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The little flag, DXDiag and an opinion
vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Online
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Following the constructive mini-debate (http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/22914.page) about the basis and onus on providing good quality information in a willing and responsible way to other members in response to issues raised, I thought the following might be instructive or at least give "pause for thought".

The following video was shot in .mp4 1080p 60 fps 24Mbs on a Sanyo HD2000 and edited using PD10 1424c.
The total length is just over 9 mins.
It has the following effects/enhancements applied, somewhat at random, over the course of the video :
New blue metallic
GPU waterfall
Old camera
A 3d text based title
A 3d particle
Speed increases
2 track Opacity swaps
2 track opacity swaps with speed increase
Sundry transitions

The timeline was doubled up by grouping all clips and then copying and pasting to get 9 mins

Produced with a 1080p 60fps custom profile to trigger SVRT (apparently?)
Produced file size 1.5Gb
Render time 49 mins

No issues occured during the edit, the preview was set at High and was jerky and inconsistent but just about useable, editing was comfortable but occasionally a little slow. At 9 mins it is a typical simple youtube length.

It can be viewed here :
http://youtu.be/ndlKV9olBHM

[Disclaimer - It is the worst video I have ever made, there is no need to watch it all the way through]

The DXDiags for the production system are attached.

My point in this experiment is the DXDiags (upon which much 1st line advice is based) show these key points :

Laptop i5 processor
Win 7 64 bit professional
4Gb RAM
Integrated graphics
64Mb dedicated video memory
8.1 Gb C: drive disc space

(a careful look will also show some GT520M drivers lurking but no specific mention of the 1Gb card - which appears in other tests (http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/22732.page) to be much slower than the integrated graphics and was not used in this experiment)

At a first glance then, should this system be able to load and run PD10 and should (or even could) it be used to edit and produce HD video?

On the basis of the DXDiag, most contributors might well have some serious doubts and express those doubts in more or less stronger terms, but my system did work quite OK, not fast but not slow (maybe equivalent to normal speeds 2 or 3 yrs ago), no issues, PD10 loaded and performed as one might expect.

So, what to say if a poster has a problem with PD loading, or previewing or whatever with a similar spec machine?
Of course, a bigger better system might be more advisable/comfortable/quicker/easier but that, in itself, is by no means certain, there are plenty of muscle systems out there with their fair share of problems.

I have no specific answer - but I am relatively certain, from my own experience, that many of the hardware/software problems aired on the forum cannot be lightly diagnosed by reference to a single or simple tool and often require a greater depth of investigation before a verdict, possibly accompanied by a recommendation for action, should be pronounced.

As a post script, so to speak, Neil (Cubbyhouse) asked for a video of diving in Egypt in the original thread.

http://youtu.be/FNcbJrQff9U This one is from the last time I was there in September 2011.
or
http://youtu.be/wZFD8JN_cwI An unlisted rough edit from diving on a perfect little tropical island in the Philippines in February.

Both shot and edited @720p

Cheers
Adrian




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Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. (see below)
Confucius
AMD Phenom IIX6 1055T, win10, 5 internal drives, 7 usb drives, struggling power supply.
Cranston
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Aug 17, 2007 02:26 Messages: 1667 Offline
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Quote: ...should this system be able to load and run PD10 and should (or even could) it be used to edit and produce HD video?

Do you mean Full HD 1080p video, shot a 60fps? Loaded into a PD10 that’s installed on a i5 laptop, using only its integrated 64MB card, with 008GB of free space available on its C: drive? With multiple tracks, effects, and transitions, also in play?

No comment.
(I may be technically inept. But that hasn't limited my sense of self preservation.)

Thanks for sharing your test and results Adrian.

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babindia
Senior Contributor Location: India Joined: Aug 16, 2007 06:11 Messages: 884 Offline
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Adrian
I perceived a slight stutter while you panned to the right and then to the left;sample video.

Though I agree that a single tool cannot point to the problem it does point towards a general direction which can be taken as a common denominator.

As I had said in the "Little flag being raised" thread though the computer specs are same, the similar or same problem manifests differently, and hence, as you rightly said, the issue is much deeper than what diagdx presents.

It is almost impossible to get exactly identical setup even with exactly matched components due to intrinsic variability.
Perhaps PD 10 is sensitive to these,which I feel it should not, and should have wide latitude to accept these abnormalities.

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garioch7
Senior Contributor Location: Port Hood, Nova Scotia, Canada Joined: Feb 07, 2011 06:45 Messages: 852 Offline
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Adrian: Your points are well taken by me, for sure, and certainly have given me "pause for thought." Your platform does not meet the published minimum specs for what you are trying to do, based on your dxdiag, so had you reported that PD10 would launch or crashed, or just wouldn't render properly, I would have advised you to increase RAM, video RAM, and available primary hard disk space.

As Bab correctly points out, there is obviously variability in what PD10 will accept for a platform, not surprising given that every computer is unique in terms of its hardware configuration and software loaded.

I generally point people to the minimum specs when I respond. I have to assume that Cyberlink is aware of what is required in terms of a platform for PD10 to perform properly. That you have been able to produce without meeting those specs might be considered an anomaly.

I am glad that you have shared the results of your testing with us all. In the end, we are all spending time on this forum to learn and to help others. No one wants to send newbies off to purchase hardware that isn't going to solve their problems. I, for one, will be more careful in how I respond in the future, making it clear that it is only my opinion, based on what I have learned.

Thanks again, Adrian. Have a great day.

Regards,
-Phil Windows 10 Pro x64
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1 TB PCIe -x4 SSD
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PD14 Ultimate x64, 4207
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Bubba in TX
Senior Contributor Location: Central Texas Joined: Dec 12, 2009 21:32 Messages: 1332 Offline
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Until last summer when I went from 32 bit to 64 bit in my machines just to "do" 64 bit, never had any problems with 32 bit with 3 gig of RAM for years, and a Nvidia card with only 640 meg RAM.... I made 1 1/2 hour videos with hundreds of pictures, titles and transitions all the time.... with the entire project rendered in one piece and it never took very long and always looked great.

I saw no great improvement from me going from 32 bit to 64 bit. I did however when I went 64 bit got a good AMD video card with 1tb RAM, and 8 gog system RAM. It did greatly improve my Call of Duty play. I went from having to play in medium resolution to the highest resolution with no frame clipping problems, freezes or anything anymore...

But my biggest question is..... what is all that "green" stuff in your video Adrian? __________________________________________
Windows 8 Pro 64 bit

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**NOTICE**
When you are asked to provide a DXDIAG you go the following link and do part "B". Your posted specs are NOT what we are looking for as they tell us nothing. The specs on the box of your computer mean nothing. The DXDIAG shows us how your computer is configured as it runs.

DXDIAG Link
vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Online
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what is all that "green" stuff in your video Adrian?


I think you might be referring to leaves and grass and stuff?? We have loads over here. One might almost say that it grows on trees.

Cheers
Adrian Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. (see below)
Confucius
AMD Phenom IIX6 1055T, win10, 5 internal drives, 7 usb drives, struggling power supply.
Bubba in TX
Senior Contributor Location: Central Texas Joined: Dec 12, 2009 21:32 Messages: 1332 Offline
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What an amazing concept.... If your favorite color is desert tan, you would LOVE it here.... __________________________________________
Windows 8 Pro 64 bit

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**NOTICE**
When you are asked to provide a DXDIAG you go the following link and do part "B". Your posted specs are NOT what we are looking for as they tell us nothing. The specs on the box of your computer mean nothing. The DXDIAG shows us how your computer is configured as it runs.

DXDIAG Link
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