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Summary of PD12 for AVC 1920 1080/50 or 60p users: This is an continuation and a summary of the same review from a previous PD11 thread http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/26582.page

This thread is for AVC (h.264) 1920x1080/50 or 60fps users. Such files are being produced by a range of Camcorders such as the Pana 700, 800 & 900 series, CX560 & CX700, JVC GC-PX10 etc...+ this format is now a formal part of the AVCHD spec http://www.avchd-info.org/format/ (which is a subset of the broader AVC spec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC ). Here are some notes on how these format is handled and produce by PD11:

Rendering Choices: The following is a summary from using the "Intelligent SVRT" under Produce which picks a correct profile under H.264/AVC. There are three options you can use to produce the final project.

1) CPU (Fast video rendering technology unchecked): This option works as you would expect and while it does re-encode the Audio and Video streams the quality and sync issues have been fixed. Looks good and I would recommend it as the preferred option!

2) Hardware Video Encoder (GPU): I've not been able to test this as I've been getting a "Production unsuccessful" error (since PD11). This test were done using nVidia 327.23 drivers (Win8 64-Bit) and I will update later if I ever get it working but have always found the GPU output to be a mixed bag depending on the GPU MFR, Drivers, etc. It is hard to recommend for these reasons.

3) SVRT: How much quicker over CPU rendering will depend on the size of each of your clips and what % of the video needs rendering (more info documented later in the thread). The output of the rendered and SVRT segment looks good and there were NO transition or sync issues (even after remuxing).

Other: Couple of other related comments:
- Format: The output file is slightly "non std", I'm not sure if it is the header information in the M2TS container or the stream info (esp the Audio Stream) but some other apps or players don't like it much. I did create a "ReMuxPD" batch file that may work if you have any issues with your output but YMMV (see post below).

- Audio: My test clips are 5.1 DD. When you use "Produce --> Intelligent SVRT" it only recommends the Video format and will render your Audio to 2.0 DD as default, so if you want to keep your 5.1 audio don't forget to click the "Dolby Digital 5.1" Check Box!

- Timeline: It is fantastic that PD12 now lets you select the number of "Ticks" on the Timeline to match you frame rate for 24,25,30,50 and 60fps (including NTSC 1000/1001 variations). It is great that PD12 introduced 24fps so you can now do frame accurate editing of all major timecodes. If you are interested in some test clip projects more is in this thread - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/29762.page

Thanks
Nathan

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ReMuxPD Notes: It is with some hesitation that I post this batch file. All it does is demux the streams created by PD and remux them again so that it is more "std". This "may" help if you find incompatibility issues when trying to play or use files from PD in other applications. You however may find it makes things worse with audio video sync issues or visible issues at transition points within your output. To try it out all you have to do is place the "produce.m2ts" file in the "ReMuxPD" directory and run the ReMuxPD.Bat file. It will create a new version of our content as "output.m2ts". If it works for you great!

This version lets you create a File, BD or AVCHD Structure.
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Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Custom Profiles: Playback of AVC 1080/50 or 60p can be very demanding on many HW and SW players so there are a couple of things you can try if you find stuttering or other playback issues (note: I recommend that you do not use either SVRT or GPU acceleration for either of these):

1) Lower the Bit Rate: In PD you can create Custom Profiles. Try lowering the bitrate of the video and see how it plays.

2) No "B" Frames: "B" (Bidirectional Predictive frames) are not supported by all HW and SW players and take a lot of processing power. You could create a Custom Profile to see if this helps but it is a bit more involved and will make the file produced by PD slightly larger (but easier to playback).
a) Go to the produce tab as normal and select the AVC 1920 x 1080/50 or 60P (28Mbps) the press the "+" button to create a new Profile.
b) Give it a name and description that you like (you will notice on the "Profile Name" tab the GOP Pattern is "IBBPBBPBBPBBP" but to change this we need to:
c) Close PD12
d) Open this file in Note Pad: "C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\12.0\Profile.ini
e) Locate the "<Pattern>" for your new profile and change it to "IPPPPP"
f) Save the file

Go back into PD12 and on the Produce Tab --> Profile Type (Select CUSTOM), and your new profile should be selectable in "Profile Name". If you click the details button you can check the correct GOP structure is there.

