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This started off as a 4000x2800 image, with no desaturation or filtering. If you want a more muted background, you could simply apply the same filter to each image.

Any of the previously posted frames can be used with this background.

It can be downloaded from here http://www.4shared.com/file/TKWYXGxc/background__beach_.html

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I assume there's no file/folder/subfolder open when you get that error. Does rebooting allow you to rename it?

Sorry - not using XP so it's hard to investigate.

Cheers - Tony

Thanks Tony, rebooting worked

Hi Tony,
You may recall that I used 16:9 images from a collection of stills and they worked - just needed the correct file names etc.

I wonder if you can observe something for me and confirm what I saw.

The movement selection of the background is not fluid - some images only display once (if at all) while others many times. The random nature of the movement negates the need to have a background with so many images. Please can an editor track the movement? It may be a bug or the feature could do with a tweak.

Let me know what you find.

Dafydd

Yes - I recall, Dafydd.

When I started working on modifications, my intention was to make the thing function as PD's standard template did, moving seamlessly through a single image.

I understand that unrelated high res images can be used, but that may not suit all uses. As with 3D, it may be preferable to construct a slideshow "on a theme" (i.e. over an image related to the photos) or on a nondescript textural background.

Using unrelated hi res images might distract from the foreground photos & become a foreground on a foreground.

All of the above is just a matter of preference. Not right or wrong.

Re: Order of transition from one background image to the other. Aside from always beginning with "0 bk11", the starting point and movement path are completely random... except that it always moves from one image to an adjacent one.

See attachment - same images - random transition through background. About 3x speed, to avoid boredom.

True - in a shortish slideshow, some backgrounds are not displayed, & it's impossible to predict which!

Using less than the required 16 background images causes PD to "stop working".

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Hi Tony,
"All of the above is just a matter of preference. Not right or wrong. " , no problem, completely agree.

When I used my backgrounds and they were "different", I was able to track the movement more easily - I used 110 images in a slideshow. There appeared less of a rotational movement than what should be.

I would not use less than 16 - merely duplicate some since the rotation isn't that accurate.

In PD6 I use to replace the slideshow background with information of what was showing - using the graphic to create a titled introduction Ahhhh, Those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end.... We'd sing and...

Hi Tony,
Thanks for the video, much the same as what I knew.

The point I'm making is: A rotation through the various background images is OK so long as it picks them all. If a background image repeats the viewer will notice a small group reappearing (Example: 16, 17, 20 and 21) and a block of edge backgrounds only appearing once. When I tracked the route taken - it was disappointing and I felt could be improved.

If you're happy, that's ok. I just observed an area which could be presented better.

This is developing into a 2-way conversation

Dafydd -

In the rotation through images, there does tend to be a slight weighting on the "central" sections. It's random, but certainly not even distribution.



In two 15 minute slideshows (165 images each), the background shifted through the following patterns:

Slideshow 1 (max images = 4)
19 15 16 12 13 14 18 22 21 20 19 23 24 20 21 22 26 25 21 20
24 23 19 20 21 17 16 15 19 20 24 23 19 15 11 12 13 14 18 22
26 25 21 17 13 12 11 15 16 20 21 22 26 25 21 17 13 12 11 15
19 23 24 25 21 17 13 12 16 20 21 22

Slideshow 2 (max images = 3)
19 23 24 20 19 15 11 12 13 14 18 22 21 17 18 14 13 17 18 22
26 25 21 20 24 25 26 22 21 17 16 20 19 23 24 25 21 22 18 17
21 20 24 25 21 20 16 17 18 22 21 17 16 15 11 12 13 14 18 22
21 20 16 15 11 12 16 17 18 22 26 25 21 17 13 14 18 22 26 25
24 20 19 15 11 12 16 15 19 20 21 17 16

Frequency of Occurrence:
(to the pedants - sorry about the missing r in the image)


Observations:
1. Sometimes short sections of the rotation pattern are repeated
2. The weighting given to "central" images (20, 21) is less obvious when using a divided background (like the standard template).
3. Unrelated background images create a more disjointed/less fluid appearance.

Cheers - Tony

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Tony, when did you get the time to analyse that? Brilliant Absolutely brilliant.

It is what I noted and with less interconnected sectional images far more noticeable.

The fringe images do get missed.

You really have made me smile - wow.

Thanks

Dafydd

It's nice to make people smile!



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Always a pleasure to watch your illustrations, Tony!

If I dare to reveal my opinion, it will be:

I am planning to redecorate (paint) my kitchen.

1. Different backgrounds: I go down in my cellar to find the leftovers of paint I have, various colours, and start painting.

2. Same background: I decide what colour I want, go to the shop and get that.


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Hi,
The kitchen scenario appears quite pointless and a distraction to say the least.

The ability to alter and create ones own backgrounds is the important part here in this thread. The type of background available to an editor depends upon their skill level and what they're able to do. Both Tony and I are able to create backgrounds of either sectional images or ones with full resolution originals. We have both mapped (Tony has analysed significantly more) the rotational movement of the slideshow's background selection, this is the point which is much more prominent and noticeable in whole image backgrounds.

Adding a little more. A background sectional image of 800x600 pixels is less attractive for 1980x1080 HD resolution video. Any method to improve resolution should be looked at. Many editors complain of blurry images and a 800x600 would appear on some screens as blurry.

The choice is not what you have as a background or which method you prefer, but the fact you can make your own.

Oh dear, accept my appology for interupting
your 2-way conversation/discussion.....
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Nina,
Have you tried to create either of the methods, to make your own backgrounds? When you do, please give feedback. I'm sure both Tony and I would like to read about your experiences as well as all editors on the forum.

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Hi,

Well, I'm not a slideshow-kinda girl.
In 3-4 years, I have probably used 20 seconds of slideshows, as bits in video.
But since the moderator shows an interest for me to try it out for the background, and also
is of the opinion it might have interest for others, I give you 2 backgrounds.
It wasn't my intent to spend time with this today, but again; why not?

To make a fluid background (which is the kind I would prefer most)- you would be
best off by using image(s) of a "calm", constant texture, - like sand, sky, grass, rock etc.
It's avoiding the hard edges abut that will be the thing to work on.
I guess it really comes down to how much work you want to give it. Maybe, if one adapts some
kind of rutine it will fall more in to order when taking out the bits of an image and which should
succed which image. Again, not being a slideshow enthusiast, I'm not inclined to have a
deep and thorough learningcurve on the matter.

I followed Tony's recipe with 17 background images.
I made one set with a rust-image. Not very smooth and calm surface, so here you'll get the edges clearly.
I haven't gone to the trouble of tossing them around, but feel free to try.
The other one has maybe a better display with not so hard edges.
For now, this is the time I'll spend on this ....
My interest is not deep enough to "track routes" etc.

I have downloaded Tony's excellent sand-background








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How could someone divide the original image into 16 equal parts?

Hi,

I suppose we go about this in different ways.
I had images with rather large resolution (3-4 Mb)
and used grids to move around to the selections.

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I think Dafydd mentioned once a software that actually does that. No doubt a teensy little bit of code someone wrote sometime, but someone needed it, so somebody wrote it. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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You are correct, Mr Crab! http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/17146.page#86920

I'm yet to find such a piece of software, but the maths bit of my brain still works OK.

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Barry wrote

I think Dafydd mentioned once a software that actually does that.

Just being curious, I've searched for "a teensy" soft that can do that, and a few are
listed. Don't know how each and every work. Some seem to be older stuff.
Maybe someone has tried this?

Edit: on second thought I removed the link. Probably considered as advertising.


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