12

Hi Andrew, Do you have a short sample of what was produced using AMD's HW Accell? As you have found NVidia can not produce such content.
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Andrew - Wales, UK

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Apr 27, 2014 11:16

I'll have a look. It checks out as 50 full frames with 1920x1080.

Cheers,

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AndrewRacz1

Member Location: Cardiff Joined: Mar 18, 2014 18:36 Messages: 55 Offline

Apr 30, 2014 07:37

The 50p rendering output is really good, no artefacts, crisp pic and much smoother than 50i at 1920 x 1080p, shame it only plays on my sony, been in touch with Panasonic and Samsung and gave them media info file and they said that it should play, as long as latest firmware is installed and the disk is finalised. I told them I had but haven't heard from them since!

For a user request suggest that cybelink has more options (bit rates settings and frame rates) for next version for blu ray output, even non complaint settings, perhaps with a warning like Pro show when using 35mpbs outputting at 1920 x 1080p at 24p

AndrewRacz1

Member Location: Cardiff Joined: Mar 18, 2014 18:36 Messages: 55 Offline

Apr 30, 2014 07:38

Is there anyway you can output at 1920 x 180p 50p in MPEG 2 instead of H.264 as though files play ok on the sony and panasonic

AndrewRacz1

Member Location: Cardiff Joined: Mar 18, 2014 18:36 Messages: 55 Offline

Apr 30, 2014 07:47

If I produce a file using MKV 1920 x 1080p 50p (28MBS) how do I create blu ray disk using either power director or IMG burn.

I've attached the sheet of file formats the panasonic will play


Filename	playable content.PNG	Download
Description
Filesize	82 Kbytes
Downloaded:	318 time(s)

jmone

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May 08, 2014 20:29

Quote: Is there anyway you can output at 1920 x 180p 50p in MPEG 2 instead of H.264 as though files play ok on the sony and panasonic

I've tested and can create a 1920x1080/50p MPEG 2 BD running at 28Mbps with 5.1 DD Audio using the same method outlined at http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30195.page#165398

To enable "1920x1080/50 or 60p BD with MPEG2 Encoding and DD 5.1 Audio"
1) Make sure PD12 is closed
2) Run "TurnOnBD1080pMPG" and accept the change prompts (it will change the registry settings)
3) Run PD12 and author a Project as usual then select the MPEG-2, HD1280x720/50 or 60p and the 5.1 DD Audio options (no other combination will work at this stage).

To disable "1920x1080/50 or 60p BD"
1) Make sure PD12 is closed
2) Run "TurnOffBD1080pMPG" and accept the change prompts (it will change the registry settings back)

For those happy to edit the Windows Registry directly, you need to modified the 13th Binary Data Value from 07 to 06 in the "3" Value for the following keys as follows:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\CyberLink\PowerDirector12\AuthorPage\Profile\BDMVProfileMP2AC3_6ch]
"3"=hex:40,78,7d,01,05,00,00,00,c0,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,40,a5,ae,02,00,1b,b7,\
00,03,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,40,06,00,00,\
d0,07,00,00,01,00,00,00,06,00,00,00,00,00,00,00

I assume this method will also work on the other profiles (like 2ch audio etc).

Filename	TurnOffBD1080pMPG.reg	Download
Description	TurnOffBD1080pMPG
Filesize	3 Kbytes
Downloaded:	450 time(s)

Filename	TurnOnBD1080pMPG.reg	Download
Description	TurnOnBD1080pMPG
Filesize	3 Kbytes
Downloaded:	456 time(s)

PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

jmone

Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline

May 08, 2014 20:30

Note: the hack above works fine for playback on my PC but I have no idea if it will work on your HW devices. Let us know how it goes and if it works I can update the Reg files to also modify other profiles (eg if you want 2.0 audio etc).

I would also not recommend this one in general as it is not a profile described by any commercial distribution content. The original hack for the AVC profile should be more compatible as many players already support this for AVCHD V2.

Thanks
Nathan

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Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

AndrewRacz1

Member Location: Cardiff Joined: Mar 18, 2014 18:36 Messages: 55 Offline

May 10, 2014 07:09

Thanks for the reply, rendered as MPEG but only sound plays on my Panasonic (same as when I renderded the avc files) no picture even when I rendered the 5 sec clip that came with PD (nature). Must be the player, I've attached the formats it can play but can't work out how to use the mkv carrier to work on the blu ray player. The MPEG plays fine on the ps4. The only strange think with the MPEG file is that on desktop has a file ext of mts but media info has it as an MPEG 2 file, PS4 also has the file info as MPEG2.

50p is way better than 50i that's why I want to burn and play blu ray disks ant ideas


Filename	Pansonic.PNG	Download
Description
Filesize	82 Kbytes
Downloaded:	342 time(s)

jmone

Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline

May 10, 2014 08:14

As there is no formal support for 50p on BD your best bet is to take a sample disk (I'd suggest and AVC based one) and try various players. I'd think that those that specifically mention AVCHD Version 2.0 would be the best bet but .... at the end of the day it is just a hack that will work with some and not others.

Did you try producing an AVCHD 50p project to a memory card and see if that worked? (you player lists support for AVCHD on this media) PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

AndrewRacz1

Member Location: Cardiff Joined: Mar 18, 2014 18:36 Messages: 55 Offline

May 10, 2014 10:41

It's a pretty good hack, I'll try the memory stick/usb method.

Thanks

Andrew - Wales, UK

Contributor Location: Wales, UK Joined: Jan 27, 2009 19:16 Messages: 545 Offline

May 11, 2014 02:45

It's a brilliant hack - I only wish there was a proper profile in PD that we could use that utilised SVRT, should you wish to use it!

Cheers,

Andrew Alienware Aurora ALX R4 - Intel i7-4820 4.2 GHz - 32GB DDR3 RAM - Crucial 512GB SSD - 1TB Seagate HDD - 3TB WD Green HDD - 4TB WD Green HDD - MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB

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