Try making a file with that one and see if your HW or SW player likes this profile better. You can also run this through "ReMuxPD" if needed.

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Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Part 1 - Burning and Playback for 50 or 60p Discs - What PD Supports Natively: PD12 allows you to create Blu-ray and AVCHD disk structures with full menus and navigation features but there are various limitations.

Blu-ray: The Blu-ray Disk Specification (currently) does not include support for burning 1080/50 or 60p content to disk. You have the choice between reducing the resolution to 720p (but keeping the frame rate at 50 or 60p) or keeping the resolution at 1080 but reducing the framerate to 50 or 60i. Neither is a great option but my preferred one would be the lower resolution and original frame rate if you want full menus and navigation of multiple clips.

AVCHD: The AVCHD V2 specification does include 1080/50 and 60p profile as this is what our Camcorders use to record to either their HDD or SD Card. PD12 does offer the option to create a AVCHD V2 compliant structure for your 1080/50 or 60p content including Menus in full 50 or 60p!. Have a look at the attachment. You get the 50 / 60p option if you select either "Removable Disk, SD/SDHC/SDX.., Memory Stick". To make it work, you will need to put in a USB Drive or Stick (odd limitation) and then you will able to burn the structure to this disk.

You can then copy this structure to a HDD or burn to a Disk (DVD / BD) pending on what support you device has for such formats on removable media. Unfortunately there is only a small number of AVCHD Version 2.0 compliant HW and SW players currently on the market so you may get a couple of issues:

- Not Recognised: If you player will not recognise this output at all it is probably due the difference in the BD and AVCHD file structure. "At the file system level, the structure of AVCHD is derived from the Blu-ray Disc specification, but is not identical to it. In particular, it uses legacy "8.3" file naming convention, while Blu-ray Discs utilize long filenames" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD . You could try putting the attached batch file (minus the ".TXT" on the end of the filename) into the BDMV directory and running it (it will change all the filenames to the long format) and see if it will then play - http://www.dynatec.at/techblog/creating-a-ps3-compatible-avchd-dvd . It will not change the internal AVCHD V2.0 header info so you may now get the following on some players.

- AVCHD Version 2.0 Not Supported: Some players are AVCHD compatible but not V2.0 in which cause you will see a warning (see pic) in 23.976p (eg by my versions of the latest TMT player).

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Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Part 2 - Burning and Playback for 50 or 60p Discs - Other Options : There are some options if you want to burn your 1080/50 or 60p content to BD disks for playback on devices that "unofficially" support such things

No Menu Option: Produce --> H.264/AVC : Create your output as a 1920x1080/50 or 60p file then remux it to a BD Structure (using the ReMuxPD batch file attached in an earlier post) then burn the BDMV folder to a BD using your favourite burning SW (eg IMGBURN). While you will find this will then play with most SW and HW BD players that can keep up with a 50 or 60p stream, you will not get any PD12 style menus etc. This option is the most reliable and you should try it first. If this does not work with your HW or SW player then neither will the following option either.

Full 1080/50 or 60p to BD Disk in PD12 : Create Disk --> 2D Disc --> H.264 and Dolby Digital (2 or 5.1 Channels). With a simple registry change PD12 can be enabled to burn "1920x1080/50 or 60p" content to BD discs with full menu and navigation support. Even though the menu items will stay the same, this will change the output of the (see pic)
- HD 1280 x 720/50 or 60p setting to 1920 x 1080/50 or 60p as well as
- HD 1280 x 720/24p setting to 1920 x 1080/24p

To enable "1920x1080/50 or 60p BD"
1) Make sure PD12 is closed
2) Run "TurnOnBD1080p" and accept the change prompts (it will change the registry settings)
3) Run PD12 and author a Project as usual then use the settings as show in the Pic. Currently you MUST select the H.264, HD1280x720/50 or 60p and the 2.0 or 5.1 DD Audio options.

To disable "1920x1080/50 or 60p BD"
1) Make sure PD12 is closed
2) Run "TurnOffBD1080p" and accept the change prompts (it will change the registry settings back)

It also changes the 3D disc settings but as I don't have any 3D content I can not test at this stage what impact it has for these discs.

For those happy to edit the Windows Registry directly, you need to modified the 13th Binary Data Value from 04(off) to 06(on) in the "3" Value for the following keys as follows:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\CyberLink\PowerDirector12\AuthorPage\Profile\BDMVProfileMP4AC3] and
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\CyberLink\PowerDirector12\AuthorPage\Profile\BDMVProfileMP4AC3_6ch]
"3"=hex:e0,82,ec,00,05,00,00,00,c0,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,40,66,03,01,80,96,98,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,40,06,00,00,d0,07,00,00,01,00,00,00,06,00,00,00,01,00,00,00

Note: Interestingly, the M2TS files created have std Audio and Video headers so there is no need to use the ReMuxPD to standardise the output unlike with the single file creation.

*** Disclaimer - While this just involves a registry change, please make sure you are comfortable with this. It is working for me and others who have tested it but all setups are different so if you dog gets lost or the world ends you have my condolences but you will have to deal with any issues arising. The testing for this has been in this thread - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30195.page
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GoPro Hero3 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Thank you Nathan for an excellent write up and I'm sure many editors appreciate the extent you have gone to explain everything.
Dafydd

For more information click the links given here:
PowerDirector Video Editor = 2,2.5,3,4,5,5P,6,7,8,9,10,11 Ultimate Suite, Ultimate Suite 2, Director Suite 2.
PowerDirector 12 Image Guides linking image guides on the forum.
Image Editor = One that makes transparent background PNG files is a "must have".
Gif Animation = Creating and converting an animation can give one's video a little "edge".
Check out PowerDVD, PhotoDirector, ColorDirector, AudioDirector & MediaShow
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Added the info as a Bookmark - useful information here.

Dafydd

For more information click the links given here:
PowerDirector Video Editor = 2,2.5,3,4,5,5P,6,7,8,9,10,11 Ultimate Suite, Ultimate Suite 2, Director Suite 2.
PowerDirector 12 Image Guides linking image guides on the forum.
Image Editor = One that makes transparent background PNG files is a "must have".
Gif Animation = Creating and converting an animation can give one's video a little "edge".
Check out PowerDVD, PhotoDirector, ColorDirector, AudioDirector & MediaShow
I use the Pixelan plug-ins, (*5) with PowerDirector 12 Click here to visit Pixelan Software.
Started with 8mm splice editing and B&W still image darkroom photography.
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Excellent! I'll give it a try for th AVCDH 2.0 with 3D direct bluray burnig and will get back to you.
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Just burned one 3D in 60p and the movie is slow a bit, sound not in line neither chopping.

When in PD, SVRT tells me that my video files at AVC 1920x1080i (24Mbps) H264(M) and that SVRT can't be used on them... weird?!??

Sylvain

jmone wrote:Part 2 - Burning and Playback for 50 or 60p Discs - Other Options : There are some options if you want to burn your 1080/50 or 60p content to BD disks for playback on devices that "unofficially" support such things

No Menu Option: Produce --> H.264/AVC : Create your output as a 1920x1080/50 or 60p file then remux it to a BD Structure (using the ReMuxPD batch file attached in an earlier post) then burn the BDMV folder to a BD using your favourite burning SW (eg IMGBURN). While you will find this will then play with most SW and HW BD players that can keep up with a 50 or 60p stream, you will not get any PD12 style menus etc. This option is the most reliable and you should try it first. If this does not work with your HW or SW player then neither will the following option either.

Full 1080/50 or 60p to BD Disk in PD12 : Create Disk --> 2D Disc --> H.264 and Dolby Digital (2 or 5.1 Channels). With a simple registry change PD12 can be enabled to burn "1920x1080/50 or 60p" content to BD discs with full menu and navigation support. Even though the menu items will stay the same, this will change the output of the (see pic)
- HD 1280 x 720/50 or 60p setting to 1920 x 1080/50 or 60p as well as
- HD 1280 x 720/24p setting to 1920 x 1080/24p

To enable "1920x1080/50 or 60p BD"
1) Make sure PD12 is closed
2) Run "TurnOnBD1080p" and accept the change prompts (it will change the registry settings)
3) Run PD12 and author a Project as usual then use the settings as show in the Pic. Currently you MUST select the H.264, HD1280x720/50 or 60p and the 2.0 or 5.1 DD Audio options.

To disable "1920x1080/50 or 60p BD"
1) Make sure PD12 is closed
2) Run "TurnOffBD1080p" and accept the change prompts (it will change the registry settings back)

It also changes the 3D disc settings but as I don't have any 3D content I can not test at this stage what impact it has for these discs.

For those happy to edit the Windows Registry directly, you need to modified the 13th Binary Data Value from 04(off) to 06(on) in the "3" Value for the following keys as follows:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\CyberLink\PowerDirector12\AuthorPage\Profile\BDMVProfileMP4AC3] and
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\CyberLink\PowerDirector12\AuthorPage\Profile\BDMVProfileMP4AC3_6ch]
"3"=hex:e0,82,ec,00,05,00,00,00,c0,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,40,66,03,01,80,96,98,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,40,06,00,00,d0,07,00,00,01,00,00,00,06,00,00,00,01,00,00,00

Note: Interestingly, the M2TS files created have std Audio and Video headers so there is no need to use the ReMuxPD to standardise the output unlike with the single file creation.

*** Disclaimer - While this just involves a registry change, please make sure you are comfortable with this. It is working for me and others who have tested it but all setups are different so if you dog gets lost or the world ends you have my condolences but you will have to deal with any issues arising. The testing for this has been in this thread - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/30195.page
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I can have a look but would need:
1) A small sample project (use File --> Pack Project Materials then upload somewhere)
2) What "create disc" settings you are using.

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Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Just created a new project in PD12 and dropped a m2ts 3D video file created by Sony HDR-TD10 camea and added it to the time line as is

SVRT reports in red:
AVC 1920x1080/60i (24 Mbps), H264(M), 1920x1080, Frame:29.97, Bitrate 22,500K

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More...

When using Create Disc/3D Disc with disc type as AVCHD then to Memory Stick with the following format, using the USB connector on the Sony 3D DVD player. it plays but there are video artifact around moving objects, Not nice!
Also, the default 3D BluRay title that PD12 crate on the Create Disc/3D Disc, none of the text shows up on the TV, the preview video does.

There are NO artifacts when connecting the Sony HDR-TD10 HMID camera port to the Sony 3D TV...

Here's the setting I selected
Recording format: AVCHD, Widescreen 16:9
Encoding H.264, HD1920x1080/60i (28 Mbps)
Audio Dolby digital, 5.1 channels
3D ouput format: AVCHD 3D

How come PD12 wants to "process" the video and not just generate it as is since it is already in the right format on the timeline??

Sylvain
PS Don't know why PD12 advertise to generate to Removable Disk when it does not, I have a Seagate USB drive connected and it does not offer it in the list of destination device... I also wonder WHY is PD not letting me choose WHERE I want the generation to go, period

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Hi,
I have two external USB Hard drives installed in my system and PD12 writes to them I have one for camcorder files and one for produced files (from Power Director.
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I might ask Dafydd to split these posts to a new thread on 3D specifically as it is not really about 50/60p
Thanks
Nathan

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GoPro Hero3 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Hi Nathan,
I cant split this thread. I'll lock it. Members, please reference back to the data jmone/Nathan has written. If you've experimented with the information, post your queries as a new topic.
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For more information click the links given here:
PowerDirector Video Editor = 2,2.5,3,4,5,5P,6,7,8,9,10,11 Ultimate Suite, Ultimate Suite 2, Director Suite 2.
PowerDirector 12 Image Guides linking image guides on the forum.
Image Editor = One that makes transparent background PNG files is a "must have".
Gif Animation = Creating and converting an animation can give one's video a little "edge".
Check out PowerDVD, PhotoDirector, ColorDirector, AudioDirector & MediaShow
I use the Pixelan plug-ins, (*5) with PowerDirector 12 Click here to visit Pixelan Software.
Started with 8mm splice editing and B&W still image darkroom photography.
Honesty disclosure: CyberLink have provided me their software products at no charge.
 
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